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El Sol
post Jun 26 2008, 11:58 PM

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is it a bad idea to breed my rabbit??

from what I read, if the female rabbit not married she will get cancer is it? I think mine is female..<--I think..not sure yet..

I dun want to spray/neuture them..I think its cruel..

how arh?
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post Jun 27 2008, 12:21 AM

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There is this advertisement on the radio station that encourages spaying/neutering. I believe it is a very good advertisement about people wanting to have their pets experience the joy or motherhood and all of the HOODS.

Rabbit do not need to get MARRIED and that is for sure. As for cancer. Not every human get cancer but the trend is cancer is getting very common.

Let's do some practical weighing here.

Let's just say that a rabbit will 100% get cancer if not "married". So let's think logically. Just because you fear the rabbit will get cancer you go and breed it. Don't you think that the AVERAGE 6 babies will also get cancer and their new owner like you will be scampering for help just like what you are doing?

Another scenario, let's just say not 100% get cancer and you go ahead with breeding. Are you sure that the AVERAGE 6 babies will get good homes?

1 very important thing that I always emphasize on breeding is, you must establish a VERY VERY good reason for doing so. You must make sure that genetically, there are no problem with your rabbit so that you do not pass down problems to the next generation. Coz you will be passing the next generation to someone else and if you pass good stuff, then good for everyone but if you pass bad stuff, it is like passing rubbish to a friend. Do you like your friend passing rubbish to you?

Another VERY VERY important point that I need to stress. You must make sure you want to improve an animal further then only think about breeding. Just breeding buta tuli is not a good idea because it comes back to the same point as above. What do you want to pass on into the world. Rabbit have no brains like humans that can think rationally. Their instinct drives them. So now, my question is, are you allowing your human rational drive your actions or you allow your rabbit's instinct drive you as a human?

We all have to start thinking with our good brains already. We get this question over and over again and as usual, we answer over and over again. But the catch is, POP, there goes another "accidental" breeding...

QUOTE(El Sol @ Jun 26 2008, 11:58 PM)
is it a bad idea to breed my rabbit??

from what I read, if the female rabbit not married she will get cancer is it? I think mine is female..<--I think..not sure yet..

I dun want to spray/neuture them..I think its cruel..

how arh?
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post Jun 27 2008, 02:35 AM

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if what u say is right, why ppl allow those breeders who sell rabbit to breed their rabbit? aren't they passing the bad genes as well??

I mean...If I breed and sell my rabbit..is that OK? <-- for ur info..I'm not planning to sell rabbit

and if I breed and give my babies to my friends for free..that's not OK?

I dun see the logic there..

IMHO..

I think that the trend of encouraging spaying/neutering was a trick by those breeder who sell rabbit(Marketing trick)..<--that's what I think..

CMIIW

and sorry to make u explain so long to Newbie like me..

This post has been edited by El Sol: Jun 27 2008, 02:42 AM
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post Jun 27 2008, 07:31 AM

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That is the problem. A lot of breeders out there breed unethically just for the sake for Money.

Why is spaying/neutering a trick? Spaying/Neutering is the practice of a responsible pet owner. It has got nothing to do with breeders. The owners decide to neuter out of responsibility sake. Spaying/neutering also alter your rabbit's behavior FOR GOOD. People will not end up throwing away their rabbit because their rabbit SPRAY pee at them, mark territory, being aggressive and ETC.

At the end of the day everyone decides for themselves. What I mentioned above was just my opinion why you SHOULD and SHOULD NOT breed. My main point is, because there are already so many irresponsible breeders, let's not add on to it.

I know some may see me as a breeder that does not encourage others to breed. Let me just put it straight. My stand is that I breed for many reasons other than $$$$. My main objective of breeding is to improve the breed that I like so that one day (really hoping hard) that we have better quality rabbits in the market.

One thing I strongly emphasize is that the main criteria one should breed is when they want to improve their rabbits (normally for purebreds).

And I know I may sound bias only allowing purebreds to breed but it should really be that way if we want to improve things. But I guess not everyone share the same opinion so it is alright. I have nothing against the local/mixed breed. They make great PETS and pets normally are not used for breeding.

Don't worry being a newbie and asking questions, everyone here is willing to give their opinion. That is what a forum is for. I am just frustrated sometimes people just like spoon feeding coming here without doing their research (not referring to you).

I just hope you make the right decisions.

QUOTE(El Sol @ Jun 27 2008, 02:35 AM)
@above
if what u say is right, why ppl allow those breeders who sell rabbit to breed their rabbit? aren't they passing the bad genes as well??

I mean...If I breed and sell my rabbit..is that OK? <-- for ur info..I'm not planning to sell rabbit

and if I breed and give my babies to my friends for free..that's not OK?

I dun see the logic there..

IMHO..

I think that the trend of encouraging spaying/neutering was a trick by those breeder who sell rabbit(Marketing trick)..<--that's what I think..

CMIIW

and sorry to make u explain so long to Newbie like me..
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post Jun 27 2008, 08:31 AM

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for my opinion

if u give ur friend are u sure that they 100% can take good care of the rabbit?

i have some friends who breed their rabbit & give to their friends
end up their friends give back to them sweat.gif or she go take back from them cos they dont know how to take care properly

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post Jun 27 2008, 09:12 AM

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why do u say that spaying/neutering is cruel?

have you read enough on the topic to come to this conclusion?

i find that most people cannot accept the idea of spaying/neutering simply because this is a rather new practice in our country. without bothering to understand why it is encouraged, they just open their eyes wide and go into shock when the words spay/neuter is mentioned. i'm not going to go into the pros and cons of it (actually, there are no cons, and lots of pros), i'm sure you can find lots of info on that on the internet.

and how does it amount to a marketing trick? pls enlighten me

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post Jun 27 2008, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(11Jan @ Jun 27 2008, 09:12 AM)
why do u say that spaying/neutering is cruel?

have you read enough on the topic to come to this conclusion?

i find that most people cannot accept the idea of spaying/neutering simply because this is a rather new practice in our country. without bothering to understand why it is encouraged, they just open their eyes wide and go into shock when the words spay/neuter is mentioned. i'm not going to go into the pros and cons of it (actually, there are no cons, and lots of pros), i'm sure you can find lots of info on that on the internet.

and how does it amount to a marketing trick? pls enlighten me
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i think he thinks it's a marketing trick because then ppl won't be able to breed the pets and sell/give to friends. then those pet shop breeders can have the market all to themselves lol.

there's 1 con to spaying, price tongue.gif ok la, not that expensive..
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post Jun 27 2008, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(El Sol @ Jun 26 2008, 11:58 PM)
is it a bad idea to breed my rabbit??

from what I read, if the female rabbit not married she will get cancer is it? I think mine is female..<--I think..not sure yet..

I dun want to spray/neuture them..I think its cruel..

how arh?
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In my pov..and i dont say others its wrong..
i think people should pet a couple of animal..
i tjink it is not good to pet them alone..
animal got feeling like people..
if people cant stay alone,so i think they also can stay alone.
n it is cruel to spaying them...

For Muslim :
Hukum mengkasi binatang yang haram dimakan seperti kucing hukumnya adalah haram. Tetapi harus dikasi binatang yang halal dimakan.
Abbits are halal dimakan..so hukumnya harus
Wallahu A'lam.

http://soaljawab.jais.gov.my/index.php?opt...d=283&Itemid=81
adriel_heresy
post Jun 27 2008, 09:48 AM

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i think the best question to ask here is why would you wan to breed your rabbits?
To get more rabbits? Or do you wan to open up a rabbit breeding farm like beh?

If money is your concern then it is understandable though it is relatively cheap.

if you think that letting them breed is equal to love, then you are wrong here.
in animals kingdom, there are only 2 animals that make love because of love and affinity towards each other.
Human and dolphin. Other than that, they just act base on their instinct. It has nothing to do with love or whatsoever.
This is what I get from internet and may need clarification here.

I’m not sure about spaying and neuter has anything to do with the marketing or not.
But scientifically, it help to remove the reproductive cancers; mostly uterine and mammary cancers.

My rabbits is 4 months old and I plan to have them all 3 spayed and neutered.
Still looking for a good vet around kelana jaya. They are getting very aggressive and sometimes will attack me.
I also need to separate the male and the female to prevent accident happen.
Though that is the real cruel but I know it is best for them for the time being.
At least they get to meet each other everyday for certain duration of times.

nicoty_yne, don have. Yesterday go to ikea and pet safari liaw.
Don have. Which Carrefour have? Near or not to the kelana jaya?


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post Jun 27 2008, 09:52 AM

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that is true.

people need to understand that keeping more than 1 pet is a completely separate issue from breeding. having 2 or more pets does not automatically mean you have to mate them and let them have babies. these pets can live just fine together without babies!
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QUOTE(adriel_heresy @ Jun 27 2008, 09:48 AM)
I’m not sure about spaying and neuter has anything to do with the marketing or not.
But scientifically, it help to remove the reproductive cancers; mostly uterine and mammary cancers. 

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The main idea of spaying/neutering is to prevent more strays on the streets than anything else!

Especially cats and dogs where the owners sometimes let them out to play and later come back and the next thing you know your unspayed pet goes out and impregnates another stray and the stray female produces more stray litters which the Majlis Perbandaran has to clean up. And what happens to the strays that MBPJ/DBKL/etc cleans up? They get killed! Sometimes someone picks up the poor stray and sends it to SPCA and SPCA is bursting at the seams trying to find place to find a place to house all the strays while awaiting adoption. That is more cruel than spaying/not breeding your pet.

End of story.

It just so happened that spaying happens to have other benefits too.
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post Jun 27 2008, 10:05 AM

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there are other reasons to alter rabbits. mainly, to solve behavioural issues - no more aggression, better litter habits, odorless pee, no more spraying pee

i believe for dogs, there are also health related reasons for spaying - to prevent pyometra

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QUOTE(11Jan @ Jun 27 2008, 10:05 AM)
there are other reasons to alter rabbits. mainly, to solve behavioural issues - no more aggression, better litter habits, odorless pee, no more spraying pee

i believe for dogs, there are also health related reasons for spaying - to prevent pyometra
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Aye, I agree.

But the main reason is still birth control (at least in the case of cats and dogs, and even rabbits in certain countries), above health benefits.

I guess until the community is better educated on spaying benefits, the SPCA pitch will still be stray control... which, when you think about it, is quite sad, considering hardly anyone wants to adopt a former stray.
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post Jun 27 2008, 10:44 AM

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is there any age advisable for a rabbit to get spaying? or if the rabbit too young is not good to get spaying?
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post Jun 27 2008, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(jaanu1128 @ Jun 27 2008, 10:44 AM)
is there any age advisable for a rabbit to get spaying? or if the rabbit too young is not good to get spaying?
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http://www.rabbit.org/faq/sections/spay-neuter.html


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When is a rabbit too old to be spayed or neutered?
veterinarians will have their own opinions on this, but in general, after a rabbit is 6 years old, anesthetics and surgery become more risky.
It is always a good idea, in a rabbit over 2 years of age, to have a very thorough health check done, including full blood work. This may be more expensive than the surgery, but it will help detect any condition that could make the surgery more risky. This is especially important if anesthetics other than isofluorene are used.

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post Jun 27 2008, 12:38 PM

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ok, we got all the spay and neuter in rabbits.
so do we have somethings like abortion in rabbits?
i know dog have but do rabbits have it?

i know it's kind of stupid question. maybe just forget it. hahahaha.
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post Jun 27 2008, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(11Jan @ Jun 26 2008, 06:18 PM)
yup, definitely cant find at IKEA.. i'm a regular there too haha and i've checked out hardware shops, etc, basically wherever i go, i keep an eye out for it, but haven't seen any so far

actually, nicotyne, why don't you want to buy the ones you saw in carrefour? it works out to be about rm6per piece right? i think thats ok, SG also selling for S$2/piece.. doubt the price can be any cheaper around here
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Bcoz that one only have 18 grid panels. I need more.. means i have to buy more shelves? blink.gif and that gird are made by cheap metal grade, easy to bend. Dont mean to be stingy, but i want to find things dat worth every cents...
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hehe Luly is so cuet.wht can i do to make my rabbit active.what type of game should i give them..
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QUOTE(pancho @ Jun 27 2008, 09:36 AM)
In my pov..and i dont say others its wrong..
i think people should pet a couple of animal..
i tjink it is not good to pet them alone..
animal got feeling like people..
if people cant stay alone,so i think they also can stay alone.
n it is cruel to spaying them...

For Muslim :
Hukum mengkasi binatang yang haram dimakan seperti kucing hukumnya adalah haram. Tetapi harus dikasi binatang yang halal dimakan.
Abbits are halal dimakan..so hukumnya harus
Wallahu A'lam.

http://soaljawab.jais.gov.my/index.php?opt...d=283&Itemid=81
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Added on June 27, 2008, 1:18 pm
QUOTE(adriel_heresy @ Jun 27 2008, 09:48 AM)
nicoty_yne, don have. Yesterday go to ikea and pet safari liaw.
Don have. Which Carrefour have? Near or not to the kelana jaya?
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Carrefour penang laa tongue.gif . BUt yesterday i ask a fren to check, she said don have. Out of stock maybe.


Added on June 27, 2008, 1:24 pmU guys are discussing about neutering here... actually i also thinking abot neutering the males.. but still looking for the best vet (or at least experienced rabbits vet in penang.

DJSPINET, u know any?

11JAN, i want to ask u since the first time i saw ur nick here... 11jan and SOMEBUNNY are the same person aaaa? Bcoz i wrote to SomeBunny before (in other forum), about my desicion to get Daddy Dino neutered. And until now still cant make up my mind laaa...

I'm also thinking about travelling my rabbits to kl, but i dont want to give any stress to my rabbits.. Travel = long journey = stress. Neutering = pain after surgery = stress. Stress + stress = ?????  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif



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QUOTE(gilz.hippy @ Jun 27 2008, 01:10 PM)
hehe Luly is so cuet.wht can i do to make my rabbit active.what type of game should i give them..
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i believe u mean toys

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...0#entry17646150

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