A call to the candidate's previous employer HR department will suffice. That goes for referral checks as well.

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Added on June 18, 2008, 11:13 amThere's no such thing.



This post has been edited by SPS: Jun 18 2008, 11:13 AM

It's quite simple actually, I'll scan that payslip, then email it to the HR department's Manager to ask if the payslip genuine. Does the company not have the right to question the authenticity of a document given?

Professionalism is dead nowdays.

Who knows what other info they might share?

You might as well say that integrity amongst employees is dead or dying.

Checking a candidate's previous employer's pay is by no means unprofessional and is standard corporate practise globally.

Faking or lying about past compensation is unacceptable no matter how you look at it.

Sorry, salary wise is strictly P&C for me - not even my boss will know how much I'm getting paid.

They can call up my reference to ask about my work, job scope, performance etc. Can ask for salary also but I will not volunteer that information to them - they should pay me competitively. If they think I'm asking for too much then feel free not to hire me.

I'm sorry but the lack of professionalism is ticking me off. I thought only employees under job agency hv to endure this nonsense- they want to make as much money as possible from you so they sotong ur salary.

*edit : typo

This post has been edited by Syd G: Jun 18 2008, 11:35 AM

From reading several of the postings in this thread, some forummers (pressumably the younger set) seem to be shocked that there are such things as pay and referral checks in the corporate workplace.

Welcome to the real world - there's no free lunch.

You don't put down your pay from your previous company in the application form? What if the interviewer asks?

eh, could it possible that your manager also do not know your salary? hmm.... how long you have been working already?

LOL, are you even working? The hiring manager i.e. the boss should he/she hires the job candidate, he has to agree to the pay and compensation and negotiates with the candidate accordingly - have you ever been hired before?

All employers will certainly ask for a job candidate's current or past salary - and it is their right and privilege to check with your previous employer for authencity's sake.

smallbug, I dont even put down 'religion', 'race' and my parents' name and profession. Especially my mother's name.

In America it's even illegal to ask for marital status and age.

If the interviewer ask, I'll ask back.. "how will the information be useful to you?"

Based on previous experiences, they either dont know how the market rate and doesnt wanna overpay you or just want to test your integrity.

If they really wanna test my integrity then I can give them all the numbers of my previous bosses for them to call up

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Added on June 18, 2008, 11:47 amSorry, I meant immediate supervisor or people who dont know the information beforehand. Manager n HR person, thats different story

Dont get me wrong, SPS. I'm a big fan of background checks.

This post has been edited by Syd G: Jun 18 2008, 11:47 AM

Background checks with regards to past salaries, qualifications and work experience are part and parcel of today's work environment anywhere in the world.

Just accept it if you want to get hired.

if its even illegal to ask for age, how do they know that you are underage? sorry, might be a noob question. But i think there are some company that give marital bonus or something. So far i have been to the interview, and there are some time that i forgot to put my family member name, and they ask me to put it in, it think its for some emergency purpose. correct me if im wrong since im just new to this working environment.

These are the results of a badly managed country. Ethics cannot pay for food, money does. When push comes to shove, I think the desperate ones are trying to survive.

Having said that, this case I assume was to enable him to sustain his current lifestyle without having to sacrifice, which I believe is wrong. There is no such thing as this, when the this is a global effect of oil price increase.

The brain drain is unavoidable. The good ones will leave the country for greener pasture, and all will be left is this kind of people, directly or indirectly. That is why nobody realised that the brain drain is so serious.

Wonder why these days employers says the workers are not what they used to be? Brain dumps for certification like MCSE or CCNA, no true skill, only theories applied.

They can ask "Are over the age of 18?"
http://www.hrworld.com/features/30-intervi...estions-111507/

Emergency details are fine.

I've been asked to fill up details of my mom, dad and siblings - their age, occupation and where they're stuying/working. I often leave them empty.

In Malaysia, employers requesting for marital status and age of employees is not an illegal act.

If candidates are not happy with this arrangement, suggest that they work in a country where employers generally do not ask such questions.

Contrary to what a foummer here has stated with regards to the point that asking a candidate's age is an illegal act in the US, according to US Federal law, as spelled out in the Age Discrimination in Employment Act, it does not prohibit an employer from asking an applicant's age or date of birth. Federal law allows an employer to ask your age or date of birth if there is a legitimate reason for them to ask for that information -- such as to perform background checks or for identification purposes.

The age bias act clearly states that ''requests for age information will be closely scrutinized to make sure that the inquiry was made for a lawful purpose," rather than for the purpose of discriminating against potential hires based on age.

Aiyo don't compare Western countries to Malaysia la.

Anyway on the semi-related context of qualifications, my aunt recently fired a new hiree cos he faked his degree credentials. Thing is, her company (big MNC) HR does not have a policy to check qualifications -- it's only cos she suspected him (cos he dunno anything) that she forced HR to check.

Furthermore the company I work in (Bank MNC), I know for a fact from contacts in HR that they don't check either.

So uh ... is it standard market practice to not check authenticity of qualifications?

Apparently

I agree whole-heartedly with your remark regarding ethics or the lack of it in Malaysia.

The brain drain is indeed very serious - the standard and quality of the pool of hirees available to Malaysian-based companies is far lower compared to those even from as recently as a decade ago.

Although I am no longer working in Malaysia, I have friends and relatives in their capacitiies as hiring managers will occasionally moan about the drastic drop in available talent and experience for their various fields of employment.

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Added on June 18, 2008, 12:14 pmIf HR and hiring managers do not bother to check, that is their own perogative.

Bear in mind that that is their choice and privilege - hence, if a hiree has been telling fibs about his or her credentials and previous pay, there is always a risk that the employer will do a snap check.

This post has been edited by SPS: Jun 18 2008, 12:14 PM

That is another indirect reason as mentioned by me on regarding the brain drain. Modern HR personnel does pratice this kind of background checking. The HR ones that does not improve are the ones working for a long time and does not know this kind of pratice being done. You know what they do? They monitor your clock-in and clock-out time, keep track of your annual leaves and MC, give you warning if you are late, etc.

Jesus, those are old HR pratice already. The modern ones focuses on how to retain employees by providing better benefits, working with vendors to provide continous training for the workers to sharpen thiers skillset, fighting for better benefits suchs as higher EPF contribution, etc.

I'm not from HR and I know this kind of stuff.

Kena tangkap that time, you'll be embaressed. Just for few hundreds extra, you lose your face infront of everyone.

Talking about coming in work late, I know a few big companies the HR staffs are useless idiots. From what I heard, there were only 3 staffs in the HR room. Yea, only 3 people handle everything? That is why they don't even bother to check who comes in late and etc. Some with tidak-apa-attitude. These are private companies, government should be much stricter. I think they should hire more people in the HR department, don't know save cost or what shit. This is very unfair seriously.