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SihamZhai
post Jan 17 2011, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(minshuen @ Jan 17 2011, 09:09 PM)
any london external programme law graduates here?i would like to know is there any difference between llb london external programme graduates and the foreign uni one?and will the holder of llb external programme be at the unfavourable position when applying for jobs?thanks in advance^^
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Both are recognisable by the Malaysian BAR. thats for sure. But I talked to my church lawyer, he says that some big firms do not recognise the London External UOL as well as Singapore firms ( if you plan to work there). In today's job market, I do not know if this is still practiced.
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QUOTE(SihamZhai @ Jan 17 2011, 09:56 PM)
Both are recognisable by the Malaysian BAR. thats for sure. But I talked to my church lawyer, he says that some big firms do not recognise the London External UOL as well as Singapore firms ( if you plan to work there). In today's job market, I do not know if this is still practiced.
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Basically Singapore doesnt recognise any external, transfer or twinning program.

Nonetheless, UoL graduates are proved with its quality until now whereby it is not easy to pass, and those who have passed are well-trained.
For example, the syllabus that they are covering are almost 90% of that subject, whereas some of the foreign unis, and due to the credit hours system, only 50% are covered. They tend to cover more and might possess more knowledges in law. In UoL, they have commercial law that includes international trade. However, in Cardiff, we only have Sale of Goods and Agency' as a subject whereby 'international trade' is excluded.

In my opinion, i think UoL still has its reputation in the present job market.
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post Jan 19 2011, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(SihamZhai @ Jan 17 2011, 09:56 PM)
But I talked to my church lawyer, he says that some big firms do not recognise the London External UOL
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in M'sia? not true. many partners in big firms here are UOL grads.
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post Jan 20 2011, 02:23 PM

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did AUSMAT or SAM recognized by the malaysian bar in order to practice as a lawyer in Malaysia ?
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post Jan 20 2011, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(buttergirl @ Jan 20 2011, 02:23 PM)
did AUSMAT or SAM recognized by the malaysian bar in order to practice as a lawyer in Malaysia ?
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yes it's recognized as an alternative to STPM/A-Levels
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post Jan 20 2011, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(Beth79 @ Jan 19 2011, 04:47 PM)
in M'sia? not true. many partners in big firms here are UOL grads.
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I concur. Alot of good lawyers here are UOL grads. It's not what qualifications you have, but how good you are.


BTW, the legal career fair is being held on 12.2.2011 (Saturday) at Corus Hotel, (Jalan Ampang, Kuala Lumpur) from 10am to 4pm. Do visit the fair if you're interested to find out more about legal practice and information on the firms that will be present. I'll be there.

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post Jan 25 2011, 08:07 PM

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I am now doing my A-levels right..planning to do my llb after that.. just wondering what kind of grade for my A-level law paper is considered decent? I heard an A for law is kind of big deal..

And i heard the minimum requirement for CLP is at least a lower second class honors ? is it tough to get that?
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post Jan 25 2011, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Jan 20 2011, 10:36 AM)
I concur. Alot of good lawyers here are UOL grads. It's not what qualifications you have, but how good you are.
BTW, the legal career fair is being held on 12.2.2011 (Saturday) at Corus Hotel, (Jalan Ampang, Kuala Lumpur) from 10am to 4pm. Do visit the fair if you're interested to find out more about legal practice and information on the firms that will be present. I'll be there.
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Are you going?

I'll probably be there.
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QUOTE(GulengBeng @ Jan 25 2011, 08:07 PM)
I am now doing my A-levels right..planning to do my llb after that.. just wondering what kind of grade for my A-level law paper is considered decent?  I heard an A for law is kind of big deal..

And i heard the minimum requirement for CLP is at least a lower second class honors ? is it tough to get that?
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Hit a B is already good enuff. I still traumatised after missing by 3 marks sad.gif Could have hit and A* or an A minimum
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QUOTE(SihamZhai @ Jan 25 2011, 09:15 PM)
Hit a B is already good enuff. I still traumatised after missing by 3 marks sad.gif Could have hit and A* or an A minimum
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Wow.. cases and facts aside, how did you study for it?
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QUOTE(GulengBeng @ Jan 25 2011, 09:56 PM)
Wow.. cases and facts aside, how did you study for it?
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Understanding and listening in class... haha. Its quite easy once u understand it. For example criminal law, you only need to understand the principle if certain offences. Then always remember the AR and MR. The only memorising that is being done is for cases and statute. Then apply the defence. Quite simple. Even LLB isnt really hard if you pay attention in class.
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hey i found from the website of LNAT that whoever is applying for LNAT universities will not need to take IELTS or TOEFL by taking LNAT as a substitute,is that true?thanks in advance for any reply^^
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happy new year everyone!!~~

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Hey all,
I'm a third year law student from a local uni.
I have a huge dilemma and I need some advice on this matter.
I'm a Sime Darby scholar and will be attached for four years after graduating.
Before this, I felt secured because I wont have to deal with the problems of finding jobs.
However, just now, I met a practicing lawyer from Shook Lin and Boh at the library and he really brainwashed me and made me regret of having to be bonded with Sime Darby. He said that I will waste 4 years of my life working there. I should have chosen a scholarship that will not bind me after graduating.
This really worries me. He even asked me to annul my contract of scholarship with Sime Darby because he said many of his friends that were bound by Petronas, Bank Negara and etc, regretted and eventually they put an end to their contracts and have to pay back all the money to the respective companies.
Oh my god. What should I do?
He even asked me to work with the AGs, apply to be a DPP, working with large firms or anything, other than being bound with such companies.
I really need some advise on this.
Thank you so much..
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post Feb 14 2011, 12:26 AM

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Can someone please tell me something.If I were to graduate from say for example,University of Oxford or University of Edinburgh,with a Law degree,what would happen when I return back to Malaysia? I've heard that I have to do chambering.Is that true? If so,can someone explain to me what is "chambering",how much will it cost and how long will it take?

Sorry,just finished SPM and I'm very interested in pursuing a double major in Law and Economics, and I want to study in the UK. So, I need to know whats waiting for me when I get back here if I were to study in the UK.

Thanks smile.gif
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post Feb 14 2011, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(adelwise1 @ Feb 13 2011, 04:26 PM)
Can someone please tell me something.If I were to graduate from say for example,University of Oxford or University of Edinburgh,with a Law degree,what would happen when I return back to Malaysia? I've heard that I have to do chambering.Is that true? If so,can someone explain to me what is "chambering",how much will it cost and how long will it take?

Sorry,just finished SPM and I'm very interested in pursuing a double major in Law and Economics, and I want to study in the UK. So, I need to know whats waiting for me when I get back here if I were to study in the UK.

Thanks  smile.gif
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Assuming that you intend to gain admission into the Malaysian Bar, you'll have to ensure that you are in possession of qualifications that would make you a qualified person for purposes of the Legal Profession Act 1976.

On the assumption that your qualification is a recognised English law degree by the Qualifying Board, you will be required to sit for the Certificate in Legal Practice Examination prior to being able to petition as a qualified person under section 3 LPA 1976 to the High Court of Malaya/Sabah & Sarawak (formerly Borneo)[do note that the section and ordinance is different for both Sabah and Sarawak] for admission into the local bar.

Your pupillage begins on the day you file your petition at the respective High Court and you will be expected to ensure that it is for a continuous period of 9 months (Malaya) or 12 months (Sabah & Sarawak) [subject to exceptions, eg: prior approval by the Bar Council].

Upon completion of your pupillage, you will be required to file a standard affidavit and the the court will accordingly fix a hearing date for your petition.

Nb: I've omitted the process where you would have applied for a limited right of audience.

You'll find more information at page 1 of this thread.


Added on February 14, 2011, 6:18 pm
QUOTE(orangeisjuzfine @ Feb 10 2011, 01:35 PM)
Hey all,
I'm a third year law student from a local uni.
I have a huge dilemma and I need some advice on this matter.
I'm a Sime Darby scholar and will be attached for four years after graduating.
Before this, I felt secured because I wont have to deal with the problems of finding jobs.
However, just now, I met a practicing lawyer from Shook Lin and Boh at the library and he really brainwashed me and made me regret of having to be bonded with Sime Darby. He said that I will waste 4 years of my life working there. I should have chosen a scholarship that will not bind me after graduating.
This really worries me. He even asked me to annul my contract of scholarship with Sime Darby because he said many of his friends that were bound by Petronas, Bank Negara and etc, regretted and eventually they put an end to their contracts and have to pay back all the money to the respective companies.
Oh my god. What should I do?
He even asked me to work with the AGs, apply to be a DPP, working with large firms or anything, other than being bound with such companies.
I really need some advise on this.
Thank you so much..
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:-)

What do you want out of it? The freedom to choose where to work at the expense of your (or your parents'/relatives'/friends') pocket or a definite job for a certain number of years without incurring further additional costs?

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Anyone doing law at Taylor's or Inti? Feedback, please.
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post Feb 14 2011, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(orangeisjuzfine @ Feb 10 2011, 09:35 PM)
Hey all,
I'm a third year law student from a local uni.
I have a huge dilemma and I need some advice on this matter.
I'm a Sime Darby scholar and will be attached for four years after graduating.
Before this, I felt secured because I wont have to deal with the problems of finding jobs.
However, just now, I met a practicing lawyer from Shook Lin and Boh at the library and he really brainwashed me and made me regret of having to be bonded with Sime Darby. He said that I will waste 4 years of my life working there. I should have chosen a scholarship that will not bind me after graduating.
This really worries me. He even asked me to annul my contract of scholarship with Sime Darby because he said many of his friends that were bound by Petronas, Bank Negara and etc, regretted and eventually they put an end to their contracts and have to pay back all the money to the respective companies.
Oh my god. What should I do?
He even asked me to work with the AGs, apply to be a DPP, working with large firms or anything, other than being bound with such companies.
I really need some advise on this.
Thank you so much..
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nowadays it's kinda hard to land on a job. your bond with Sime Darby gives you the job security. icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif
But it's only four years. Not forever. If you ask me, after these four years, when I start to look for another job, my future employer might consider my application because of four years experience (just an idea).

It's always better than nothing. whistling.gif

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post Feb 15 2011, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(orangeisjuzfine @ Feb 10 2011, 09:35 PM)
Hey all,
I'm a third year law student from a local uni.
I have a huge dilemma and I need some advice on this matter.
I'm a Sime Darby scholar and will be attached for four years after graduating.
Before this, I felt secured because I wont have to deal with the problems of finding jobs.
However, just now, I met a practicing lawyer from Shook Lin and Boh at the library and he really brainwashed me and made me regret of having to be bonded with Sime Darby. He said that I will waste 4 years of my life working there. I should have chosen a scholarship that will not bind me after graduating.
This really worries me. He even asked me to annul my contract of scholarship with Sime Darby because he said many of his friends that were bound by Petronas, Bank Negara and etc, regretted and eventually they put an end to their contracts and have to pay back all the money to the respective companies.
Oh my god. What should I do?
He even asked me to work with the AGs, apply to be a DPP, working with large firms or anything, other than being bound with such companies.
I really need some advise on this.
Thank you so much..
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Coincidentally, a Sime Darby Scholar just joined the firm im in.

Anyway, it all depends on what you want to do. Imo, it is not difficult to land a job in legal practice, they will take you in so long as you do reasonably well. The first step is Pupillage, and well, the firms usually take in more than they retain...so those 9 months is for you to prove your worth if you want to stay.

But what do you want?
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Hi, i have a dilemma oops.gif
whether to do STPM or Alvl
i knw both have pros and cons.... like
One is cheaper than the other.
While another is well recognised.

I planned to LLB after my stpm/alvel. Place of interest: NUS or UoL(external)
I just finished my SPM. Now waiting for results. So im unsure what to choose. Anyone can help me in this?hands.gif

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