if then, how much porsche do you have azarimy? haha. actually, by being an architect, we can work by ourself. correct me if i'm wrong. moreover like azarimy said, there were only 1600 part3 architect. architect is required in almost anything related to construction.

haha. just my opinion, correct me if i'm wrong.


edited: azarimy, i want to ask something. if an architect design a house, and in the contract he will be given 1% commission. will he get commission for just 1 house or number of the houses built?


just checked my name. haha. i dun get the UTM architecture interview. huhu. pretty sad actually. but there's another route for me to get into architecture.

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 9 2008, 11:24 AM

OK, thanks a lot.

the architect's fees are based on the entire project. if it is a housing project, the architect will receive a percentage of the cost of the entire housing project, everything included, and not just depending on numbers of houses built.

lets take for example, 1 house costs RM200k. in the development, there are 100 houses that totals to RM20mil. lets estimate other amenities like road works, electrical & water supply etc at RM5mil. so the architect will receive a percentage of RM25mil. so individual buildings included, as well as the other costs of the projects that the architect would need to supervise.

also, a semi-detached house is considered as two separate buildings, as well as a row of shophouses. so u will get a fee for the individual buildings.

and to be clear, the minimum fees for the architect is 5.0%, and this is for something that is simple as a gudang, hangar or storage buildings. a house is typically 7.5%-10%.

Azarimy, i would like to ask something. Can architecture grads then add another degree which is naval architecture? do university(IPTA) allow it? does architecture and naval architecture almost the same or just a whole different thing? i understand that naval architecture is about designing a ship and they learn different theories than what is learn in architecture. but, is it possible for people to jump from architecture into naval architecture?

one more thing. Do you find that learning architecture during your diploma and degree interesting? for example, what subject do you think is the most interesting in architecture?

if u're talking about doing a naval arch after finishing ur arch degree, ofcourse u can. what's stopping u? it's just a matter of how much u will use it . the university not allow u to do both at the same time, that's all.

naval architecture is actually more of naval engineering. beats me why they call it architecture. but they do lots of designing, u just simply take one portion out of it - making it beautiful. so all those "i wanna design something gempak; lets design something cool; or jom design kapal paling cantik" - all that goes down the drain. u wont be doing any of that. u will be designing something that is purely functional, efficient and practical.

i've had a friend who switched after finishing his arch diploma into naval arch, both in UTM, and he seems to be doing well now. my bestfriend and his wife worked with simeUEP in pasir gudang, occassionally building stuff on oil platforms and marine structures, which is part of naval architecture. both him and his wife are architects, not naval architects though.



well, most of it are interesting. personally i love design, and i love behavioural subjects too. this subject studies about human behaviours and how they respond or affected by their surroundings. this is an applied knowledge that u will use regardless whether u become an architect or not. unfortunately it's just a small component in the entire architecture education syllabus. example on stuff u learn:

i. why people will frequent the booth on the far side of a public toilet rather than the one closest to the entrance.

ii. how to design a kitchen based on triangular action nodes: the fridge (for storing food), the sink/prep (for washing and preparing food) and the stove/oven (to cook).

iii. why living rooms is always centred around the TV first, and not the main window/view.

u will spend most of ur time studying on site rather than reading about it. meaning u'll be interviewing people, observing behaviours from a far, taking videos and so on. what a way to become a stalker

i got info that the interview is going to be held by this coming 25-30april range . so , please get ready .

which interview is that? UTM has already finished its interviews last week.

I am just curious to know what you think;

When comparing Architecture education to Engineering education.

Which is harder, and what makes it harder?

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Apr 13 2008, 12:33 AM

i want to ask something.

if i choose politeknik route it'll be like this

diploma(3 years) + 1 year working experience + 4 year degree = 8 years.

is it too long? since right now i'm 18, by the time i get my degree, i'll be 26. and by the time i start to work, i'll be earning rm2.2k per month. in this case, how to improve productivity and my value so that I can get bigger project?

do part 2 architect can go straight into designing building or they just do drafting job when they started working. normally, fresh part 2 architect will do what kind of work in architectural firm. my question is for freshly graduated part 2 architect.

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 13 2008, 01:23 AM

to me..in my opinion..I shall say...Architecture..lol..i have no idea hows engineering like since I didnt study them so its kinda hard to compare..but if u were to ask architecture vs biotech..i'd still say architecture. lol..

to me which makes it hard is the workload..you also gotta learn the things that other courses do like econs or chem or physics etc...even if its just the basic things..then it comes to the designing part..gotta do a lot of research and thinking and god..thinking can be very tiring..lol..the workload you have, compared to the other courses are like double..i mean..not only you gotta do ur assignments (written or typed; whichever ur lecturer wants..just like the other courses and if written you gotta do lettering ya know.. ) you got to remember also you have your drawings and model to be done..and the submission for ur written assignments and drawing/model might be close to each other or even on the same date..you wont be getting much sleep and prolly wont be eating right..or you wont be able to go back when you have your study break (like whats going on wif me now..) and prolly wont be able to go out and enjoy compared to ur other frens from the other course..

*phew..tiring ya know ;p

but then again..to me..it also falls down to time management laa..if you can manage ur time well enough..no matter how hard or easy the course is..you can cope with it well and score..

but others might have diff views though

Thanks a lot for your views.

So did you find the Architecture education enjoyable? (Do you think it was fun?)

Do you find it interesting?

Do you feel that the time you had spend on your Architecture education was worth it?

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Apr 13 2008, 01:34 AM

yea i did compared to biotech or MUFY or A-levels..i love architecture even if the workload is heavy..even to my friends..we love doing what we're doing and we dun mind the lack of sleep..lol..the challenge in design and other subjects..we might complaint about it but it is still fun for us..

This post has been edited by arcanawar: Apr 13 2008, 01:34 AM

some correction. heh. not for freshly grad part 2 tp answer my question. but what they were doing during working.

This post has been edited by destroyer: Apr 13 2008, 01:40 AM

That's good!

I hope that I too, can enjoy and have fun in the Architecture education like you did!

All the best.

that's about right. and no, it's not too long. in previous system, it could take u up to 10 years to finish ur part 2 degree. but hey, u've already had 1 year working experience. those graduating with u had none. so u'd be paid atleast RM50-150 more than ur STPM->degree friends for ur starting pay.

it depends on ur office. in small firms, they usually give u to do everything, from proposing to designing to visualizing to drafting. it's a one man's job. boss gives u a job, u do everything.

in bigger offices, they can afford to segregate the jobs into designers, technicians, visualizers and so on. so chances are u'd be spending time doing specialized areas and less in other areas. this can be good and bad. good bcoz u can hone ur skills and be the best at ur specific area. but this is bad for ur part 3, bcoz u need experience in all areas.



when i started my practice, i was given two projects to handle on my own, with 2 technicians under me. imagine a noob 23 year old designer having 2 very well experienced technicians aged 30++ to obey all his commands? what an ego stroker that was. but handling everything takes too much time especially when one project is in PJ while the other in keramat. u just dont have time for anything else...

do i find it interesting ? yes..its not a boring subject to me..i am able to express my opinions and thoughts openly in class when we have our presentation..and the discussions that we have with the lecturers regarding designs, or about the understanding of architecture..or on other issues is very interesting too..and of course the other part that is interesting is the traveling..lol..

worth it ? yes because i wanna be an architect..so whatever time i had spent on my work is well worth it to me..plus u gotta remember..i'm enjoying every bit of it.. but i have yet to graduate from part 1..hehe

so is it better to be in a small office then ? about the drafting for small offices..will it be done wholly by the technicians right down to the details and rendering ?

most of the time, small offices dont even have a technician/draftperson post to boot. and even if they do, they're the ultimate b****es, serving their masters LOL. so if u wanna become a technician/draftperson, i strongly suggest u join a big office. they pay is better, and ur job is more secure.

becoming an architect in small office has its advantages. if u join early enough, u can become a senior in the firm fairly quickly. u also have a better rapport amongst those in the office. however, the disadvantage is, small offices dont usually get big projects, so ur projects would be from interior designs, renovations and perhaps bungalows. that would mean that small offices have bigger chance of closing down when the nation's economy takes a trip to the bottom.

Good for you.

I am getting nervous about presentations and model making though...

I agree that the traveling part is interesting, recently all of us at Taylors went to K.L. Central to perform our first ever assignment! Later on, we will also be visiting the Pavilion shopping complex in K.L. city and so on so fourth...

Oh yeah, one of our lecturers is the Architect who designed the Pavilion shopping complex. (We will all be going to the place to learn out the secrets!)

There would also be other venues to visit such as the double story sky bridge on the 40+ floor of the Petronas Twin Towers and etc...

The sky bridge of the Petronas Towers looks really nice BTW!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SkyBridge.JPG

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Apr 13 2008, 01:41 PM

my first post. Haha.

hi, i'm a a-levels student here and about to take finals soon. So basically i won't be aiming for local U. And i'm trying and finding it hard to make choices for what i want to do in the future.
I like art though i'm not very good in it (but i took art for spm ) but i decided not to take it for further studies. So i was planning to take biological/environmental science or smtg related to that field because i really like nature and stuff like that. Then one day i stumbled upon landscape architecture which really interest me because it's kind of like a combination of science and art from what i've read. Trying to get more info about it, hopefully this is the right place because it is someway connected with architecture.

Does landscape architecture deals with anything else besides garden, botanic parks and surrounding area of a building?
do you have to take B.Architecture before you can specialize to landscape architecture?
A normal bachelor degree only offer till's part1? so does it means we must continue towards master before we can even be a qualified architect?
a very minimum of studies is five years right?( i nv had any idea bout any part 1 or 2 until i checked this thread out)
What are the propects for landscape architects in malaysia compare to other countries?


if anybody can answer any of my Qs thankyou very much. It'll be really helpful. And really sorry if this isn't the right place to ask.

This post has been edited by teddyen: Apr 13 2008, 10:39 PM