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EvanSoon
post May 15 2008, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(Superkian @ May 15 2008, 03:42 PM)
lol,i talk to my friend.he inbreeding,wat i wan to do?he wan rear not yet open eye,wat i do?lolz
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friends advise makes a difference.. maybe u can tell him what is the consequences of inbreeding which includes unhealthy joeys, cacat joeys, joeys that r more prone to viruses and sickness.. y would human dun allow inbreeding? because of the genetic quality will reduce..(dun know how to put it in words)
u can ask him come here and ask or u can tell him what we have told u..
"make a difference, save a life!"

p/s : after seeing KP's reply only i type this 1.. mana tau KP edited so came out almost same output..

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silverwineus
post May 15 2008, 04:20 PM

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Inbreeding should not be encouraged for most animals unless for special reasons.

From Wikipedia:

Inbreeding is breeding between close relatives, whether plant or animal. If practiced repeatedly, it leads to an increase in homozygosity of a population. A higher frequency of recessive, deleterious traits in homozygous form in a population can, over time, result in inbreeding depression. This may occur when inbred individuals exhibit reduced health and fitness and lower levels of fertility.

Inbreeding may result in a far higher phenotypic expression of deleterious recessive genes within a population than would normally be expected. As a result, first-generation inbred individuals are more likely to show physical and health defects, including:

reduced fertility both in litter size and sperm viability
increased genetic disorders
fluctuating facial asymmetry
lower birth rate
higher infant mortality
slower growth rate
smaller adult size
loss of immune system function.

silver:)

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post May 15 2008, 04:39 PM

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Ditto Silver!

Inbreeding will cause lots of physical and health defects just like what you found on Wiki there.

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post May 15 2008, 05:24 PM

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If practiced repeatedly, it leads to an increase in homozygosity of a population. A higher frequency of recessive, deleterious traits in homozygous form in a population can, over time, result in inbreeding depression

This above statement may be hard to understand, so i will simplify it then.

Simply said,
Alleles is what will determine the phenotype or characteristic, for eg brown eyes.

Paired alleles (one on each of two paired chromosomes). One allele from each parent.

If these paired alleles are the same, meaning dominant and dominant or recessive and recessive, then they are called homozygous. If they consist of dominant and recessive, then it’s called heterozygous.

We don’t encouraged inbreeding because inbreeding leads to increase of homozygosity - same alleles.

The bad thing is,
if the frequency of recessive, deleterious alleles are high, then it will lead to inbreeding depression, in over time


Added on May 15, 2008, 6:17 pmIn heterozygous, the recessive allele gene will not express.

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post May 15 2008, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(Superkian @ May 15 2008, 02:58 PM)
my 2nd degree friend bought 1 pair of sugar glider,i think he gona breed the sugar glider,so it can inbreeding or not?
and tat,it is possibe to rear not yet open eye small sugar glider?so tat it will stick to the owner as it parent.can survive or not?
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I'm really concern with the part you said about eyes not open..... seriously too young and 90% can die in anyone's hands if they do not make an incubator, they do not stimulate the joey to defecate and aid digestion and definitely needs proper joey milk. I have experienced with different joey ages before, and those that I had that had their eyes still closed died even after I provided all the necessity. This is why I said 90% can die....

QUOTE(emino @ May 15 2008, 03:12 PM)
Okay. Now I'm in the mood to continue the story... I mean experince on neutering Teddy...

I pointed at the bonding pouch hanging on the wall. "Where?" Bonai asked? "It's there! Cant you see it?!!" "Nop." confirmed Bonai as he continues to chatter with Jack.

Oh wait, that comes a bit later. Heres the continuation...

It's 3pm. I almost finished scanning the documents at work. Worried about Teddy, I picked up the phone and called Yeoh Vet. A familiar voice was answering the phone, politely I may add. I asked about the operation. The person who answered my call says the operation was successfull and I can picked Teddy as soon as possible.

So I packed up my stuffs, leave some documents unscanned and confirms with the staffs whether they will be needing me. They dont. I raced downstairs (because waiting for lifts is so overrated) and starts heading to PJ using my bike.

The way back to the clinic is not as difficult as the first time. I managedd to get to the vet in about 20 minutes. Just as I was about to ring the bell, I can saw from outside that the staffs there are playing with Teddy. I am so excited. It seems that Teddy is active enough to play already. So I rang the bell and the staffs there let me in.

There are 2 woman there this time. The first one is the old lady I met in the morning. The other is a woman in around her late 20s and she wears something that looks like a nurse's uniform. After confirming my identity and stuffs like that, I have aa chat with the woman, who is apparently the vet's asistant.

The operation went really well. Teddy wasnt resisting much, and he doesnt crab and bite the doctor, which is very good. And after the operation, Teddy was unconcious for a few hours due to the anesthatic. But 1/2 hour before I arrive, he wakes up and in a very playful mood. The asistant and the secretary then entertains him during that time. She also mention about the stiches that was applied to the 'balls' area and they put a bandage around it, but Teddy doesnt like the bandage and took it off. And he seems to groom the area a lot. But other than that there seems to be no indication of pain or whatsoever from the glider.

I then thanked them both and wanted to thank the vet as well. But hes not there since he goes home already. I asked the people there to convey my thanks to the vet and started to head for PetShack. Woohoo!

The journey to PetShack was... Interesting. Apparently I manage to get myself on a highway to Cheras, then suddently I'm in Subang. And after a few hours under the hot blazing sun, I finally arrives at PetShack sometime around 5.15. Wow.

After that is another few stories... Haha... Tak payah cerita pun takpa. Bosan2 je. Let just say its a story that involves Me, Joan, Jack, Bonai, Pennywise and a praying mantis. tongue.gif
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Yay for Teddy.... Interesting story hahahah.... anyway, Teddy's new friend will be ready in about 3 weeks time.
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post May 15 2008, 10:10 PM

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Hun, update the Petster thing k... Hope i can go both days... blush.gif
So free on weekends... Gosh, wanna meet u guys asap.. drool.gif
First hand experience with all of SG Forumers!!! hehe Thanks Hun for updating ur joeys list! rclxms.gif
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post May 15 2008, 10:14 PM

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BIG BIG EVENT!!!!!

1st June. Please head over to Ikano. It is Petster's Small Animal Day!!!! Bring your hamsters, gliders, ferrets or any animal that is easy to carry around.

There will be glider talk on 31st May and 1st June. Both days also same talk by me. But I would say let us make a glider gathering on 1st June since it is a Sunday.


Added on May 15, 2008, 10:19 pm
QUOTE(yeeyang @ May 15 2008, 02:47 AM)
Thx u guys for ur help. So hun, will see u on wednesday right? Another question, i have bought some slurps and kept it in the freezer, wondering how should i serve it? dish it out cold or mix it with fruits?
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Oh, so you are hear as well. Heard you got a joey from Pet Shack. Anyway, yes, the Slurp needs to be in the freezer. You should serve 1 teaspoon a day. Do not mix with fruits as the glider won't eat the fruits but lick all the slurp. Suggested feeding is feed Slurp once a day, either day or morning. Then feed fruits for the next meal.

Yups, see you on Wednesday.

QUOTE(Pennywise @ May 15 2008, 11:19 AM)
Hun,
Welcome back. I look forward to attend you talk on glider as well. Please provide us a time and date when you found out ok?

By the way, how is the other joey? Has she been tamed now? Better?
bonai, emino, sharil_routh,
Nice to meet you all at Pet Shack. It seems that Pet Shack is now the official hangout spot for LYP.net members.

Sorry, could not stay for long, I had to pick up the cage and leave yesterday to avoid the jam. I noticed bonai with glider without bonding pouch, ya? That's real cool to get it bonded so closely.
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1st of June. I will update the 1st page. Time still dunno yet.

The joeys are alright. Crabby but not so bad now. Need a little more handling and taming then they will be ready for you.

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post May 15 2008, 10:24 PM

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ok chun.. go and support Hun! =)
guyz bring banner k when she talk?

"Vote for Hun for a better Glider Future..pangkah (x)" =P hehehe


Added on May 15, 2008, 10:28 pmor we carry banner..
we want slurp
we want slurp..
we want slurp..


Added on May 15, 2008, 10:38 pmit's confirm.. i'm gona have a baby boi soon.. baby joey boi soon i mean.. male.. =P 8 more weeks to go.. =P

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post May 15 2008, 10:52 PM

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got free slurp kah?lol we wan freebies tongue.gif
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No, there are no freebies as it is not a promotion for my products lah. It is a talk on basic care, introduction to gliders and also to educate.
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really wish to go for that event.. but.. may b cannot go.. coz i m having my holidays after 23rd.. go back hometown lo...

but... juz send my regards here to Hun, if i not able to carry the banner there lo..hahaha.. good lucks.. n all the best, Hun..

Hun, when will u come to limkwokwing..

bcoz, i m having final now.. no time to go pet shack to buy pet own milk...
if u come to cyber... i hope u can help me buy the milk there... coz i know u alwiz go to petshack... i will pay u later..

thx in advance...
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post May 15 2008, 11:08 PM

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well,ok.but is second degree friend,so i hard to advise him,not close at all.just know who is him..
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post May 16 2008, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ May 15 2008, 10:14 PM)
Oh, so you are hear as well. Heard you got a joey from Pet Shack. Anyway, yes, the Slurp needs to be in the freezer. You should serve 1 teaspoon a day. Do not mix with fruits as the glider won't eat the fruits but lick all the slurp. Suggested feeding is feed Slurp once a day, either day or morning. Then feed fruits for the next meal.

Yups, see you on Wednesday.
1st of June. I will update the 1st page. Time still dunno yet.

The joeys are alright. Crabby but not so bad now. Need a little more handling and taming then they will be ready for you.
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I had thought that you missed my post but am glad that you replied to it. Thank you very much. I am also glad to hear that the other joey is more responsive to humans now, not so crabby.

Anyway, a small question about slurp. If in the morning, we feed them ONLY gliderslurp, one teaspoon each, can or not? I mean, I dont know the minimal amount to give. Should we have a selection like slurp + fruits or just slurp is enough? What if one joey eat all and the other is left hungry? Do they know how to ration it among themselves?
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post May 16 2008, 01:51 AM

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i wish i have a camera..

so i can post so many pics of the gliders here..
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theres a gath in pet safari? the place that sell the underage joey? huhu..
can i join if i dont have anything to do on those days? i think it would be great to have a "sifu" to explain everything about gliders..=)
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post May 16 2008, 07:15 AM

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just went to pet safari ikano
near the counter got a cage full of baby suggie
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so sian
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QUOTE(mamata @ May 16 2008, 07:15 AM)
just went to pet safari ikano
near the counter got a cage full of baby suggie
15 ++

so sian
haiz
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Awal pulak Pet Safari bukak ek? Haha~
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QUOTE(mamata @ May 16 2008, 07:15 AM)
just went to pet safari ikano
near the counter got a cage full of baby suggie
15 ++

so sian
haiz
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y sian? so sigh?
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My housemate got 2 suggie...
so cute...
I like the way they poo n pee on my hand..
hahaha...


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