so its quite unlikely that i will menganggur after graduating?

i think so. but azarimy once said that architecture world only crave for the best.
i think as long as we have passion towards architecture, we can be among the best.
moreover architect grads have wide job scope. you can work as interior designer, architect, n many more.

lets wait for what azarimy going to say because he have the experiences and knowledge. i'm just giving opinion from what i read around.


@azarimy, i would like to ask you regarding the $1.8m renovation project that you handle.

when we charge architecture fee for the renovation project,it is the architect that will get the commission/fee it or the firm will get the fee? if the architect get the fee/commission, how the firm going to get profit?
how many percent architect fees will be charge for renovation project?

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 18 2008, 05:01 PM

i'm not sure how pilot/aviation does their selection, but if ur statement is correct, it would seem that it is quite a strict selection for a very small number of place. but then again, so is architecture. UTM had to select only 60-80 students out of 1500-2000 applicants each year, UM has an even smaller odds. but u do have a lot of options to study architecture, as well as working after u've graduated.

the way i see it, u could make a deal with ur parents like so:

take up architecture while waiting for the interview for piloting. i mean, u cant exactly be doing nothing while waiting, can u? if they take months to issue a call, then u'd better be spending that time studying for something else as a fall back. so why not take up architecture while waiting? convince ur parents that u will still go for the pilot interview when the call comes through. and if it doesnt, u will still have an equally prestigious profession waiting ahead of u. (ofcourse, u could chose NOT to go for the interview even when they called for u hehhee).

ad far as i know. it takes about 1 year from all 6 stages of selection process to get into MAS/AK cadet sponsorship program. if you want to study in private flying academy such as MFA, you've to wait for ages to get a place in their school. better pursue architecture 1st, then after get da offer you can pursue the piloting. btw, have you place rm10k deposit for placement in flying school?

don't be... yang dikejar x dapat, yg dikendong berciciran.

just go for architecture first, after you get the offer for pilot, only then you make choice.

very unlikely, unless u chose to be so. most of the students would secure a place by the time they did practical training.

the firm will get the fee. it's always the firm. architects are paid monthly salary, the boss included. i dunno much about business, but technically to sustain a business firm, u (the architect) cant take ur earning directly from profit. u set a monthly salary for urself even if u're the boss.

for renovation projects, it's about 9-11% depending on complexity. i cant remember how much we were paid for the renovation project. i wasnt part of that project anymore when they discussed the fees.

gosh...

how can architect survive the living cost for the next 10 years if they only get rm2.2k after 7 year of study?

do boss give special bonus or incentive to architect who were involved in the project for each project finished?

what is the normal increment of an architect per year?

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 18 2008, 06:08 PM

but i thought architects could work pass the retirement age? that time will they still be under a firm or?

well, u cant expect to have a lifestyle of an architect already working 10 years right after u graduate. do the calculations: most people are spending waaay to much than what they earn, just so that they could busk in the professional elite lifestyle. throw away the stuff u dont need, u'll get by easily with RM2200.

i started with RM1900. i saved and managed to send RM700 per month to my girlfriend (now wife) studying in the UK for a year. on top of that i was still able to save money to get married. i can do alot with RM3500 i'm getting right now. there are ways to survive, and architects are supposed to be the best of the survivors.

anyways, if u're working in a firm, u dont usually get an incentive or bonus based on projects, but they do give bonus per year, usually before hari raya or chinese new year, just like any other firms.

architects get an increment of about RM300 to RM500 per year depending on performance. in extreme cases like my friend ramesh (who is now already forming his own firm after teaching part time in limkokwing), he started at about RM2000+, and had an exponential increase of salary. by 5 years he was paid more than RM5000 per month, and almost made partner. but then he quit and joined limkokwing, acquired enough contacts in 2 years, and now is setting up his own firm. and he graduated the same year as i did.

the other way is, firms always look for experience first, skills second and academic achievements last. so wht most people do is to job-hop for 2-3 years. when u join ur first office, just take whatever salary u can get (even if its lower than others), but grab as much experience in a year as u can. after 1 year, hop to another office. by then u've already had 1 year experience, and not a fresh grad anymore. ur salary would differ as much as RM300-500 during this hop. then after a year at the 2nd office, hop again. now u've got 2 years experience. this is another RM 300-500 increase of salary.

but remember, 2-3 job hops are acceptable especially if u're a noob. but if u do it too often (say, 4-5 times in 3 years) or at a yearly basis, firms might not wanna take u in at all. why employ someone who's gonna hop again in a year? firms talk, u know . trust me. boss in one firm knows the boss in the other firm. and they talk. alot. especially if they used to date.

simply put, architects dont retire, bcoz they're not bound under labor laws per se. architects have its own professional code of conduct. there's no difference between working for someone or having others work for u at 55. well, the pay might be different, but there are senior architects who still work for others.

u see, to open a firm of ur own, u need 2 things: a long list of contacts and a huge sum of money. the first is easy to get, but even working 50 years u might not be able to acquire the 2nd.

normally, how much do we need to open our own architecture firm? and what is the advantages of owning our own firm?

5million?

me should be focusing on studying 1st. but i guess it's not wrong to gain more info regarding architecture.

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 18 2008, 08:04 PM

i looked through taylor's, and found that they offer Diploma in Architectural Technology.

does that mean i wont be learning architecture as a whole?

This post has been edited by aprisis: Apr 18 2008, 08:55 PM

about RM500k to RM1mil for a small office with 3-5 members.

the main advantage is u're ur own boss, and u get to steer things to go the way u wanted to. as an architect, this is a very important aspect. my previous boss allowed me to do whatever i deem necessary, hence he's a good boss in terms of letting their employees flourish. but not many bosses are like that. if u think u want a design to be in someway, ur boss would want things to go his way too, and he has bigger ego than u. so many, if not all, architects would eventually end up in their own firm, or become a partner in an already established firm.

also, having the office with ur name on it is cool, no? if u ask me, i wanted to open a multinational design firm like ZDR (zaini dubuz richez, pronounced zaini duboa righz), a KL+paris+new york architecture firm. i did my practical training at ZDR for a while. awesome environment, but too much testosterones in the office. even the women were butch. that's the truest sense of a design firm i've ever been in. if i were to open my own office, it'll be between that environment and google headquarters.

there are lots of other advantages and disadvantages of opening ur own office. dont worry about it, lets move step by step.

when you're working as an architect, do you think architect is more stressful compared to engineer, doctor or accountant?

i don't mind working with starting pay such as rm2k. as long the working condition is comfortable and not so much pressure (that will eventually wearing me out slowly).

your working day seem interesting to me. i hope if i become architect, i'll get the same boss as you did. no pressure. as long as i finish my job and do it right then it's ok. and some appreciation will be nice.

do you mean that there aren't many hot chicks going into architecture field? haha. some hot chick during working will be ok. when studying, it'll be a big no no. afraid will get distracted.


heres some article regarding zaini.

http://www.ytlcommunity.com/commnews/shown...asp?newsid=8688

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 18 2008, 08:47 PM

i dunno. it depends really. each job has its payoff for all the stress and pressure u'd endure. an architect gets satisfaction when their design gets built. even better if it wins recognition or award. but simply being built is good enough.

doctors get satisfaction from curing people, or atleast prolonging a life. dr. house only cares about solving the problem, so he doesnt count . the same is about engineers and accountants.

architects get addicted to stress and pressure, bcoz that's when the adrenaline starts pumping. u work long and hard to produce a design, and all those stress are paid off when u've completed the job. and then u get into another project, and the cycle starts all over again.

a job is stressful if the payoff isnt as great as the stress or pressure. accountants are probably the most stressful of all, as their payoff is only in money. architects perhaps is the best stress:payoff ratio, as we get paid, the design gets built, and later we get the recognition and satisfaction of the client.



there are alot of hot chics in architecture. there's even more lingering around architects hoping to get a piece of designer action, if u know what i mean. moreover:




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WOW!. i never thought that architect is very hot.

yup. one thing that make architect look hot. when they are working on their design. the concentration of getting the job done(for example designing) make women melts.

haha. by being an architect will make me achieve my dream. to be the hottest bachelor. haha. juz kidding.

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Added on April 18, 2008, 11:06 pmbtw. when i have obtain PAM part 2, can i sit for RIBA exam in order to practice oversea?

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 18 2008, 11:06 PM

well, u could. but it depends on where u wanna practice.

Why are Architects sexy people, would you mind elaborating a bit?

What makes them hot?

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Apr 19 2008, 02:01 AM

one might argue that sexy is a subjective thing. but when u get a rather large collection of people saying the same thing, it must count for something .

talking to a few non-architect friends of mine, they generally agree that architects have a certain appeal to them (male or female alike). mostly it's about the high level of confidence throughout, and primarily the alpha male factor applies as well. like the article i've shared earlier, one of the appealing factor about architects is their calmness under pressure. but to me, doctors and lawyers have similar traits as well.

however there's another element that should be considered as well: architects are masters of both arts and science. so they dont really belong in either one of them, but at the same time consist of both.

but all in all, it boils down to the high level of confidence. that's the only thing i find common with everyone i met.

I would like to ask something. It have been a long time since i first post in this thread. So, i would like to ask something really2 important.

I'll have to choose 2 routes after this. matric then engineering. or politeknik then degree architecture.

Can I really go into architecture field? do i actually have interest in it? i'll provide something regarding myself.

About me:

I'm 18.

currently just received my spm result.

I've passion towards art. although i'm not a very good drawer(probably same level as grade2 student). i've interest in art. i always imagine myself being a good drawer like comic drawer. and i like to see art & painting. During in high school. i always adore my friends who can draw good cartoon and produce some artwork that make people amazed. sometime i become jealous towards them because i always want to be a good drawer like them but i just cant because i can't draw/sketch well

I've also have passion towards engineering and science. i love to see thing move. to see how thing work. i always have ideas for making something like environmental friendly and powerful car engine. my father and my family always wanted me to go into engineering fields.

If i choose architecture, will i be able to put both of my passion into a piece of work? One of my idol is Leonardo da Vinci. he is both architect, artist, and engineer. for example. I'm impressed with lamborghini car engine. it have both power and beauty. If i choose architecture, will i be able to make the same thing like lamborghini engine only that I'll apply it to building. or the Beijing National Stadium which have nickname bird nest and KLIA international airport and Islamic architecture like "Masjid Cordova".

One thing that i've always wanted in architecture is the ability of drawing and arts that can be applied when i'm working. I always wanted to do something that is like life-long learning while working. meaning that, while working, i'll also learn a new thing.

I dont like to work under pressure. As long i can get it done and make it right and the client happy. It's ok with me. People also said that money doesn't matter when it come to working as long you have interest in it. But for me, money do matter. because after long time of studying i want to at least impress my parents with my job before they leave me. i want to make them proud of their son. I'm interested to architecture because i can go outdoor for my work. same applies to engineering where i can get to look how machine work.

Do you guys think i can be a good architect?

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 19 2008, 05:26 PM

I think generally all Art individuals are sexy and hot people. Perhaps it could be because they are naturally expressive, outgoing, sociable, creative, and free thinking individuals, and that they are also often rebellious, chaotic, messy, unpredictable, uncontrollable, erratic, random, and emotionally motivated individuals as well.

I also noticed that Art individuals generally do not like to be bounded by rules of any sort, they tend to prefer more freedom of expression. If I am not mistaken, I also heard that Art individuals tend have disorders and mix personalities.

Based from what I see, Art individuals are people oriented, and humanistic as well.

This is so contrast from the Engineering & Technology robots, where those nerdy individuals are often lacking in the soft skills, or in the people dealing skills.

They talk like that in real life;

Well, as a matter of fact, our universe contain millions of galaxy superclusters, which in turn contain hundreds of galaxy clusters, which in turn contain thousands of galaxies, which in turn contain millions of solar systems, which in turn contain a few planets, which in turn contain a few moons. : D

Are they boring?

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Apr 19 2008, 09:25 PM

hi

i would like to find out if i study in limkokwing for its part 1 equivalent, must i take the PAM exam since it is using curtin's degree?

thanks