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University Useful information for prospective law students, A basic guide to become a lawyer

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yuru
post May 20 2012, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ May 19 2012, 11:58 AM)
yes. just one of the either (a) (b) or ©. if you fulfil (b), you're a qualified person. do note the bm exam requirement though for admission. Speak to lpqb, the Bar dont usually deal with these matters unless you find a friendly officer in there who has the time.
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Do I still required a credit in bm though I have gain a bptc ? It wasn't the requirement for CLP?


Added on May 20, 2012, 11:21 am
QUOTE(schizophrenic @ May 19 2012, 01:58 PM)
I repeat what I said earlier. Refer to section 3 on ye definition of a qualified person. You need not be recognised by the qualifying board for certain qualifications as they have been statutorily recognised.

The whole purpose of ensuring that you are a qualified person is to have sufficient locus standi to petition for admission as an advocate and solicitor into the high court of Malaya. Qualifying board's certification is only one of them.


Added on May 19, 2012, 2:01 pm

He would have satisfied paragraph b as a barrister if he were to be called to the bar in England.


Added on May 19, 2012, 2:02 pm
I've replied your pm
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Hmm... If that's the case, I think I will most probably go for the gdl programme and further bptc in uk.
After called to the English bar and only coming back for 9 months pupillage and practice in Malaysia.

I think that would be the fastest path for a non law background person.
Anyone having opinion on whether it is Not workable?
Please share here.


Added on May 20, 2012, 11:29 am
QUOTE(academiclawyer @ May 19 2012, 10:59 PM)
So, potentially, I can go to the crappiest university in the UK, do the BTPC, and get called to the Malaysian bar. Renders the list of qualified universities quite pointless.
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Personally, I think as long as the university in the uk is recognized by the English bar and one person is accepted by the four inns of courts plus bptc course, one person most probably may pupillage and practice in Malaysia without go through CLP as he/ she already barrister-at-uk (which fitted clause (b)) after he/she has passed the bptc.


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post May 20 2012, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(academiclawyer @ May 19 2012, 10:59 PM)
So, potentially, I can go to the crappiest university in the UK, do the BTPC, and get called to the Malaysian bar. Renders the list of qualified universities quite pointless.
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this is then questioning the entry requirements for the BPTC. Assumptions are made that gaining a spot to tackle the BPTC and then getting thru is sufficient for you to be deemed good enough to handle practice. What then of the graduates of certain local unis?
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post May 20 2012, 09:41 PM

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The BTPC is the sole entry point to the English bar. Less than a third of those who did the BTPC will get a pupillage, and even less will get a tenancy. Through such immense competition, the market itself regulates the quality of new barristers. Just look through the profiles of barristers in any decent chambers and you will get what I mean.

In Malaysia, we know that there are multiple entry points. There is also the impression that we are producing far too many law graduates. So the list of recognised universities, I reckon, exists for quality control (for weird reasons, though, Durham is excluded while Hertfordshite is included). All I'm saying is that there is no good reason to filter the CLP graduates in such a way and not do the same for the BTPC graduates. Either abolish the list or let it apply also to BTPC graduates.

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post May 24 2012, 11:57 AM

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i have called the qualifying board and consulted on the GDL path that i mentioned early on. The answer i got is one person may pupilage / practise in malaysia with GDL plus i have to be called to the English bar. with or without LLB and Alevel doesnt affect unless you plan to do your CLP.

In other words, GDL is another entry point for non-law graduate to pracise in Malaysia as well but ofcourse provided that called to the english bar by completed BPTC.
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post May 24 2012, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(yuru @ May 24 2012, 11:57 AM)
i have called the qualifying board and consulted on the GDL path that i mentioned early on. The answer i got is one person may pupilage / practise in malaysia with GDL plus i have to be called to the English bar. with or without LLB and Alevel doesnt affect unless you plan to do your CLP. 

In other words, GDL is another entry point for non-law graduate to pracise in Malaysia as well but ofcourse provided that called to the english bar by completed BPTC.
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That's good to know. Now students can pursue more interesting courses (eg nuclear physics) and then convert into law through the GDL and BTPC.
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post May 25 2012, 11:31 AM

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Btw... anyone have any idea on the law course in university of Nottingham Trent and Northumbria university ?
I am intended to do my gdl over there.
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post May 28 2012, 09:56 AM

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Is Nottingham Trent the same school which provides the BPTC? If it is, then as far as I hear by reputation, the BPTC is at the least, amongst the best outside of London; so by extrapolating that reputation and hearsay, the GDL shouldn't be too far off. But one can only hope. Then again, Notts is supposedly a dangerous place (poppycock imho).

The Bar Standards Board each year publishes their report on each of the BPTC providers, is there a similar investigation and report on the GDL run either by the Law Society or Bar or education board? If there is, look through that. If there isn't, then look at the BPTC reports, they might give you an inkling as to what the Bar thinks of the BPTC. If nothing else, I would use that as a starting point.
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QUOTE(Flynn @ May 19 2012, 11:14 AM)
Hi, I would like to know the career prospect with law degree. If I graduate with law degree, I can be a legal advisor. Can anyone tell me where can I work as a legal advisor? Besides that, can I work in the bank in Malaysia if I graduate  with a law degree?
Hopefully I will get your reply soon.
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A lot of companies hire legal advisors, you can get a job easily in any big companies. I am sure banks hire in-house legal advisors as well.
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post Jun 15 2012, 02:44 AM

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http://www.lpqb.org.my/

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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Jun 15 2012, 02:44 AM)
http://www.lpqb.org.my/

New site launched. :-)
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very useful link, thank you Sir for your good effort. thanks


Added on June 20, 2012, 11:01 pm[quote=schizophrenic,May 15 2012, 11:40 PM]
The last time I vetted a degree cert, we actually wrote to the Uni enclosing a photocopy of the cert and requested for a confirmation.

This was for a university in India.


Dear Sir,

what would be the consequence if the cert is vetted as non-genuine (faked)? would it simply be warning and removal of a person's managerial position by the local educaiton auhtority? will there be any kind of criminal/deception/fraudulent charges for the person as well?

will forumers please advise me.

thanking in advance.

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post Jun 24 2012, 02:24 PM

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There's actually a new list of recognised UK universities. Durham finally made it into the list.
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post Jun 30 2012, 10:47 PM

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hello everyone i have just become a law student and taking degree transfer programme.what books are recommended for contract law and constitutional law?anybody has second hand books to sell?
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QUOTE(minshuen @ Jun 30 2012, 10:47 PM)
hello everyone i have just become a law student and taking degree transfer programme.what books are recommended for contract law and constitutional law?anybody has second hand books to sell?
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contract - -> McKenzie
consti --> online reading
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post Jul 3 2012, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(z21j @ Jul 2 2012, 01:00 PM)
contract - -> McKenzie
consti --> online reading
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for consti...maybe hilaire barnett
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post Jul 3 2012, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(z21j @ Jul 2 2012, 01:00 PM)
contract - -> McKenzie
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You meant McKendrick?
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post Jul 3 2012, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(academiclawyer @ Jul 3 2012, 09:25 PM)
You meant McKendrick?
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thanks for your correction. This book quite comprehensive and easy to understand. Above suggested H.Barnett for consti.. I personally think that this book quite hard to understand (without basic foundation).
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post Jul 4 2012, 08:45 AM

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This is a very informative thread. Please keep it up

By the way, I need some advices from experienced practicing lawyers or anyone who can give a validation as to regard to senior status llb program offered by Cambridge, if it is recognized by Malaysia accreditation board? I have already obtained my first degree and currently am contemplating to further my study in law. How about the other accelerated degrees (two years senior degree) offered by other universities in UK? Any advice will be deeply appreciated and thank you in advance!
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post Jul 4 2012, 10:55 AM

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Hello, from 2012 most Australian universities are offering the Juris Doctor. Can I practice in Malaysia after obtaining that? Since Aus share the common Law system with Malaysia...
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post Jul 5 2012, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE(Frankmiller92 @ Jul 4 2012, 10:55 AM)
Hello, from 2012 most Australian universities are offering the Juris Doctor. Can I practice in Malaysia after obtaining that? Since Aus share the common Law system with Malaysia...
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AFAIK only Melbourne and UWA offer a JD. The other universities are still the standard law degrees. For all intents and purposes a JD is the same as a LLB for admission purposes. This is to say, the rules that govern LLB graduates should apply to JD graduates.

Do note that a JD requires you to have a 1st degree beforehand, and personally there is no advantage. Honestly, there are other law schools in Australia which are less complicated to enter.
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I have been looking for some time ow, wondering if the senior status degree conferred by university of Cambridge, is recognized in Malaysia? Also, how about those two years accelerated degree? Looking forward to learn the learned opinions as I am really anxious to know the answer and yet couldn't find it elsewhere.

Thank you again.

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