Your choice?

Mine is Arsene Wenger...

Also don't b**** because there is no Michels, Busby, Shankly etc. Managers of our time...

This post has been edited by disco333: Jun 7 2008, 08:18 PM

you've been opening lots of threads lately to fuel your arsenal propaganda havent you

Sir Alex Ferguson for sure
22 years and still counting
and look at the trophies he won with Manchester United

The fact is not many managers can do what Wenger has done...

the best manager should be counted based on the trophies won

Not necessarily, it could be based on progress made at different capacities

This post has been edited by disco333: Jun 7 2008, 08:46 PM

wenger ......

This post has been edited by vutsi: Jun 7 2008, 08:47 PM

Because He Did 49Match Unbeaten? LOl


I Vote Alex Ferguson

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Added on June 7, 2008, 8:49 pmI Would Say Wenger Best Manager For Arsenal Nia..

This post has been edited by SeaMonster: Jun 7 2008, 08:49 PM

saf already done that
and wenger still hasnt achieved what saf has done all in his man utd career

dont misunderstand me
wenger is a great manager
in my opinion saf is better than him

This post has been edited by MADReaLJL: Jun 7 2008, 08:55 PM

this what he already done
-he never win UCL while Mourinho,Ferguson,Benitez already done it

then every manager can be the best manager of our time..

the most universal rule is whoever wins the most trophies is the best. I think everybody agrees to this

good one lol

yeah sir alex ferguson for me is better that wenger but he as a arsenal manager is not that bad himself too. i mean his one one the best arsenal manager ive ever known

most are great but SAF is d best...

he had built great teams again & again at his helm in these 2 decades. his contributions & how he transformed d club is second to none.

Wenger built an entire team for less than what Ferguson spent on one player. He has built a squad capable of winning the league by forming a group of young and talented players for a very small amount of money. Name me a manager who could have done that?

This post has been edited by disco333: Jun 7 2008, 09:10 PM

Name me a manager who could have done that?

answer : SIR ALEX FERGUSON!!! LOL

i do agree wenger is a great manager,in fact i'm also in awe of his ability to spot a talent and turn it into world class player.

but the topic here is best manager of our time. According to this thread title, i don't think wenger is the best manager of our time though but for arsenal DAMN YES!

i will vote SAF, he is termendous, no doubt his achievement as "Jaguh Kampung".

Did you even read my question? Ferguson has spent a crazy amount of money to improve his squad.

u need more than that to be considered best, & winnin trophies is part of that.

no doubt wenger is better in term of spedin less, but that doesn't make him THE best. maybe you should change ya title to best manager in term of spendin, then yes, my vote will goes to wenger whole heartedly. it's bitter to agree that ya rival's manager is better than ya manager, i know it's hard but credit need to be given when it's due.

just like what me (united fans) gotta agree that wenger is better in buyin players at rock bottom price. i believe no one in EPL is better than him in this term.

calculate how much time wenger coach Arsenal and SAF coach Man Utd, and how much both of them winning the league, fa cup and league cup.
btw i am with u that Wenger great at finding and build youth team, but SAF is great in bulding champion team and also building worl best players...

Guus Hiddink guiding South Korea to semi-final in World Cup is one of the greatest triumph i've ever seen...it gives me goosebump watching them play like machine non-stop spirit!!!

First of all, have you seen what SAF have been doing? to sum it up, look at this season...buyings = Anderson + nani , and also Hargreaves. He balances the young generation and the older ones. although SAF do spend quite a lot, but he buys young players. Not only that, streghten his team with a player that have so much experience in the UCL. no offense, but Dun forget that the reason arsenal lose so much points after the Eduardo injury is lack of depth...

Yup, I agree with ah_khoo. It is based on opinion and in my opinion Wenger is the better manager. Make of it what you will.

If ur talking about recent team, of course he purchased several big name players. But u cant ignore his Fledgings, can u? The Beckham, Neville brothers, Butt, Scholes, Giggs...Hey, he didnt buy them for large amount of money. Youth team. Start the team from young. Dont say that only Wenger knows that trend. The Busby Babes is the first if you want to talk about nurturing young players. also 49 games unbeaten is a great achievement, an achievement nonetheless, but does it outweigh winning trophies? no i dont think so.

the truth is this topic is seem general, ppl can describe best manager from various factor and depending on the situation and scenario... we need to look overall

During that unbeaten spell we won a trophy. So if you are going to win the league that doing it in style is harmless

i voted for SAF
for me its about building a team with character
look at Man Utd players, the young ones, they do not only show good techniques but also tremendous character, meaning that they also have the mental strength because football today cant be compared for abilities alone
just look at how many players of Man Utd are being bid by other teams, mostly that are highly-priced
but when they transfer, showed quite an underrated performance
because of what?SAF build a team as a whole, not only a player himself
and SAF has proved that time and time again

This post has been edited by muhaiymin: Jun 7 2008, 09:34 PM

wenger can do that with more supportive board. too bad they have d wage limit policy, else he could have kept all his key players & achieve something better.

I Read The Result .

Alex Ferguson Leading Alot...


No Argue.. That's Fact.. Admit It Plz..

Else Close The Thread..

haha another typical thread from disco333....
no doubt for me is ferguson....
the only 1 that can match ferguson in epl is arsene wenger but is still long way to go thou....
how much amount of money spent for success is not important....is juz like an investment.....man united invest 50M last year they succeded this season....
real madrid spent so much of money on their galactico era yet get nothing....
so is all bout smart investment....
man united spent 50M last year but got around 80++M afta claiming the double...
how much arsenal spent n how much arsenal got in return...??

This post has been edited by leongtat: Jun 7 2008, 09:36 PM

lol poor thing this guy la

his all alone defending Wenger and we here all as man utd fan supporting sir alex ferguson as one of the best manager

leave the poor guy alone la guys

This post has been edited by Calvin871989: Jun 7 2008, 09:37 PM

everybody is entitled to their own opinion mate, dun u think ur bein too subjective?

wenger... no doubt the best arsenal ever had and to me he is the best. he has an eye for talent. of coz, SAF comes second to wenger, IMO

creating player with fire is it?

seriously all this best wat or worse what is very useless thread...
maybe next time u shud come out wif some kind of benchmark for measurement....or else GTFO!

dare to explain.

no doubt wenger also good, i can admit it that wenger > SAf, if they did win atleast or equal to us for example in BPL

SAF COMES SECOND TO WENGER???

sorry but i seriously totally very much disagree with you

look at SAF man. i mean com on. how is he second to wenger? its that a joke or what? have he even won the champions league with arsenal? has he even done a treble with arsenal? explain to me all those plz??? having a very hard time here reading your post of how SAF is second to wenger???

when voting in this kind of topic i think most ppl will be bias to their team
for me, it's arsene wenger due to his football philosophy.

I Would Say It's Worth To Spend..

Crazy?

What About Compare With Chelsea, Bayern, RealMarid, Liverpoor...

i think both ferguson and wenger are the best in premier league...they introduced pizza into football...u dont see that everyda....

When SAF won his first trophy with man utd, how much did he spent?

dun worry disco333, u got my support...........In Arsene We trust.....

I Would Say Sir Alex Ferguson Is The Most Sucessful Manager For This 20Years..


Most Secussful = Best

That's All..

Unlike the other top 4 teams' managers, Alex Ferguson didn't buy success... he builds success...

If You Say In This 5Years?

JM Is The Best..

I'm Based On Their Result & Trophies

This post has been edited by SeaMonster: Jun 7 2008, 09:59 PM

with Chelsea or R.M yes, but com' on mate, Bayern hardly spend big if my memory serve me well & pool rarely spent big amount on certain player unlike us or d other mentioned earlier. what make us diff from R.M & Chelsea is even we spent big but we used those $$$ in wiser way.

No... you need to look at the resources that available to the manager too..

Alex Ferguson may not have much money to spend compared to the other clubs like Real Madrid, Chelsea and Liverpool... yet he won so many major trophies... Premier League titles, Champions League etc etc..

Imagine if Alex Ferguson has the money to spend ...

JM Spent Alot When He Won The Euro Champion?

I Don't Think So.. Man

Haish, I guess you weren't born before year 2000 or only start to follow Arsenal progress after their 49 unbeaten run.

When Ferguson won the EPL the first four times, he combined youth and good purchases with the like of Cantona and Giggs.

In the early years he bought unknown players cheaply like Big Dane and Baby Assassins.

BTW, did you lose a massive bet due to United? Looking at your post history you had some serious hatred towards Man Utd which exceeds the level of a hardcore Liverpool fans.

Yup, Bayern Only Spent Alot In This Season..

I Think MU Too.. Last Season? No Loh...

dont fight2 la, happy euro 2008

11.59pm First Game

JM can't produce young players... but he can attractive many good players to the club.. no doubt about that...

In the past 10 years, SAF has produced so many young english talented players... like Rooney, Rio Ferdinand, Carrick, Scholes, Beckham and many other players...

has SAF won the world cup???? lol

rooney & ferdinand are not from our youth academy mate, they were ledi a gud player when we acquired 'em. but no doubt SAF had done gud job in polishin 'em into gem who they are nowdays, same goes to ronaldo...

anybody has a link or picture where ferguson's arm hanging a pizza??
u guys wana know who's the pizzaboy?
it's none other that the chelsea man himself

This post has been edited by rickrick: Jun 7 2008, 10:18 PM

no but he has won trophys like...

Manchester United 1986–
Domestic competition

Premier League:
Winner: 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08
Runner-up: 1994–95, 1997–98, 2005–06
Football League First Division:
Runner-up: 1987–88, 1991–92
FA Cup:
Winner: 1989–90, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
Runner-up: 1994–95, 2004–05, 2006–07
League Cup:
Winner: 1991–92, 2005–06
Runner-up: 1990–91, 1993–94, 2002–03
FA Charity/Community Shield:
Winner: 1990 (shared), 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007
Runner-up: 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2004
European competition

UEFA Champions League:
Winner: 1998–99, 2007–08
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup:
Winner: 1990–91
UEFA Super Cup:
Winner: 1991
Runner-up: 1999
International competition

Intercontinental Cup:
Winner: 1999

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Many people will say that he is not the best manager in the Premier League, that Sir Alex Ferguson is better. However, I am forced to disagree. I know that Sir Alex has won the Treble and Wenger has only achieved the Double, and that Arsene has not yet won the Champions League. But if he does eventually win the European crown, which he has a good chance of with this very young squad that will only get better, I believe he should be remembered as the greatest manager of this generation.

Wenger should be remembered not only for his trophies - and I think that he will win many more of these due to the talent and cohesion of his team right now. The fact is he has done so many other things for Arsenal and the Premier League.

While in charge of the Gunners, he has seen a new stadium built, recorded record profits, gone through a season undefeated, and introduced a beautiful playing style that is fun to watch. As for the Premier League, he has demonstrated to the other teams in the competition that you don’t have to play ugly football in order to win.

I am not saying that you have to agree with me but don't insult his achievements.

I dont think we insulted Arsene's achievement. The question is the best manager and rightly it should be SAF. Even Jose managed to retaine the EPL trophy after winning it the first time.

LOL. In terms of prudent spending, Wenger is right at the very top.

Based on trophies, it's SAF. And you get trophies only when you get all the components in the right mix (players' quality, club staff, tactics, finance, board & fans support, etc).

Look through a few pages and many people belittle our unbeaten run. That to me shows a lack or respect.

saying saf is second to arsene also is a lack of respect
but well, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion rite?

i understand u.........there r more man u fans in malaysia...tat's a fact

I only saw 1 post . Donno if ppl has edited it.

Taking into account the unbeaten run (Thanks to RvN) it is still not enough to put AW as the best manager of our time.

That is again debatable as it is a matter of opinion, if trophies are a benchmark then Ferguson has done brilliantly but if you take into account that Wenger has kept Arsenal within budget for so many years that he has enabled the club to move to a new stadium, increase the clubs revenue a year by about 200% from when he first took over and he has also increased Arsenal's profile considerably.

How is saying that Wenger is a better manager than Ferguson disrespectful? Care to explain your definition of respect because it sure as hell is not the same as mind

disco333 just say that ferguson is a better manager compared to wenger and we were all leave this thread for good and promise not to come back or post on this thread anymore. lol

Ok, let me forget that I'm an Arsenal fan and let me see what I can say.

I would say SAF the best, in term of trophies and few more thing, plus cant actually say he spend much, he spend more now in this later part of his career if compare to his earlier part of his MU career(cant deny Butt, Beckham, and all those other players did and some still play for MU). Also cant deny that he won a lot of trophies too. Plus, who will not forget of his strict attitude, in his earlier days, no players is bigger than him, he is the boss and he is not afraid to show it(hehehe, sure remember what I mean by this.)

But then AW also have a great record and also a best manager, he do have great eye to spot talent, good in buying players and such when he needed. We all must admit Arsenal do have a tighter budget then MU during the 1996 season and onward, so for the trophies he won, it a great achievement. And we cant forget his idea of playing beautiful football and such and such. And who say Arsenal cant produce world class player? I know Henry may not be from the youth system, but he did became famous and world class when he play for Arsenal. And currently Arsenal have few more youngsters that have potential to become World Class players. Also, 49 unbeaten runs also not something easy to accomplish, thus it show AW also is a great manager.

But it hard to compare, cause one person is nearing end of his career, and another one is still far from ending his career, so very hard to compare, that why I would rather compare past and retired managers then current managers.


By the way, I vote for Arsene, just cant take away the fact that I'm a Arsenal fan, hehehe. In Arsene we trust. Plus, Arsene career in Arsenal still have a long way to go, so I feel everyone cant judge him just yet.

Getting treble or getting an incredible unbeaten streak is both achievements. How great any achievement is, is subjective.

For this thread's discussion, you'll have to look it as the best being: length of service to the club and the consistent great results/achievements during that tenureship. In EPL, there's only probably two managers to compare with.

SAF for me...

good answer

This is how I see it. it is truly impossible to really argue rationally about this as the two most important questions would always go unanswered, could Ferguson have achieved the success Wenger has and elevated Arsenal football club into a situation where they sell out 60,000 every home game on a tiny transfer budget .Whereas Rio cost more than our whole team at £28 million. The second question is could Arsene have had what was required mentally to drive a massive club that had been underachieving to such glories as winning the treble? My thoughts are that neither could have achieved the same success if the roles were reversed but if one looks at how hard it was to achieve that success I believe Arsene job is harder as if the best player comes on the market he doesn't have the funds to buy him ie Wayne Rooney at £28 million. So he has to continue pulling rabbits out of the hat like Fabregas for £500k, Toure for £125k, Adebayor for £3 million, van Persie for £2.75 million etc.

arsenal fan sure will say arsene wenger but i would say Jose Mourinho, tats not much manager can bring team to top in just one year, yah maybe some1 said he uses money to buy champion, but without him terry , lampard and those will not able to shown their top performence

You can leave if you want, no one really cares....

Don't forget that Sir Alex won his first league titles without splashing a lot of cash on players. He bought Eric Cantona for £1.2 million pounds, and Fergie's Fledglings came from our youth system.

when ferguson took over united, the club position in the table was somewhere at the bottom of the table and the stadium was so much smaller than today. The club had no money at that time. From there, he slowly turned the club into what we have seen today. Winning his first title and build on his success for club and the club expanded into the biggest club stadium in England. Every match, there are 76,000 crowds,full house..From the club success, he generates money for transfer money...

And yeah, he even won Champions League as well..

"FOOTBALL,BLOODY HELL"


This post has been edited by hazremi: Jun 7 2008, 11:13 PM

haha joker la you. ok la ill just leave you alone. gotta go watch euro now. ciao

Back in the day £1.2 million was lot of money.....

he got the money.. he just prefer not to use it
u said like he never spend much before.. its just during recent years he started to build his squad from young players

saf transform united from 7 league titles to 17 league titles, 1 european titles to 3 titles.. plus some fa cup
during the time he first took united, we are nothing like we are now
he rebuilt the squad and look where we are now

not trying to be rude but what wenger doing now already done by saf long time ago.. and saf done it more effectively than wenger
currently saf also focuses on young players but now he chose to buy because of the money he made from previous seasons.. what is the point gathering money but dont spend it enough rite? summore saf spend the money wise enough with the purchase of carrick, hargreaves, nani and anderson

anyway we can always see next season whether the young already matured squad will step up or not

When Fergie took over, United had the largest stadium in England that was filled every matchday. The club has history, the stadiums were filled well before Ferguson's era. United were also the richest club in England at that time, Ferguson took over a under preforming team and led them to the title which is impressive. They might have been near the bottom when he took over but they are the favourites at the start of that season which means that they had the quality but lacked leadership which is where Fergie comes in. To say that he made a team out of failures in nonsense, with a few signings he was able to lead them steadily up the league.

i guess this argue will never end la.. duhh
of course arsenal's fans will vote for wenger and of course united's fans will definitely vote for SAF. there's no point to argue about who's the best. all managers have their own achievements. SAF is good in certain aspects and Wenger also is good in certain aspects. it is too subjective to compare these two ppl. cmon guys..

What Ferguson did is great and all but do it in modern football is very different. Fans have this idea that Ferguson had no money to spend when he first took over, only god knows where this myth originated from. He had a big budget when he took over which enabled him to sign McClair, Ince, Pallister etc. Without money that would not have been possible, when Wenger took over he signed Anelka for £500k and sold him for £23 million which funded his transfers so the next three seasons. There is a big difference between what Fergie had to do at the start of his reign at United and what Wenger had to do at the start of his at Arsenal.

dun need to argue la.

everyone has their own opinions. no need to fight about who is the best, of course Arsenal fans pick AW, Liverpool fans pick RB, MU fans pick SAF while Chelsea pick JM.

TS, if u duwan other people to disagree with ur opinion, why dun u put only AW name in the poll (if can la) and state the facts that AW is the best for example:

"AW is the best manager in our time. Period."

then close the thread, sure no one will argue rite?

please la, dun fight2 over small matter. just pick/vote ur manager, reasons, dun criticize others opinion & then move on.

let's enjoy 1st game of EURO 2008 between Swiss & Czech, shall we?

neither wenger LOL

I agree!

then close the topic, ok?

haha then dont need to open this thread la dude if u dont need other ppl opinion..
u really made me laugh la..
just do like what jackdante22 said just now..

I think if you are a supporter of a small team, a manager like Wenger would be a dream manager as he will make a small team to become a great team. With the money coming into the game, If ferguson was to manage a team like Derby with a limited budget, he would have been a nobody. With Arsene Wenger, if he was to be a coach for a small team, the small team will become a great team with his ability to turned gemstone into diamonds.Any manager can be successful with money, Chelsea have proven that and also Blackburn years ago.

Wenger took a team struggling normally finishing around 6th and made them into one of, if not the best team in England, he won the double in his first full season, he won the league undefeated, his transfers are amazing, its Wenger all the way!

since Mu fan vote for Ferguson and Arsenal fan vote for Wenger,so let hear opinion from me who is not support both Arsenal and Manchester
for me Ferguson>Wenger bcos to be a good manager you cant just depend on unbeaten record @ built a team with a little money and then get 2nd @ 3rd in league

ah, come on... why didnt u quote the whole post? or ur eyes can only see "Arsene Wenger is the best manager in our time. Period"? ur eyes being programmed to see only that instead my whole post, just like wenger's mouth who only programmed to say "I didn't zee it" when reporters ask about anything that against Arsenal in the pitch.

they are still better manager than SAF out there, but to see that maybe we can wait for more than 20 years perhaps? Any current manager can surpass him but we need to wait for a certain period, depends on the team & players of coz.

Wenger have already been at Arsenal more than 10 years & he is among the best manager in the world rite now. everyone who choose other than Wenger didnt mean they disrespect him. he still on top but below SAF.

in term of finding young talents, i admit Wenger is better than SAF, he also spend less money than SAF. but achievements? u need to open ur mind, eyes & heart to see & accept that SAF is better than Wenger. Period.

P/S: TS, dun quote my last sentence and post "I disagree". if u still want to do that, dont. instead, edit the 1st post by put only Wenger's name in the poll, said "Arsene Wenger is the best manager bla bla bla bla..." & close this thread.

This post has been edited by jackdante22: Jun 8 2008, 12:02 AM

Well, Sir Alex managed to take a team struggling just above the relegation zone to 11th place, and then to more successes.
Money does not necessarily bring success, look at Chelsea.

Also, I doubt Arsenal were in a very bad financial situation when he took over, not very sure, I don't have any figures.

It was probably a joke.

the way TS behave in this thread made me wondering how old is TS? Coz from the way he responded to another people opinions,it looks like he could not accept other people opinion and want to win at all cost regardless of proof given..

i think he is still under age lah.. most probably 17 years old la kot?

salute to barca fans

There is a word for that kind of behaviour. It's called CONCEITED.

imagine? u must be new to football i guess..

i'll pick jm anytime. saf been quiet from massive mind game for few years..and after jm's departure, he attacked arsenal before the match between them..wonder why he didnt do that when jm was around..