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 Intel Celeron (E1XXX) & Pentium Dual Core E2XXX, Discussion & Compilation [v2]

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kmarc
post Apr 2 2008, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Apr 2 2008, 06:50 PM)
My E2160 @ 333*9 3ghz 1.3811v in BIOS selection, BIOS reads 1.3600v while CPU-Z reads 1.352~1368v.
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Mine only slightly better. 336*9 @ 1.375v set in BIOS.

1.360v in windows CPUz idle
1.344v in windows CPUz load (orthos)

QUOTE(flatfinger @ Apr 2 2008, 07:15 PM)
its depend on what mobo u r using...last time when using ds3 board..i also can do 3.0GHz at stock...but after change board to Blood Iron...need to feed voltage

kmarc...my Blood Iron board have stable vdroop at 0.032v...my stable setting

3.0GHZ 333x9
vbios = +25.0mv
CPUz idle 1.360v
CPUz load 1.328v
For mine:

3.024Ghz @ 336*9
Vbios = +50.0mv
CPUz idle 1.360v
CPUz load 1.344v

Looks like my vdrop is more and vdroop is less compared to your blood iron....


QUOTE(a1098113 @ Apr 2 2008, 07:46 PM)
well for my e2140 with the abit ip35-e, i can do 3.1Ghz with 1.325V brows.gif but yes again, mine is a gem laugh.gif
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No kidding! 1.325v Bios set or CPUz reading? hmm.gif
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post Apr 2 2008, 09:03 PM

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Most probably BIOS setting... That insane E2160 of his.
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 2 2008, 08:47 PM)
3.024Ghz @ 336*9
Vbios = +50.0mv
CPUz idle 1.360v
CPUz load 1.344v

Looks like my vdrop is more and vdroop is less compared to your blood iron....

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the BI vdroop is mostly at 0.032v...or sometime at 0.016v..depend on the load actually....



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post Apr 2 2008, 10:49 PM

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Yeah... Awesomely low for a cheap motherboard wink.gif Mars has a drop of around 0.02v in BIOS reading.

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Is mars a 6-phase setup or a 4-phase setup like the BI and IP35-E?
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post Apr 3 2008, 05:47 AM

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6 Phase wink.gif What's the difference between these 2?
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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Apr 3 2008, 05:47 AM)
6 Phase wink.gif What's the difference between these 2?
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its for ur voltage regulator power design that supply current to ur board...so 6 phase will used more power consumption than 4 phase board...the advantage of bigger phase mobo is the reduces input ripple current and output ripple voltage...which mean more overclock ability, stable current n smaller vdroop...in other words delivers a cleaner and more efficient power to ur cpu....correct me if im wrong...

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Here's my E2160 OC capabilities....

Didn't really test the OC limits at stock (failed at 2790mhz)..... could be due to low NB strap..... didn't test further after increasing the NB strap....

Other OC results only after 1 hour of orthos....


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flattie:
youre explanation is just about right.

Kmarc:
boss, u surely can OC better lor.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Apr 3 2008, 11:04 AM)
its for ur voltage regulator power design that supply current to ur board...so 6 phase will used more power consumption than 4 phase board...the advantage of bigger phase mobo is the reduces input ripple current and output ripple voltage...which mean more overclock ability, stable current n smaller vdroop...in other words delivers a cleaner and more efficient power to ur cpu....correct me if im wrong...
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wrong :S


6-phase is more efficient. since the stress on the mosfet is distributed over 6 instead of 4. hence a lower general temp on the mosfets and chokes

mosfets and chokes perform more efficiently when it is cooler, as well as a better cleaner voltage (depending on the filter used)



source: http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets2/8/0uj...fyut2u2qopy.pdf

Page 5: Figure 5, Figure 6 and Figure 7 is the explanation of the efficiency.

This chip is an example of all mosfet's characteristics, that the efficiency and stability drops when temps go higher

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 3 2008, 01:55 PM)
Here's my E2160 OC capabilities....

Didn't really test the OC limits at stock (failed at 2790mhz)..... could be due to low NB strap..... didn't test further after increasing the NB strap....

Other OC results only after 1 hour of orthos....
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go for 3.2GHz-3.4GHz lor...

QUOTE(bryanyeo87 @ Apr 3 2008, 05:44 PM)
wrong :S
6-phase is more efficient. since the stress on the mosfet is distributed over 6 instead of 4. hence a lower general temp on the mosfets and chokes

mosfets and chokes perform more efficiently when it is cooler, as well as a better cleaner voltage (depending on the filter used)
source: http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets2/8/0uj...fyut2u2qopy.pdf

Page 5: Figure 5, Figure 6 and Figure 7 is the explanation of the efficiency.

This chip is an example of all mosfet's characteristics, that the efficiency and stability drops when temps go higher
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aiyaa...u read correctly or not...did i say 6 phase no good ka??? sure its better than 4 phase....4phase<6phase<8phase<12phase doh.gif read it back lor.... whistling.gif

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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Apr 3 2008, 06:05 PM)
go for 3.2GHz-3.4GHz lor...
aiyaa...u read correctly or not...did i say 6 phase no good ka???  sure its better than 4 phase....4phase<6phase<8phase<12phase doh.gif  read it back lor.... whistling.gif
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Yeah... I get the impression bryanyeo87 had misunderstood.
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@kmarc
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No kidding! 1.325v Bios set or CPUz reading?


BIOS set.

@flattie
i said your explanation is just about right because of this particular statement you made, otherwise it would have been wrong like Bryan pointed.

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the advantage of bigger phase mobo is the reduces input ripple current and output ripple voltage...which mean more overclock ability, stable current n smaller vdroop...in other words delivers a cleaner and more efficient power to ur cpu....


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Bryan has given a good explanation on 6-phase, he hasnt misunderstood, he is not old yet brows.gif By the way, hows your proc doing?
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Apr 3 2008, 11:04 AM)
its for ur voltage regulator power design that supply current to ur board...so 6 phase will used more power consumption than 4 phase board...the advantage of bigger phase mobo is the reduces input ripple current and output ripple voltage...which mean more overclock ability,stable current n smaller vdroop...in other words delivers a cleaner and more efficient power to ur cpu....correct me if im wrong...
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i did not misunderstand la doh.gif
@ bolded parts,

my post at #750 it was meant for this statement


forgot to mention also,
vdroop and vdrop is not determined by the phases power available to the cpu. It is dependent on the controller chip installed by the manufacturer.

Just that they have reasons why to allow a larger swing in accordance to Intels specifications for power delivery and may differ from manufacturer to manufacturer

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here's my e2140. bios set

3.25ghz @ 1.325v
3.4ghz @ 1.425v
3.6ghz @ 1.525v (trying to get it stable)
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noted about the bold part.. tongue.gif

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yours is unbeatable la... mine is only demigod to your proc brows.gif
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Apr 3 2008, 09:02 PM)
here's my e2140. bios set

3.25ghz @ 1.325v
3.4ghz @ 1.425v
3.6ghz @ 1.525v (trying to get it stable)
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What do you guys do? Buy 10 procs and search for the best one? tongue.gif

Anyway, I roughly know the capabilities of my proc. Once I get a graphic card this weekend, gonna try it out on the E2160.

Gonna see whether there is any difference in OCing using 8-pin +12v versus 4-pin +12v.....

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yeah kmarc something like that lar.. but mine was picked by the master bryan ler. he is sifu in picking the best hardware! brows.gif
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