@ TS,

Your payslip also confirms if your ACTUAL earnings are as per say, and also if you are EVEN employed by your current company.

So there is a good number of reasons why they ask for it. Also if they are asking for it, don't you think they will contact your current company too?

Please go ahead and do so and come back in two months time to update us.



"This act can only be performed by skilled professional, people in front of the screen should not follow"

This post has been edited by KLsooner: Jun 18 2008, 12:46 PM

If not found out...then this is damn smart move

If found out,...this is just plain stupid

Employee beware.

True

My father used to told me a story about a guy who fake an ACCA cert and work in a Bank for 10+ years, reaching managerial position, one day management discovered that his ACCA actually fake.

He was fired on the spot.

People hates dishonest people.

Even 10yrs later they stil check on the certificates? Huh but what about pay slip? Do they still check it after a few years later?

Firstly, to TS: Why fake anything? If you want to provide info, make sure it's true. If you have some info that's unfavourable to you, then simply don't provide. To defraud or mislead is wrong, even illegal - to omit or refuse to answer is not.

Secondly, I don't believe in providing previous salary slips to future employers. Why do they want to know how much I was paid previously? If they want to hire me to do a job that pays $10,000 market rate, will they now offer me only $7000 if my salary slip shows that I earned $5000 previously? Or will they offer me $10,000 only if my previous salary was $8000 and above? If they want $10,000 of effort and skills from me, why shouldn't they pay me $10,000 even though I was paid only $5000 previously?

As someone mentioned, what purpose does knowing the hiree's previous salary serve, apart from being an excuse to underpay him below the market rate? Isn't more important to verify that this person has the education, skills, aptitude and experience to do job?

Pay me what the job is worth, regardless of what I was paid previously. A company that sets a new employee's salary based on +xx% over what the chap's previous salary, simply shows that it has no idea what its pay positions are vs the market. A company like that is demotivating and demeaning to work for because you will often find that you're doing exactly the same quantity and quality of work as your peers but each of you draws a different salary simply because your starting salaries (fudged on each individual's previous salaries) are all over the place.

Having said that, I always indirectly inform a prospective employer what my current salary is, by telling them how much they have to potentially pay me if they want me to come for an interview. I always give a number that represents my current package + 1 promotion. That's the minimum because I don't want to waste time attending interviews at companies that won't or can't even pay me enough to attract me away from than my current employer.

Thirdly, contrary to many of you folks (it seems), I work for a company that will not disclose my confidential personal details - and that includes my remuneration details etc. HR will confirm my previous employment with them and if necessary, provide a broad job scope - but no detailed information. If they call my former boss directly, on the other hand, it will of course be up to his personal discretion what and how much to say. But it will not be corroborated officially by HR.

HR asking for payslip is to verify that u r a staff of ur current company and to test ur honesty only...not about salary negotiation (this is what explained by them when i asked them y)......becoz der r still many other benefits which are outside of the payslip that u can create to jack ur expected package (this is from my personal experience, hehe).....

u'll need to sign consent letter in order for the HR to vet on your previous employment (i recently sign one). The HR explained that if you never sign a consent letter and that company does a vet on u, it is deemed illegal for the company.

btw, i have frens working as HR person, they will not disclose on your salary. They will answer yes or no when asked.

Assuming since u ask this kinda question, i presume that your experiences is not that professional and your current work is nothing to beproud of.

In view of that presumption, you can try to fake ur payslip (altho im wondering what kinda technology you have to do a fake payslip).

Further, in your profession, i dun think u have a reputattion to spoilt to begin with. so why not try it out. let me know if u get thru,k??
Go for it!!!

and ur question "Isit ethical?". Tell me one situation lying about employment is ethical??

got ask for payslip for interviews ah? never encounter that b4...

hi hybz. i tot u can print ur own payslip at home?

i will choose credential rather than a few hundred increment!

Normally MNC would request to view your original payslip and keep photocopy for reference...
Some will ask you bring your ex company offer letter too

I suppose you're referring yourself
I know you got access to make any kind of payslip and govt form

Depends on which MNC, I guess.

Mine wasn't interested in viewing nor keeping my old payslips. They just told me $x,xxx is their salary range for this job etc.

This post has been edited by seantang: Jun 19 2008, 11:06 AM

very much i agreed with your points. well said. i'm always in the same thinking as you. it's sad but a fact that prospective company's HR will 'always' ask for current payslip. if all employers were to offer you without looking at your current pay, i'm sure all of us will be very happy to quote so-called 'market price'. imagine i have worked for my current employer for 5 years and my pay is only 20% jump in 2 years say RM2,400 (RM2,000 + RM400). based on market price, i should be offerred RM4,000 or more. that's 'wow'! i can expect a mess if everyone is doing that.

I recently turned down a job offer exactly because the company's HR just added 20% on top of my current pay. I questioned her back by asking her if I'm underpaid in my current job that means I'll be underpaid when I accept their job offer. The HR just kept quiet after that.

Seriously, do a survey on the market price before you accept any job offers; I have some colleagues earning less than RM3k with 5 years working experience in relevant field.

Even if you and the employer do not agree on the 'market price'... then at least make sure you get the pay that the job is classified at internally within the company.

Most companies if they are well organised and/or large enough, will utilise a concept called job-sizing. Each job in the company will have a job scope and a list of required qualifications and skills/aptitudes. And according to each job's scope and requirements - it will be sized. Each job size will tied to a salary level within the company.

So if you apply for a job which job scope is sized at level 5 (which their HR has tied to salary level 5 ie. $5,000), then make sure you get an offer of at least $5,000. If they offer you less than $5,000, then make sure your new job scope (and therefore accountabilities) is less than your peer colleagues in your new company, who are doing level 5 jobs and getting paid level 5 salaries.

If the new company's HR is not transparent with their job sizing and salary slotting practices, then it's back to square one... 'market rates'.

If I am HR I will ask you back:
If you think you are underpaid, why are you accepting the job offer for your current job at first place?
or
If you think you are underpaid, why don't you raise it out with your company ?

PS: Is it underpaid+20% still underpaid? I thinks is depends to situation.

Haha bingo, I answered the same set of questions before

"If you think you are underpaid, why are you accepting the job offer for your current job at first place? "
- Its my first job, gaining experience is far more important than the figure printed on my payslip. I know the market price for the position I'm applying for and I know my qualifications very well.

To be frank, I was earning RM2k previously. I wrote RM3.2k as my expected salary for the job offer and the HR called up and told me I'm expecting waaay too much. I attended the interview, and with my experience I manage to bargain from RM2.5k up to close to RM3k.

(1st job) RM2000 -> (2nd job) RM2800+; too bad I have higher offers that does not bother how much I earn on my previous job. To answer you, RM2000 + 20% is still severely underpaid if you ask me.

wah incredible this also can ar ?

The HR called and told me I'm requesting too much, but its the project manager who interviewed me and he was the one who thinks that I do deserve the pay I'm requesting for. In the end it is still up to how well you sell yourself, and how close does your working experience matches their needs. For me, I know what cards I have on my deck and I'd played them well.

p.s. I don't even have to fake my payslip But to be frank I never like to talk to HR people