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seantang
post Jun 18 2008, 06:13 PM

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Firstly, to TS: Why fake anything? If you want to provide info, make sure it's true. If you have some info that's unfavourable to you, then simply don't provide. To defraud or mislead is wrong, even illegal - to omit or refuse to answer is not.

Secondly, I don't believe in providing previous salary slips to future employers. Why do they want to know how much I was paid previously? If they want to hire me to do a job that pays $10,000 market rate, will they now offer me only $7000 if my salary slip shows that I earned $5000 previously? Or will they offer me $10,000 only if my previous salary was $8000 and above? If they want $10,000 of effort and skills from me, why shouldn't they pay me $10,000 even though I was paid only $5000 previously?

As someone mentioned, what purpose does knowing the hiree's previous salary serve, apart from being an excuse to underpay him below the market rate? Isn't more important to verify that this person has the education, skills, aptitude and experience to do job?

Pay me what the job is worth, regardless of what I was paid previously. A company that sets a new employee's salary based on +xx% over what the chap's previous salary, simply shows that it has no idea what its pay positions are vs the market. A company like that is demotivating and demeaning to work for because you will often find that you're doing exactly the same quantity and quality of work as your peers but each of you draws a different salary simply because your starting salaries (fudged on each individual's previous salaries) are all over the place.

Having said that, I always indirectly inform a prospective employer what my current salary is, by telling them how much they have to potentially pay me if they want me to come for an interview. I always give a number that represents my current package + 1 promotion. That's the minimum because I don't want to waste time attending interviews at companies that won't or can't even pay me enough to attract me away from than my current employer.

Thirdly, contrary to many of you folks (it seems), I work for a company that will not disclose my confidential personal details - and that includes my remuneration details etc. HR will confirm my previous employment with them and if necessary, provide a broad job scope - but no detailed information. If they call my former boss directly, on the other hand, it will of course be up to his personal discretion what and how much to say. But it will not be corroborated officially by HR.
seantang
post Jun 19 2008, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(Hybz @ Jun 19 2008, 10:45 AM)
Normally MNC would request to view your original payslip and keep photocopy for reference...
Some will ask you bring your ex company offer letter too smile.gif

Depends on which MNC, I guess.

Mine wasn't interested in viewing nor keeping my old payslips. They just told me $x,xxx is their salary range for this job etc.

This post has been edited by seantang: Jun 19 2008, 11:06 AM
seantang
post Jun 19 2008, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(callmepaper @ Jun 19 2008, 11:26 AM)
very much i agreed with your points. well said. i'm always in the same thinking as you. it's sad but a fact that prospective company's HR will 'always' ask for current payslip. if all employers were to offer you without looking at your current pay, i'm sure all of us will be very happy to quote so-called 'market price'. imagine i have worked for my current employer for 5 years and my pay is only 20% jump in 2 years say RM2,400 (RM2,000 + RM400). based on market price, i should be offerred RM4,000 or more. that's 'wow'! i can expect a mess if everyone is doing that.

Even if you and the employer do not agree on the 'market price'... then at least make sure you get the pay that the job is classified at internally within the company.

Most companies if they are well organised and/or large enough, will utilise a concept called job-sizing. Each job in the company will have a job scope and a list of required qualifications and skills/aptitudes. And according to each job's scope and requirements - it will be sized. Each job size will tied to a salary level within the company.

So if you apply for a job which job scope is sized at level 5 (which their HR has tied to salary level 5 ie. $5,000), then make sure you get an offer of at least $5,000. If they offer you less than $5,000, then make sure your new job scope (and therefore accountabilities) is less than your peer colleagues in your new company, who are doing level 5 jobs and getting paid level 5 salaries.

If the new company's HR is not transparent with their job sizing and salary slotting practices, then it's back to square one... 'market rates'.

seantang
post Jun 25 2008, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(SPS @ Jun 23 2008, 04:55 PM)
That is not true.  Would-be employers have the right to ask to view a potential employee's pay slip - the caveat being the employee also has the right to refuse to show it and it is up to the discretion of the employer whether they wish to employ the person or not.

Exactly.

You have the right to ask your gf to show you her tits, but it's entirely up to her whether she does so or not. Depending on her response, you make the decision whether to keep her or look for a new gf.

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seantang
post Jun 29 2008, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(huix @ Jun 29 2008, 12:48 PM)
Many of us are too innocent to think that the HR department in the million dollars company can be con by your simply fake payslip..... they are professional to deal with this kind of HR matter. Simple, they give u an offer letter, on the first day of work, they ask you to give them your EBF statement, or your bank account statement for the last 3 months, u can kiss your new job goodbye while you already say goodbye to your ex-company.

Btw, I am in MNC and we practice this as set by HR...sometimes, there are rules set by HR even CEO need to follow that.
I'm in MNC too, and it's nothing like yours. Does yours want credit card statements and blood tests too?

EPF and bank account statements are P&C, and the company has NO RIGHT (without your consent anyway) to demand that you furnish these documents to them. That's because these statements may contain P&C information not related to your employment by that company.

Like 2HK said, you can always refuse.

 

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