If I am not mistaken, you will have to take take the LAM - PAM exams later on if you want to practice Architecture in Malaysia. However, you do not have to take the LAM - PAM exams if you want to practice outside of Malaysia.

Azarimy, correct me if I am wrong.

"The Architectural Science programme is a 3+0 degree course that leads to Bachelor Degree in Applied Science in Architectural Science awarded by Curtin University of Technology and equivalent to the Part 1."

source : http://www.limkokwing.edu.my/v6/academic/archi_as.asp

Assuming that the degree from LKW is a Curtin B. Applied Sc. (Arch. Studies)
It would appear that you do not have to take Part 1 based on the list given at

http://www.lam.gov.my/List/Australia.htm

Look at number 13.

Your main concern should be this

"The Board's list of recognised architectural programmes refer to the full time programme conducted by the university/institution concerned at its main campus. Students are therefore advised to note that the recognised list does not automatically cover twinning programmes or programmes by cooperation (based on franchise) or other forms of arrangement or understanding between recognised oversea/local universities and non-recognised local institutions.

Students who obtained their Degrees in Architecture from such a programme will be required to appear for the Part I and II Examination conducted by the Architectural Examination Council of the Board."

Source : http://www.lam.gov.my/accreditationlist.html



correct me if i am wrong


This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Apr 19 2008, 10:29 PM

According to the list, the University of Melbourne is also accredited by LAM - PAM in both Part 1 & Part 2. Is that true?

Considering that LAM - PAM does not accredit twinning programs, LIMKOKWING & Taylor's Architecture students will still have to sit for the LAM - PAM's Part 1 & Part 2 exam in the future am I right?

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Apr 19 2008, 10:58 PM

we shall wait for azarimy to reply on this. Besides, I do not know what LAM meant when they say 'non-recognised local institutions'. Does this mean accreditation by LAM or MQA? I would assume that it is LAM. If that is so, I do not know if they recognise institutions instead of their individual programmes. Either way, I am still unsure if LKW would fall under either category so as to escape the provision I pasted above.


I do not know how it works for LKW (curtin degree) because the statement made by LKW appears ambiguous.

In a way they are saying that it is equivalent with the Part 1 (though they did not state Part 1 in Aus or Malaysia, however it seems safe to assume it is the Part 1 for LAM). However, what do they mean by equivalent or equivalent in what sense? They did not expressly say that students will be exempted from the Part 1 test as required for those who did not obtain their recognised/accredited degree in the main campus.

They might just simply meant to say that the degree is equivalent to the one in Curtin and since the Curtin degree is recognised in itself then it is considered equivalent to Part 1. They did not address the overriding circumstances of a graduate required to appear for the Part 1 test if they did not obtain the recognised degree by full time study from the main campus.


There are some degree certificate which does not state the mode of study whether at the main campus or elsewhere but it will probably be stated on the transcripts.

If it is not stated on the transcript or the degree cert then I doubt the overriding circumstances would apply as the degree and transcripts from a student who did his degree from LKW will be an exact mirror of those who did it in Curtin.

This is important when it comes to registration as a graduate architect because both the degree cert and the transcripts are required
http://www.lam.gov.my/architects.html

nb: when I mention accredited/recognised, I meant accreditated/recognised by PAM - LAM.



correct me if I am wrong because this is not my area of specialty. I am just checking for someone I know.

This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Apr 19 2008, 11:23 PM

forget about my last question. already made up my mind. actually the prob is mine to be solved by myself.

i'll go for architecture diploma if i got politeknik. huhu. don't want to think any longer. and hope i make the right choice.

if got matric then i'll go for engineering since I will not be able to stand a chance to enter architecture during interview process. cannot afford IPTS.

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 20 2008, 12:56 AM

in my experience, the making of a good architect comes from all sorts of reasons. there's no one sure fire way to excel or fail. but one common element that u need is passion. as long as u've got the drive, i'm pretty sure u're in the right track . all the best!


refer to schizo's post, which are generally correct.

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Added on April 20, 2008, 1:30 amyes for both questions.



LAM is referring that it does not recognize the programme, not LAN/MQA. and they recognize individual programmes (part 1 or 2). usually most schools have both programmes recognized, so LAM would issue a canvassing statement that it recognizes the school. for UIAM, for example, only their part 1 programme is recognized. they still need to work for part 2.

none of LKW degree/diploma is accredited by LAM.



equivalent means "with that degree, u can take the Part 1 (or Part 2, whichever applicable) examination". u see, diploma is sub-part 1. so if u take diploma, in almost no way would LAM allow u to take part 1 exam, bcoz u're considered not qualified. it's like trying to take the exam with SPM.

so instead of using the word non-accredited Part 1 degree, they use the word "equivalent to part 1 degree". such degrees does not get any exemption from LAM exams.

This post has been edited by azarimy: Apr 20 2008, 01:31 AM

I have just sent Lim Kok Wing an email seeking a clarification on this matter. I am not hoping a favourable reply as the matter has been clarified by azarimy but it is still better to hear what LKW has to say about this.

If a graduate from LKW with the Curtin degree decides to continue with his Bachelor of Architecture in Curtin which is recognised by LAM as a part 2 qualification, then must the graduate take a part 1 examination conducted by LAM in order to register as a graduate architect or will the Part 2 qualification extends recognition to the Part 1 qualification as well?

I'm thinking of going into architecture for my study then i'll go for naval architecture for my practise. Since both have arts and engineering applied. i think i'll suit it.

just my 2 cents. 12may is the determining factor. either i go for engineering or architecture.

12 may= daftar matric.
12 may= result politeknik kluar.

huhu. why do they have to be at the same time.

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 20 2008, 02:40 AM

i cant give definitive answer, as i've got atleast 3 different answers given to me.

but here's what i'm sure of:

u cant get part 2 without part 1.

so now we have two scenarios:

i. u do diploma in LKW, then curtin part 1, and eventually part 2. since that's considered twinning, LAM wont recognize it, regardless if u get part 2.
ii. u do part 1 equiv. degree in LKW, then part 2 in curtin. still, ur part 1 is not recognized.

so what happens if u have a part 2 but not part 1? i have no definitive answer.

I've been reading around for architecture. there are a lot people complaining about assignment to be done. But i don't mind to do many assignment as long I can make it right.

Normally, for diploma students, what assignment do they usually have in the first year or first sem? those who already have experience studying architecture or right now studying architecture are encouraged to reply. thanks in advance. I studied "lukisan kejuruteraan" subject during my spm years. will it be applied in architecture?


@azarimy. Is it true that sometime lecturer from university come to politeknik to give lectures?
sorry for asking to much question.

who earn more? naval architect or building architect? from what i know, if normal architect pursue naval architecture field, he'll have some problem for his part 3.

edited: do construction like SMART tunnel & projects Dam requires architect or it just the engineer to design it?

added: hey. i found this link. haha. it's like the sims do try their design studio.

Architect Studio 3D

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 20 2008, 08:41 PM

The road system, bus stop placement, and the overhead bridge placement in my area is horrible to say the least, they are badly planned, inefficient, and placed in non strategic locations. (The road designs are very bad!) In addition, there is also no coordination between the buildings and the road system at all; it is as if the road system have got nothing to do with the buildings that sits besides them at all! Even worst still, the public transport system do not lead to the buildings as well (!), it is as if they do not like to have anything to do with the buildings at all! The bus stops are either placed in very bad locations or are totally non-existent in the areas that basically needs them the most; making the potential of those locations for catching public transports wasted. All of this certainly make the public transport system really inefficient! No bus stops are placed beside the prominent buildings, no bus stops are placed on the other side of the overhead bridge to facilitate transits to the opposite direction, and no bus stops are placed near enough to the main buildings. If public consideration was what they were looking at, then bus stops should not be sting upon! For example, instead of trying efficiently to place a single bus stop in between two communities in such a way that both communities have to walk an equally long distance to it; why not just place a bus stop beside each community to facilitate the efficiency needed??? (Not to mention that it would be another half an hour to a full hour wait if one misses the bus!!) That is not all, the worst of the worst is when there is no bus stop located nearby one's place of work, and a terribly long walk to the nearest bus stop is required for catching the buses!!! (We are talking about a modern city here!)

Anyway, the main question that I would like to ask is;

If someone have to be the one to revamp/re-plan/re-design the inefficient design above to a much more efficient design, who will it be? (It all involves the re-planning and the re-designing of the roads and the entire city in general.)

This thought came across my mind just now.

I am interested to know whether can the Architect do it?

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Apr 20 2008, 04:31 PM

i. in architecture, u only have assignments for other subjects than design. but these assignments are minuscule and does not take a lot of ur time. so what keeps architecture students busy?

design projects. these are what takes the bulk of the time. u've done eng. dwgs. how long does it take for u to produce a single complete drawing? 1-3 hours? a complete set would take 20-30 hours easily. ofcourse, u just cant sit down and do just that for 20-30 hours straight. so u spread it throughout the week, maybe 4-5 hours per day. no big deal, right? well, that's just producing the drawings. we havent talked about approving a design yet.

usually, every week u will come up with a proposal, and these will be scrutinized, criticized and developed as part of the design process. and every week u'll restart or atleast redevelop ur design after each crit sessions. so u're continuously doing this every week, progressing and developing ur design to achieve perfection or atleast until ur tutor couldnt find anything wrong with it. why does it take so long to produce a design? bcoz the thinking that goes behind it. ofcourse, u could come up with just a crappy design, but that's not why u wanna be an architect, is it?

ii. and yes, eng. dwg will be used quite alot.

i. not that i'm aware of. maybe other universities do.

ii. i dont know who earns more at the end of the day. the starting pay is about the same, but i dont know the ceiling of naval architecture.

if u pursue naval architecture, u're not practicing architecture anymore, but a totally different field. part 3 does not apply. u could take ur part 3, but that would mean u still need to practice architecture (not naval), get ur part 3, but eventually u wont be using it if u continue in naval.

iii. smart tunnel and dams are engineers'. architects have no parts in it.

those are town/city/regional planners, road-transport engineers and urban designers' job. architects have no part in it, unless he is a certified or an expert in any of those fields (usually by accumulating 10-15 years experience in those fields, or by taking masters/phd in those fields). architects COULD try and involve themselves in those fields, but they'd be stepping on a lot of toes.

My colleague called up limkokwing (i'm working at studylink), the person in limkokwing said there will be people from curtin who come over to limkokwing to assess the students before awarding them the degree.
Thus, the cert will be directly from Curtin Uni itself.

Does this mean that it'll be accredited? I've emailed lam and I'm waiting for their reply.

After a lot of thinking. I finally get it.

Actually, how much we earn as starting don't matter much. fo me, what matter the most is the job opportunities. everyone is pursuing engineering. from my survey which i do by asking around. most of them don't want to go into architecture because of long time taken to get their degree. Architect need at least 6 to 7 years to be part 2 architect. almost the same like doctors or maybe even longer than doctor.

For architecture, an architect value increase over time because more experienced architect have more knowledge which lead to more new idea. they're like antique's. the older they are, the higher their value.

@azarimy, do you mind telling what need to be prepared for pursuing architecture using matriculation route. my mom wants me to go into matric. so, i don't want to dissapoint her. i need to know what portfolio i need to prepare in order to continue my degree in prestigious school like UTM.

so far, from your previous post, i need to get 3.5 in my matriculation, and portfolio. i need some info regarding the portfolio.

if i enter my degree from my matriculation, i need to start my degree from 1st year am i right?

normally, UTM accept how many student from matriculation to enter their architecture degree course? and normally, how many matriculation grads applied for architecture in UTM?

@azarimy, after u finish ur phd, you're going to teach diploma student or degree student?

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 21 2008, 03:58 PM

hi, i'm currently studying in the foundation program of architecture and environmental design in IIUM. i'm about to finish the foundation program, and the program-selection for the main campus (degree) has already been made by the students. we are still waiting for the results of which degree program we will be studying in from the main campus.

i chose ID for my first choice. (it is actually under Applied Arts programme, but students will be majoring in ID, industrial design and conservation in the 2nd year). so, the problem is, i'm afraid that i won't be accepted to further my studies at the main campus.

therefore, what can i do for alternatives? i mean, should i apply for other unis' ID degree program (i.e, UiTM)? or should i apply for a diploma program instead? or should i repeat foundation? and, if i'm to apply for UiTM's ID degree program, what else can i do, as the dateline for the application has already passed.

please help me!! i don't know what to do T_T

no. that's the very meaning of a twinning/collaborative/partnership programme. what LAM wants is for students to study at one place for a degree/diploma entirely, and assessed internally by that very institution. it means if u start ur 1st year in LKW, it'd better be in LKW until u finish ur degree. the fact that LKW needs curtin's personnels to assess their students means they cant independently award the degree themselves. such are the things that LAM would look out for. it opens to a lot of trouble for the students and practice later on, so LAM just wouldnt bother recognizing them.

basically what LAM wants is for a school to be independent on its own right.

i. if u're talking about job opportunities, then i'd have to say architecture have wider and more job opportunities than naval architecture. extremely.

ii. u would need at least 3.50cgpa and a portfolio. the portfolio would consist of artworks or designworks that u've done in the past. i think i've written the details of a portfolio in the FAQs. go check it out. the requirements' the same for all level. since u've done lukisan kejuruteraan before, it'd be best if u could include that as well.

iii. yes. matrics will start from 1st year.

iv. UTM takes about 30-40 students from matrics, depending on what they maximum number of students for that year. it is 50% of the total student intake for a year, where the other 50% would be from STPM. the max number have been reduced beginning 2007 from 100 students per year to about 60-70 students only. this is to make room for more diploma based students to join UTM at 2nd year (which should be about 40 of them).

as i've said before, UTM favors diploma students, especially from polytechnics. if u think u can score matrics and have a good chance of going through, by all means, do it. u'll save 2-3 years at least. but if u think u cant or u dont wanna strain urself competing at matrics level, then poly is the way to go. do note that other universities do not have a large provision for diploma students.

v. after i finish my phd, i'd be in the degree school in skudai.

1st, i dont really know how IIUM conducts their foundation-to-degree selection, so i cant give my opinion in that. however, answering ur question, i'm not sure if UiTM accepts IIUM's foundation programme for degree intake. this is bcoz the general policy in IPT is that they dont recognize other university/college's foundation programmes. so u need to check this out.

but u still could apply their diploma programmes (bcoz they require SPM, not STPM). UiTM has two intakes per year. check out the december/january intake. there's nothing u can do for the july intake as the deadline's way passed already.

Why do UTM reduced student intake?

is it because to maintain the quality and privileges or because they don't have much lecturer?

err... i've mentioned before: to take more diploma students.

UTM architecture degree have a maximum of 100 students per year (based on staff:student ratio). for the 2007 batch, they took 60 1st year students. so when they go into 2nd year, the school could take about 25 diploma students into that batch, totalling to 85 students. then in 3rd year, UTM will take another 15 students from UTM KL into that batch.

this move is made in the belief that architecture benefits from variety. in the future there will be more provisions for international students, perhaps up to 15%. but currently there are about 1-2 international students per batch.

owh2. sorry. i'd forgot about the last sentences in your previous post.

so, UTM diploma student will be entering straight 3rd year degree.

while poli and other diploma will be entering the 2nd year.

matric, stpm will be entering 1st year. i see...

so. i finally get it.

UTM diploma student take 6 years to complete degree.
Poli and other diploma take min 7 years.
matric take 6 years.
stpm take 7 years.

i see. my father was ok with me going into poli. although he always wanted me to be engineer. just that, my mom don't like it. because to her, poli have no class. die ckp saya buat malu keluarga je kalo pegi poli. many of my teacher and friends saying that it'll be stupid for me to reject matric and go to poli. kawan2 mak pun sama. sumer duk suruh mak jgn bg saya pegi poli. biasak r org pompuan. potpetpotpet. ni x baik, tu x baik. nnt bile dh loaded suruh gak minang anak die. haha. pdulikkan ape yg sy melalut. because, my brother is doing his medic in egypt under MARA. she also think that architecture is even lower ranked than engineering. hard to convince her. If possible, i want to enter architecture from matric because it'll save me 1 year. but, even if i get into architecture from matriculation, with no basic in art, i afraid that i might have a very hard time in degree.

but, right now, until i can convince my mother. i'll be pursuing architecture using matriculation route. right now, i afraid that i'll not able to catch-up matriculation syllabus.

sbenarnye takut gak nk tolak prmintaan mak. bukan pe. takut nnt kalo bwat perkara x diredhai mak nnt x dpt keberkatan. tu r. mne tau, sbb mak x suke saya bwat architecture, nnt tetiba saya xdpt bawak pelajaran.

@azarimy. is there any possibilities for poli student who perform very well in their diploma to skip into 3rd year instead of entering it in 2nd year?

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 21 2008, 09:43 PM

OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD
I just checked the mohe web and I GOT THE INTERVIEW on this Sun!! *beams* XD
...sorry. couldn't control myself. i simply Have to tell someone >___< cos' i honestly thought i wasn't going to get the interview after all >____<
(um. sorry to interrupt your conversations...ignore me ignore me XD)