QUOTE(smallbug @ Jun 18 2008, 11:08 AM)
Yes, I thought salary details were P and C. Rest of details like job designation / scope they can ask.
i also think so. i damn hate it whenever they ask me for such details
QUOTE(Syd G @ Jun 18 2008, 11:34 AM)
Sorry, salary wise is strictly P&C for me - not even my boss will know how much I'm getting paid.
They can call up my reference to ask about my work, job scope, performance etc. Can ask for salary also but I will not volunteer that information to them - they should pay me competitively. If they think I'm asking for too much then feel free not to hire me.
I'm sorry but the lack of professionalism is ticking me off. I thought only employees under job agency hv to endure this nonsense- they want to make as much money as possible from you so they sotong ur salary.
*edit : typo
^5!
i never fill in those areas and just tell them how many ppl in my family only.
i refuse to give my exact home address too. only the location. what for give all the personal details for them?
so ridiculous of them to ask so many irrelevant questions, nthg to do with the job scope/ur experiences
QUOTE(SPS @ Jun 18 2008, 11:38 AM)
From reading several of the postings in this thread, some forummers (pressumably the younger set) seem to be shocked that there are such things as pay and referral checks in the corporate workplace.
Welcome to the real world - there's no free lunch.
how is negotiating for ur salary is free lunch???
if they feel we're not suitable for the job, then dont call us up to go interview and waste our time lah.
QUOTE(smallbug @ Jun 18 2008, 11:39 AM)
You don't put down your pay from your previous company in the application form? What if the interviewer asks?
say it's P&C loh. say, u nego with me AFTER u decided that i'm the perfect person for the job. not evaluate by how low im willing to work for (like kuli only!)
this is job interview. not contract tender. zzzzzzzzz
want to complain no good quality ppl to work for u, then be willing to pay, man.
QUOTE(Syd G @ Jun 18 2008, 11:45 AM)
smallbug, I dont even put down 'religion', 'race' and my parents' name and profession. Especially my mother's name.
In America it's even illegal to ask for marital status and age.
If the interviewer ask, I'll ask back.. "how will the information be useful to you?"
Based on previous experiences, they either dont know how the market rate and doesnt wanna overpay you or just want to test your integrity.
If they really wanna test my integrity then I can give them all the numbers of my previous bosses for them to call up
Added on June 18, 2008, 11:47 amSorry, I meant immediate supervisor or people who dont know the information beforehand. Manager n HR person, thats different story
Dont get me wrong, SPS. I'm a big fan of background checks.
i'm only a fan of background checks on their quality of work and personality. not salary.
salary shld be up to negotiation. if u not happy to pay more for the candidate u want, then be happy with the next best thing.
sometimes, this salary negotiation situation can be like a bullying session to see how low u're willing to slave for.
QUOTE(putramon @ Jun 18 2008, 09:58 PM)
got ask for payslip for interviews ah? never encounter that b4...
hi hybz. i tot u can print ur own payslip at home?
got a lot of companies like that. then a lot of candidates willingly supply.
when i dont give, they don't insist also.
QUOTE(yrh0413 @ Jun 19 2008, 11:42 AM)
I recently turned down a job offer exactly because the company's HR just added 20% on top of my current pay. I questioned her back by asking her if I'm underpaid in my current job that means I'll be underpaid when I accept their job offer. The HR just kept quiet after that.
Seriously, do a survey on the market price before you accept any job offers; I have some colleagues earning less than RM3k with 5 years working experience in relevant field.
LOL!!
HR are the worst. they alw try to get u to accept the lowest possible pay.
everyone shld do their own research on the current pay scales for their own industry/work exp
QUOTE(jimmy79 @ Jun 19 2008, 02:37 PM)
If I am HR I will ask you back:
If you think you are underpaid, why are you accepting the job offer for your current job at first place?
or
If you think you are underpaid, why don't you raise it out with your company ?
PS: Is it underpaid+20% still underpaid? I thinks is depends to situation.
ppl do that to get a foot into a diff industry usually.
or a good name company
or u dont have the necessary qualifications but want to learn
QUOTE(yrh0413 @ Jun 19 2008, 03:04 PM)
Haha bingo, I answered the same set of questions before
"If you think you are underpaid, why are you accepting the job offer for your current job at first place? "
- Its my first job, gaining experience is far more important than the figure printed on my payslip. I know the market price for the position I'm applying for and I know my qualifications very well.
To be frank, I was earning RM2k previously. I wrote RM3.2k as my expected salary for the job offer and the HR called up and told me I'm expecting waaay too much. I attended the interview, and with my experience I manage to bargain from RM2.5k up to close to RM3k.
(1st job) RM2000 -> (2nd job) RM2800+; too bad I have higher offers that does not bother how much I earn on my previous job. To answer you, RM2000 + 20% is still severely underpaid if you ask me.
that's the way to bargain for salary! good going!!!
i did kinda regret bargaining for a better salary and ended up suffering in a co i didnt enjoy myself in.
however, it was also testament to how everyone has the right to nego for their own salary.
my last two jobs were diff industries altogether but i managed to get almost +75% increase from 2nd last job in the last job. (mind u, the 2nd last job was paying very low)
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