gosh, i was actually joking when i said MArch=masters degree.

i'm actually planning to go for diploma instead of A-levels. but my counselor insists that taking A-levels 1st is...better. so can i take the taylor's diploma after SPM using my forecast results (unless its bad, of which i hope i'll do better in SPM)? and diploma=foundation?

and for me to be a qualified architect, is it a must to study through all six years?

well, normally after SPM/O-levels, u need 7 years to become a fully qualified architect. but there are certain paths that allows u to cut short by one year, one of it is taylor's diploma+degree+masters path. but do note that this is not accredited by LAM, so when u come back to msia, u will still need to sit for the LAM parts 1 and 2 examinations.

the only accredited 6 year paths after SPM are:

i. matriculations (1 year) + part 1 degree in USM, UiTM, UM & UIAM (3 years) + part 2 degree in UTM, USM, UiTM & UM; or
ii. diploma UTM (3 years) + part 2 degree UTM (3 years)

A-levels path will take u 7 years total after SPM, the same with STPM (2+3+2).

and finally, diploma>foundation.

so A-levels is one of the few ways where i can shorten the duration for a year?

does LAM play a big role in becoming an architect? what if i decided to work in other places right after my studies? will i be taking examinations with the body of the place?

A-levels path will take u 7 years.
taylor's diploma path will take u 6 years.

i sure hope u do realize that 7 is more than 6

in malaysia, LAM is the governing body that regulates the architecture profession. the parts 1, 2 and 3 are ur license to practice architecture in malaysia. in other countries, they have their own body that regulates the practice. for example, RIBA for the UK or RAIA for australia. both have its own parts 1, 2 and 3. so if u wanna practice in australia, then u gotta make sure ur degree and masters are certified with RAIA parts 1 and 2.

for part 3 license, u need to practice for about 2-3 years before becoming eligible for the exam. this is ur full practice license.

crap typo i actually meant diploma not A-levels

does part 3>Masters?

what does practicing actually means? is it like, working in a firm for a specified durations?

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Added on April 28, 2008, 8:01 pmoh, if i take the taylor's path, do i have to study through all six years in a shot ?

This post has been edited by aprisis: Apr 28 2008, 08:01 PM

i have finished my diploma course for architecture technology at 0a private college...may i know if i can continue my degree at taylor?

yes, part 3 is bigger than masters. although, some UK universities nowadays have a special masters programme that earns u a part 3 upon graduation. those programmes include practical work as well, so it is normally about 2 years. u do need a part 2 before going for part 3. and since australian part 2 are nowadays awarded via masters, then yes, u will have 2 masters degrees at the end of the day . that is if u're going that way, ofcourse.

but elsewhere in the world, u dont need a masters to sit for part 3. but it does mean u will need to practice for at least 2-3 years. practice here means working in the office doing architectural/design jobs. when u're ready to apply for part 3, u will be issued a log book that consists of everything u need to achieve in order to qualify for the exam. some people take 6 months to complete the requirement, others take 10 years. it depends on what kinda job u do. so it's not just about how long u've worked, but specifically, what work did u do?



and finally, taylor's path is divided into 3 segments: diploma, part 1 and part 2. u could take it in one go, or u could take a break in between them. it's totally up to u.

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Added on April 28, 2008, 8:13 pmyes. but there will be some credit transfers that u would need to do. dont expect to jump straight to final year degree though.

This post has been edited by azarimy: Apr 28 2008, 08:13 PM

um. i think both are around 30+ to 40. both are malays, and she was wearing a tudung. (still don't think i'm of much help here =.=)

actually, he commented that i have a good drawing ^^ and he said 'i don't know what else to ask you' right after i sat down hmm. i really think you guys (UTM lecturers and interviewers) have similar way of thinking. cos' he mentioned the word 'steal' too.

i really don't think i'll get UM (yes, it is my 1st choice =.=), because they specify 'Physics' in their programme requirements and i'm a Biology student (to Azarimy: i actually asked you about it once...long long time ago: does UTM accept bio students?' )

when i ask them (my interviewers): 'so...if UM doesn't want me, can i appeal to UTM?' they said, 'if UM doesn't want you then you'll definitely come to UTM.' is it true? does the system really work this way? but what if too many applicants put UTM as 1st choice? (and you said even if those who got offered don't show up, the places will be given to diploma holders ) i'm still not going to get UTM, right? and then they'll randomly give me something

well, i guess i'd have to find them myself then haha.

anyways, UTM do accept bio students. heck, we prefer a wide range of students with diverse backgrounds. we want from richest to the poorest, the urbanites and the rurals, the science oriented and the art savvy, from the sports jocks to the computer nerds. everyone. we've even had students from STAM (sijil tinggi agama malaysia) who didnt take any science nor arts subjects. it does not matter, coz what u will learn in architecture is fresh. we designed the syllabus to cater for everyone, but at the same time, gear it so that the worst becomes better and the best will flourish.



dont worry about the choices. if UTM have flagged u as "accepted", then if u didnt get UM, u WILL get UTM. it's how the safety net system works. lots of people doesnt know or even understand how it works, that's why u always hear bad things about UPU. the actual system is pretty clear although a bit complex. malaysians being malaysians love to bad mouth things they dont understand .

congrats yuexia

guess u have some good news there

what does that mean?

is completing the requirements as simple as working in the office for some time?

the requirement is quite large and encompassing. the problem here is if the office u're practicing at only focuses on one specific job, or only allows u to focus on one specific job. some of the small offices are just stuck with house renovations and hardly ever gets a full design-from-scratch jobs. in such offices, u'll be hard pressed to fulfill the other parts of the requirements.

in other offices, usually large ones, they prefer specializations where u are put where u're really good at. what if u're really good with computers and producing drawings? it means u'll hardly meet any clients, consultants or suppliers, let alone going for site visits or construction appraisals. so how do u fulfill those requirements?

hence why i said it depends on what job u do, not how long u do it. if u keep repeating doing production drawings for even 10 years, u still wont qualify for a part 3.

to *serenity*: well, i wouldn't say that it's good news yet...but i do really really hope so

eheh...sorry for not being helpful at all...my vocab for describing people is veryvery limited

but why does this --- --- sounds like universities brochures? but it's a comfort to know that you really do mean what you say. i have talked to 2 UTM Arch students before (one in first year, the other in 6th year cos' he took the diploma course) and from what they told me i can tell that they really enjoy their university lives and also the environment. at that point i thought to myself, 'if a student can enjoy him/herself That much in a school, then it must be a very good school indeed.'

gosh. am i allowed to do random chit-chat here? everyone here seems to be asking questions or answering people's questions most of the time

This post has been edited by yuexia: Apr 29 2008, 04:47 PM

so..it's better to be a jack of all trades?

LOL, it does sound like a university brochure haha. i'll try and keep it short but real next time .

almost all architecture schools are built upon the notion that students are there to have fun. remember that the lecturers were once architecture students too, and most of them are more playful than the students themselves, especially those trained overseas. it's not just about having fun in class, but they even designed the syllabus to ensure that there's always something exciting in every project. i used to teach 1st years (FUNdamental), and i usually design my projects to be fun and student oriented. last time we did a medieval themed projects, starting from designing their own medieval/mystical characters, designing their costumes and weapons, and eventually designing their abode or throne. oh we built a functional balista and a trebuchet (medieval siege weapon) about 1/5 scale . and we even submitted our costume entries in the comic fiesta 2005 cosplay competition in balai seni lukis negara. oh yes, they do build the costumes and weapons.

each and every tutor may bring their own interests to the project. some enjoy doing real projects (with real clients and budget), some enjoy philosophical approach, and some people like me prefer to make it really fun by injecting elements of scifi and fantasy. but these are 1st years, ofcourse. in the upper years, projects get more real, more complex and relatively harder. so any architecture school MUST try to always keep the students interested in the projects, bcoz they're hard and requires exemplary rigor. so imagine if the projects are boring...

it's not about being jack of all trades. it's about gaining enough experience to become a fully qualified architect. the experience listed by LAM covers all major skills that u need to be well experienced at. u cant call urself an architect if u dont know how to handle a client, could ya? architects are naturally all-rounders, but they do have special skills at something which they're really good at. what i'm trying to say is, if u see an architect being good at something, it is bcoz he wants to be good at it. it doesnt mean he doesnt know anything else. as we see it, an architect can only specialize after he's proven that he's good at everything else.

i see.

azarimy, i was wondering if u complete all six (or seven) years at a time or separately?

i went through the diploma+degree in UTM for 6 years straight (3+3).

Is this true for the USM interview? the answers wont affect the outcome? Cos I answered a question wrongly. I wont tell you what question it is because i'm too embarassed that i got it half wrong (it was a slip of the tongue/lapse in concentration... REALLY!)

Hint: the answer involves the name of one of the "big" people in our country... hehe

This post has been edited by bononoz: Apr 29 2008, 10:02 PM

i wouldnt happier to say yes, but that would be wrong. the truth is, i have no idea how USM conducts their interviews, and i would be way out of my line to say anything about it here.

Azarimy, wanna ask something.

which IPTA in malaysia have LAN accredited degree course for Naval Architecture or Marine engineering?

from poli diploma in architecture, can we enter naval architecture or marine engineering?