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University Useful information for prospective law students, A basic guide to become a lawyer

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Eli
post Dec 14 2010, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(twgang @ Dec 12 2010, 06:21 PM)
Hence, can u provide me some info that which area of law i should go for after i graduate? Thank you.
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it's way too early to worry about that. you MIGHT have some idea when you start chambering. but in all likelihood, you would require a few years of working before you will be able to make a decision.


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QUOTE(twgang @ Dec 4 2010, 02:12 AM)
ya i studying law in mmu. I thinking whether i should transfer to other college and start all over again my LLB. I already search online some big firms and that why i said majority of them from BVC and CLP but not from local universities that already obtained CLP exemption. If there is no different between BVC and local graduate, why so many ppl go for BVC?
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there are plenty of local grads in big firms. have you seriously looked online? which firms have you been tracking?


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QUOTE(twgang @ Dec 5 2010, 05:44 PM)
I actually not really agree what u said because I found out that first batch of UKM law students graduated in 1990. (UKM) LLB programme in UiTM started on 1978. (UiTM) IIUM law programme started on 1983.(IIUM) Is it 20 years consider a short period? If compare to UK university, definitely 20 years consider a short period. Besides that, I think that 15 years experience in legal practice already eligible to become a partner of law firm. However, this is not what I saw in the reality. In Malaysia, majority partners come from BVC and CLP but not local uni. Thus, what I concern is whether my future will become like that if I continue study in MMU?
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dear, graduates from local uni usually dont get into private practice. they have a very bright future in government service. go check out the qualifications of the top ppl in the AG's chambers. their min presence in big firms is not because the big firm dont want to employ them but because they feel that gov service will take them further. trust me, if you can work hard and have the right attitude, you will get into the firm you are targeting.



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post Dec 15 2010, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(twgang @ Dec 14 2010, 07:32 PM)
Because some practising lawyer told me that better for me to choose now which area of law that I interested and focus on it during my study.
ya there are plenty of local grads in big firms but most of them onli a legal assistant. Majority partners from big or medium size firm were graduated from overseas. Local graduate onli consist of small portion. UM is onli the exception.
ya local graduate definitely have a very bright future in government but i think this onli for malay which I am a chinese. If I'm not mistaken, top ppl in AG chambers graduated from UM right?

What I concern is because I currently studying in MMU, I feel that the future like limited if continue study in mmu, honestly speaking until now nobody can prove to me that local graduate can success unless study in UM.
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1) Because some practising lawyer told me that better for me to choose now which area of law that I interested and focus on it during my study- I still disagree with this statement, the subjects that you take in uni have no bearing on your future professional life. they only serve as general knowledge. for example if you take company law as a subject in uni, it will give you some general background as to company law. but it does not mean that failing to take company law means you can never be a corporate and commercial lawyer. 99% of what you really need is what you will learn while working. if u have the drive and the attitude, you can pick up areas that you failed to study during university. the area that i am in, i didnt even remotely touch in uni.

2)ya there are plenty of local grads in big firms but most of them onli a legal assistant. Majority partners from big or medium size firm were graduated from overseas. i disagree. in big firms, they have a mixture of overseas grads (UK, NZ, Aust, Singapore), london external grads, UM grads and grads from other local uni (example IIU etc) as partners. i'm telling you, NO ONE looks down on local universities. however, having said that, big firms have no problem with ANY uni grads in so long as they can speak and write good english. and your english seems fine.

3) What I concern is because I currently studying in MMU, I feel that the future like limited if continue study in mmu, honestly speaking until now nobody can prove to me that local graduate can success unless study in UM. it has already been proven. u are just not listening. but it's your life. if you wanna do something silly like change uni midway of your career it's up to u. just remember that u are delaying your own career path.
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post Dec 17 2010, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(twgang @ Dec 15 2010, 04:49 PM)
Below are the qualification of partners from 5 big firms in Malaysia:

Zaid Ibrahim & Co
5 from IIUM, 1 from UKM, 2 from UM, others all from overseas or CLP (total=38)

Lee Hishammuddin Allen & Gledhill
1 from IIUM, 2 from UM, others all from overseas or CLP (total=22)

Skrine
3 from UM, others all from overseas or CLP (total=38)

Shook Lin & Bok
all from overseas or CLP (total=26)

Shearn Delamore & Co
1 from IIUM, 2 from UM, others all from overseas or CLP (total=46)

*Pls take note that few partners from IIUM had continued their LLM at University of Cambridge or Harvard.
(Pls correct me if I have make any mistake)

Actually I had searched many legal firms beside of this 5 big firms but the answer is around the same. Hence, anymore legal firm that I required to look into??

Regarding the issue that which area of law I should concentrate, I concur that I will only find out when I come into chambering. Thank you for the advice provided.
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Do you know that the firms you listed actively market themselves to local uni students? Try going to those career fairs. If ur grates are good and you are impressive during the interview it doesn't matter whether you are a local grad or a foreign grad.

Anyway, u are under the wrong impression if you think that being a partner in a big firm is the be all and end all of everything. There are tons of very good medium and small firms out there. It isn't so much where u work but WHO you work for. Plus some of these medium and small firms pay their legal assistants and partners much better than the big firms.


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