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post Aug 28 2008, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(Onion-KiD @ Aug 27 2008, 10:47 PM)
other brand 22" LCD will be cheaper or choose HP lcd which is don have BrightView technology
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for those who interested to get entry level 19" monitor, check out the review here:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/...inch-12_14.html
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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Aug 27 2008, 06:54 PM)
If you do happen to call HP again, try asking how much would the s-pva 22" cost could you please?
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Hi i just saw they updated the page for the new HP 22'' listed under business monitors as RM$ 1,906




HP LP2275w 22-inch Widescreen LCD Monitor

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/my/en/sm/WF...67-3648453.html



It doesn't seem to have hdmi listed in its connectivity, however it has DVI ans also display port. Hdmi was never meant for computers anyway, also you could use a dvi to hdmi cable if you really needed the connectivity.

Display port graphics cards will be main stream hopefully next year nod.gif

I will see if i can find some reviews for you if i see any.


update:

Found some info here

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp...essage=29063041


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This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 28 2008, 12:20 AM
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 27 2008, 07:56 PM)
I went to HP shop to ask about w2207h price.I see very expensive RM 1288
I don't know where else I can find any cheaper than it.I heard got new model same as w2207h , what model is it any cheaper ?
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HP W2228H ....

RM1070.... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Aug 28 2008, 12:19 AM)
Hi i just saw they updated the page for the new HP 22'' listed under business monitors as RM$ 1,906
HP LP2275w 22-inch Widescreen LCD Monitor

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/my/en/sm/WF...67-3648453.html
It doesn't seem to have hdmi listed in its connectivity, however it has DVI ans also display port. Hdmi was never meant for computers anyway, also you could use a dvi to hdmi cable if you really needed the connectivity.

Display port graphics cards will be main stream hopefully next year  nod.gif

I will see if i can find some reviews for you if i see any.
update:

Found some info here

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp...essage=29063041
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That price is pretty steep. Considering my laptop cant drive games at high resolution, the only thing I'd consider doing with the monitor is movies and webpages. Of course, a normal TN would do fine for such, but never hurts looking for other options.

Honestly, at this price for a 22", I'd be looking for a 32" LCD TV, those things has low reso, but my movies aren't HD neither. The monitor is attractive for the panel, but RM2000? It's priced at $400 in the US, do the math youself, doesn't take exactly RM600 to fly a monitor here from US or China is it? Had it been $400 and converted properly, it would be in the shopping list of many people here.

Anyhoo, thanks for the info.

This post has been edited by kaiserreich: Aug 28 2008, 01:03 AM
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I just found this


NEW! DELL™ 24" FULL HD WIDE SCREEN FLAT PANEL MONITOR (S2409W)

ONLINE PRICE
RM1,099*
After RM400 Instant Cash Redemption
(Delivery Included)
E-Value Code: R142409SWMY-WEB

• Max Resolution: 1920 x 1080
• 3-Year Next Business Day
Advanced Exchange* Service

http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/c...dhs1&l=en&s=dhs



I found a review of it here

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum...141ec3d283db411


Anyway sounds to me like the best of the best doesn't seem too important to you ? Well this is a cheap affordable TN panel doh.gif

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Pros
*HDCP certification
*Tested no dead pixel
*No banding issue with colour
*Alot of settings for colours and input type
*Non native resolution still looks sharp
*Fast respond time no lag in gaming
*Quite acurate colour reproduction after tuning
*Able to select input type to component in (open possibility to use component to vga cable, from ps2, wii, xbox, dvd player etc)
*HDMI carries analog sound signal
*Sound input and output option
*Superb price for 1080p Full hd panel at 16x9
*Nice button layout and responsive keys
*Individual input saved menu setting each
*Free dvi and rgb cable
*Unoticeable backlight bleeding
*Vesa compliance can be mounted

Cons
*No 1.1 pixel mapping
*Mirror finish border dust magnet
*No component video input when it support it
*Base non pivoltable
*No HDMI cable included
*1920x1080 for pc gaming , need decent pc specs.


Conclusion
After testing this unit, i realise some tuning needed before u can start enjoying this panel.The preset
is really not up to my satisfactory comparing to my samsung 2232bw i owned, but once i set to custom
rgb colour everything just looks alright, brightness and contrast is well enough, still no samsung,lol
But it does have really fast response time being a tn panel, what really suprise me is there is hardly close to
no banding issue, and backlight bleeding on my received panel. Lucky me hhehehehe~
Going through everyday use on pc i have found 16x9 ratio actually more comfortable for me, because i tends to have
alot of media uses the ratio, hence fullscreen goodness. While on console end, i have a blast playing metal gear solid 4 in full hd,1080p glore
its very enjoyable, decent colors and brightness really makes it a ideal choice for those with limited budget for large lcdtv(3 for price of 1 in my country).
The Dell 2409W combines a stylish housing, and great features such as HDCP compatibility on its DVI port,component support on rgb/dvi port,
with very impressive image quality. It’s a combination that means that it wins my heart and should well deserve a award IMHO.



Specs
DISPLAY
Panel Size:
24"
Optimal Resolution:
1920 X 1080
Contrast Ratio:
1000:1 (typical)
Brightness:
300 cd/m2 (typical)
Response Time:
5 ms (grey-to-grey)
Viewing Angle:
160° / 170° (typical)
Color Support:
16.7 million colors
Pixel Pitch:
0.276 mm CONNECTIVITY
Digital Visual Interface - Digital (DVI-D) with High Definition Content Protection (HDCP) Video Graphics Array (VGA)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
STAND
Tilt and built-in cable management BUILT-IN DEVICES
None

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SECURITY
Kensington® security port (cable lock sold separately) COLOR, SIZE AND WEIGHT
Dimensions (W x D x H):
22.72 inches (576.96 mm) x 8.76 inches (222.6 mm) x 16.39 inches (416.19 mm)
Weight:
8.6 kg (18.83 lb)
Color:
Black




Imho i would suggest you skip 19'' and go straight for either 22'' or 24'' because of the affordability after prices have dropped since last time. The main determining factor at the moment for these 2 sizes is the panel type.

Cheapest to expensive is as follows TN < PVA < IPS


If you can get a good PVA for slightly more then a TN, do it. You won't reget. For IPS the price spikes up much higher so you maybe not something you need since you aren't too picky like me laugh.gif

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 28 2008, 01:05 AM
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QUOTE([fr33dom�)
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HP W2228H ....

RM1070.... thumbup.gif
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where can I find ?
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Hi Guys,

I'm deciding between Samsung Syncmaster 2253W and ViewSonic VX2262wm/p. Any comments on these monitors? Need recommendations from experts here please.

Thanks,
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want to ask a quick question ,
i got a ps3 now ,
any good 19"ws lcd come with hdmi input?
budget rm800
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Aug 28 2008, 01:01 AM)
I just found this
NEW! DELL™ 24" FULL HD WIDE SCREEN FLAT PANEL MONITOR (S2409W)

ONLINE PRICE
RM1,099*
After RM400 Instant Cash Redemption
(Delivery Included)
E-Value Code: R142409SWMY-WEB

•  Max Resolution: 1920 x 1080
•  3-Year Next Business Day
Advanced Exchange* Service

http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/c...dhs1&l=en&s=dhs
I found a review of it here

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum...141ec3d283db411
Anyway sounds to me like the best of the best doesn't seem too important to you ? Well this is a cheap affordable TN panel doh.gif
Imho i would suggest you skip 19'' and go straight for either 22'' or 24'' because of the affordability after prices have dropped since last time. The main determining factor at the moment for these 2 sizes is the panel type.

Cheapest to expensive is as follows TN < PVA < IPS
If you can get a good PVA for slightly more then a TN, do it. You won't reget. For IPS the price spikes up much higher so you maybe not something you need since you aren't too picky like me  laugh.gif
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Great price from dell.RM1099 included delivery?

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QUOTE(csfeeder @ Aug 28 2008, 01:00 PM)
want to ask a quick question ,
i got a ps3 now ,
any good 19"ws lcd come with hdmi input?
budget rm800
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but bro u'll only get 1080 HD only in 24" and above... below that the resolutions are not 1080HD quality..
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So far I only seen one user here reviewed on the new Dell S2409W, we need more reviews about the pros and cons of this cheap but seemingly great deal monitor!
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actually how big difference between TN < PVA < IPS ???

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LCD prices kept coming down and down... hahaha.... I would wait for a couple more months.....then would buy a bigger LCD with current $$$.
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QUOTE(minghao @ Aug 28 2008, 01:19 PM)
Great price from dell.RM1099 included delivery?
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Yes, is included. I just purchased this LCD at RM1160 with add on 2 years warranty, so together is 5 years. Order at Monday then today receive the sms noticed that will be ship to me tomorrow, just can't wait. smile.gif
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QUOTE(00007kel @ Aug 28 2008, 01:23 PM)
but bro u'll only get 1080 HD only in 24" and above... below that the resolutions are not 1080HD quality..
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Just to reclarify. 24'' and higher usually have 1900x1200 native resolution which is the resolution of 1080p High Definition videos.

There are some 22'' that have 1900x1200 however they are few and rare. Most of the 22'' are 1680x1050 native resolution.

30'' are usually 2000x resolution which is very taxing for graphics card, so i wouldn't recommend anything higher then 26'' because they use higher resolutions that required dual graphics cards setups doh.gif


TN ( Cheap to make and good for gaming because it is the least laggy, and has lowest input lag out of the 3 different lcd panel types. However the color is crap as tn panels are 6bit using FRC. )

S-PVA = better quality then TN, however input lag and latency is higher. At the moment some S-PVA is at an acceptable input lag and latecny which makes it good enough for gamings. However some bad S-PVA are like the Dell 2408 which is too laggy to be used for gaming. This is more expensive then TN.

S-IPS = This is better than S-PVA as its better in colors and also has better input lag and latency. It's almost as fast as TN.

H-IPS = a newer version then S-IPS and surparses it.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 28 2008, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(Siu_Keong @ Aug 28 2008, 04:12 PM)
Yes, is included. I just purchased this LCD at RM1160 with add on 2 years warranty, so together is 5 years. Order at Monday then today receive the sms noticed that will be ship to me tomorrow, just can't wait.  smile.gif
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hey... i also same with u.. order on monday and today receive sms the item will arrive tomorrow btw 9am - 2pm...
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QUOTE(blackorange @ Aug 28 2008, 04:49 PM)
hey... i also same with u.. order on monday and today receive sms the item will arrive tomorrow btw 9am - 2pm...
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Ya, i also received the same sms. Hopefully they can make it since i will back hometown at Saturday. All the best to us. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Aug 28 2008, 04:19 PM)
Just to reclarify. 24'' and higher usually have 1900x1200 native resolution which is the resolution of 1080p High Definition videos.

There are some 22'' that have 1900x1200 however they are few and rare. Most of the 22''  are 1680x1050 native resolution.

30'' are usually 2000x resolution which is very taxing for graphics card, so i wouldn't recommend anything higher then 26'' because they use higher resolutions that required dual graphics cards setups doh.gif
TN ( Cheap to make and good for gaming because it is the least laggy, and has lowest input lag out of the 3 different lcd panel types. However the color is crap as tn panels are 6bit using FRC. )

S-PVA = better quality then TN, however input lag and latency is higher. At the moment some S-PVA is at an acceptable input lag and latecny which makes it good enough for gamings. However some bad S-PVA are like the Dell 2408 which is too laggy to be used for gaming. This is more expensive then TN.

S-IPS = This is better than S-PVA as its better in colors and also has better input lag and latency. It's almost as fast as TN.

H-IPS = a newer version then S-IPS and surparses it.
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Interesting read. But how would we know which monitors use which type of displays? smile.gif

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just wondering does the 2408 input lag is too horrible? will it affect me when playing dota hmm.. its only ard 20-40ms right?
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QUOTE(-vip3rleon9- @ Aug 28 2008, 10:04 PM)
Interesting read. But how would we know which monitors use which type of displays? smile.gif
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Normally, i will judge those panel from the Max. Viewing Angle and Color Gamut. For TN panel, normally viewing angle will be 160 or 170 for the vertical or horizontal. For the Color Gamut, normally the TN panel can't have high % due to the it using 6 bit and the S-IPS is using 8 bit. Anyway this all imho only, i think some shifu here can explain more detail. thumbup.gif

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