u tink tat a 6leg spider wont fight in the wild??wat do u mean by cruel??war cruel??u hit mosquito also cruel la..it's jz trying to survive by drinking blood jek..u dun eat meat la...some animal gotta die jz for u stomach ler...  

btw gor,im coming bck tmr...u taking d car??

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Added on February 28, 2008, 8:40 pmoh..my bro(TS) caught a DEMON BUTT BITING spider...
it attacks by bitting the opponents butt...
cheater..

HOLY *%$#!! DAMN, JACK DID IT AGAIN!  

This is THE MOST DANGEROUS FS i have seen in MY life and i tell you, i have seen plenty.

My apologies to you, Mangrove Jumper, but this encounter(it's not even a fight... it's more like feeding time) is as fair as fair can be. Bighead was charging forward. Don't think it is luck again man with this second time round.... horrific deadly technique.

Jack(right) vs Bighead(left)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NneYbMGFHBg
Comments: A split second encounter. If you call it a fight , then its a truly truly short fight, but a truly truly deadly one...

The aftermath...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYrpYYbe_bw

I do think Bighead will live through this... hopefully...
This will be his last fight....

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Viper: Of course I did NOT let them fight again. 6leg was not moving when i check on him after coming home. Just before i left for work(about 1/2 hour after the fight), I saw there was a bit of liquid in his case where he was crouching...he was still bleeding! I gave it water and hoped for the best...nothing i could do more....

BTW - should we have Spartan vs Jack?

That is the excuse you give all the time isn't it? There is something called a necessary evil, no? Whereas by pitting a 6 legged spider against an able bodied one is not. You are doing it for your own enjoyment. Who are you to say that in the wild it would not 'kecut' and flee. Even if it were to fight and die, again it would be to defend its territory, NOT MERELY for your enjoyment.

Again, i have not condemned you when you pit two equal opponents in a fight, but for me letting 6legs fight is crosses the very fine line.

Since you're on to this, spider fighting (although of a different variety) is listed as a blood sport.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_sport#L...of_blood_sports

no wor,it's an statement giving to u ppl who u urself dun tink tat u are cruel jek..
gor,he said ur spider fighting is a BLOOD SPORT!! 
eh,if u put 2spiders togather..if 1 dun wanna fight still it'll run 1 okay??u nv see b4 izzit??
nv see b4 then dun say la..
got alot of cruel things also u do merely for ur enjoyment 1...

Again, i have not condemned you when you pit two equal opponents in a fight, but for me letting 6legs fight is crosses the very fine line.

Since you're on to this, spider fighting (although of a different variety) is listed as a blood sport.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_sport#L...of_blood_sports

"Ok, the bad news...
When i came home yesterday nite, 6leg.... sad.gif
I actually could not believe my eyes when Jack treated 6leg like a fly!"

Tats why i tot u let them fight again.

Hope BigHead can recover well.
Cheers,
v_viper88

Btw chop fighting spiders are not the only spiders that fight like that.  Check this out (thanks, mindstorm).

External link: Big spider star female fight (Sorry I couldn't get the embed feature to work)
Jumping at the opponent is actually quite common among other jumping spiders that are not T. bhamoensis.  They are not widely publicized because they are not as common/easily acquired as fighting spiders nor are they easily controllable by hand.  They do not dance around like normal fighting spiders, so that may also contribute to the disinterest among spider enthusiasts.  But they do exactly what chops do.

Aiyah, viper, I put slow motion also you cannot see what happened in JackvsBighead encounter?

When the fight was over, I also thought Bighead won with a bit of scruffle and it was Bighead which was left standing on the stage. I thought nothing much happened. The reason is because it happened at such amazing speed. But NO, it was Jack that was left standing where Bighead stood and facing the direction that Bighead faced! When I saw the spider left on the stage wiping its fangs on the floor of the stage(white flat cupboard) and the blood stains it left behind, I GASPED! I looked closely and immediately knew Bighead is on the floor while Jack is left blowing the smoke from his gun.

Here i show frame by frame. I marked in the pictures reddot as Jack and yellow dot as Bighead.
(If you right click and click [save target as] for all this pics and save in one folder, then click View>Filmstrip you can clearly see what happened by typing arrow right)

All in all 24 frames... meaning ONE second!

'Chop' spiders = hungry spiders

Seems that it is a learnt behaviour - that little fella seems to have picked on to the fact that if you jump and bit onto another spiders abdomen as hard as you can, your venom will do the rest...
Just curious, is this motion the same as when they hunt gnats and houseflies?

Talking of jumping, had a friend in Melbourne who had to evacuate the house on account of an Australian Funnel web spider paying them a visit.

If u r new and interested on FS.. maybe u can do some research by reading forums here or read the research papers which i've found from the net and posted in the forum before. The research paper have documented alot FS info. Try and see FS video posted by Mindstorm n me to understand how the FS fight. The videos posted mostly from good FS fight. You cant get this videos anywhere coz theres no video from the internet on FS fight previously. I bet u can only hear ppl play fighting spiders from mouth of c pics only...
In actual real life.. most of the normal fight lasted very short while only.

At places where FS habitat, theres are alwys more than 1 male and 1 female FS of coz.. If the places have alot of leaves, lotsa insects/food supplies, not too expose to hot sunlight..there will be quite alot of fighting spiders. You just need to try to look for its nest or its habitat place hard enough.
If the area is good place, there will be alot of FS and sometimes if u r lucky, u can see 2 male FS fighting direct in front of you eyes at its habitats.

U know why ppl call them FIGHTING spiders? Its because of its amazing fighting ability skills and FS can fight unlike other spiders.. just know how to kill only.

Frequency the FS fight in wild compare to the captured1?. 
Nowdays less ppl catch fighting spiders to fight and its so difficult to find other people who have good fighting spiders to fight with. Even if got arrange fight also like once a month? Fight with other own caught FSs also like 1-3 days once if only can catch any FS. 
Seldom people fight the spiders continuously coz the FS will be exhauted or injured. 
The ones captures, its fight is normally arrange for similiar other FS which is about the same size or slightly bigger/smaller abit to have a fair fight.
The fight depends on its opponent, if the FS fight is just a short and light one, its possible to have few other rounds of fight.
If the fight is a fierce one and the FS injured, its put back in its case for rest. Feed  with food n drinks for it to recover. Will only let it fight few days later when its active back.  Basically its depend on how the owner take care of FS, the food, its place to live and how the fight is conducted.

In the wild at its habitat, FS have to fight with red ants tat try to invade its nest for dead insects, black ants, other species of spiders, and also its own same species for survival. Hot weather and heavy rain also not good for FS. Its the survival of the fittest. FS will build its nest at a safe place from its predator. Male FS have more risk compare to females FS, male FS alwys roam out of its nest to find food and female FS everyday. The female FS most of the time stay at its nest and wait for insects to passby or wait for strong male FS to mate. If the FS is injured in the wild, chances for it to survive is very little coz hard to move around to find food n water. It also unable to run away fast when predator comes.

When i try to search for FS, I do came across injured FS, 1-2 arms missing, 1-2 legs missing male FS.. small young FS get eaten by ants in its nest.. etcs.. Other species spider like Spider Besi also kill n eat FS..  i also got found some Spider Besi at FS habitats and its kinda scary if its big. This spiders is a killer.. it kills FS as part of its food. FS is different, most of the time for same FS species, they will only fight for territory, female n food. It hardly eat its own species unless if its really hungry.

Not all FS are excellent or fierce fighter. Only some are really fierce and can fight very well. Chance to catch a very big n fierce FS is not easy unless u are really determine to find one... like Mindstorm or me. Most of the FS fight normally just a short 1, just few secs.. coz the weaker FS will retreat n ran ..some even bfr the fight start afer face contact or judge opponnent arms fighting stance. FS able to judge its opponent size and strength base on its arms fighting position and its fierce fighting stance/dance. For the fierce big FS, they will engage the fight direct and will retreat immediately if sense it cant defeat its opponent. A good example here is like BigHead vs BigGuns or Archilles vs BigGuns.

FS will fight most of the time whenever they see each other just like fighting fish. Its just depend on whether to accept the fight n also how long
can they fight. If they see another male FS nearby its area, it will move closer and challenge it to a fight. Its their natural fighting instinct. By fighting also, it will makes FS stronger  for survival and stands a better chance to mate with female FS eventho no proper research available on this belief.
Smaller ones or weaker one of coz will retreat or just fight short time n run away. 

FS is a natural born fighter. They will not lose it, if it lose in a fight, it will become scared but after sometime it will be confident and start fighting again.  Injury from fights whether at its habitat or arranged fight is the about same coz the fighting spiders will decide how it want to fight. If lose, the FS can run away under the leaf or jump away. Its more depends on the FS opponent it fights with.  If fight against a big n fierce FS directly... the FS will be exhausted most of the time but will be able to recover fast if well taken care by its owner. Injury like broken arms, legs teeth and  death do happen if both FS doesn't want to withraw from the fight but very seldom...unless u can find alot of fierce fighting spider to fight n always let them fight all the time. Normal FS fight are just to defeat its opponent only and NOT to kill or injured them badly. The CHOP FS are the one that can coz bad injury or death for FS most of the time if got attack by surprise.   

For me, i feel its harder to find a strong or fierce FS to fight with for those captured one as compared to their fights at the wild against their own same species and also other predators at its habitat. 

If u r not sure about what i've wrote here, u can go and try catch one or few FS n also try to look for people who have FS for arranged fight.
Try and see how many of ur FS and ur opponent FS are really good fighter that can really fight well.
Then maybe u can know better whether the chances for the FS to get injured in the wild or arranged fight is more or less.
v_viper88

Thank you for your reply, I really appreciate your effort and had given it a good read.

Very informative for those who don't know that much about fighting spiders. I guess, perhaps you can post this detailed info up @ the 1st post, so that those who are new and enter this thread, will get to know the logic behind first before giving further comments?

Else, you might need to answer again and again

Dang!.. Jack and Small chop both are trying to kill its opponent not fighting!.

Cheers,
v_viper88

Wa.. i didnt expect BigHead will lose. I thought the fight end up like Bigleave.  Bigleave ran away also?

The leaf u put in Jack case, is it dried leaf?
Wat i know, if put dry leaf for the spider, kept alwys in dark place and with little water or food, there are chances the FS become more aggressive/chop.
Cheers,
v_viper88

Here's Bighead today... still so photogenic. 
Notice the dried up crust on its wound.

Heh... my sis don't like my demon butt biting spider very much either. She ask me wheather she can swat it. 

To me, chops are just using another way of fighting instead of going head-on with pushing. Basically in head-on fights usually the spider with more strength and endurance will win. Manoveuring techniques(Spartan is a perfect example) is also important but when the arms are lock, it's to a large degree strength vs strength. If a small guy would to fight a big guy, going head-on would be the most stupid thing to do. It's like in Dota, if you use a intelligent/melee hero, you're not going to fight face-to-face with a strength hero. Sure mati.

Another thing we can see is that the danger of  a chop spider is not just in its attacking but also in the very start of its encounter with the opponent. Very often, the chop either show little display or just widen or lift its forelegs/arms. If you see a kecut spider, it also lift its arms when it sees another spider, and then it runs. Chops seems to imitate that but instead of running it walks SLOWLY forward. This ability to trick its opponent by holding an unassuming position just before striking with lighting speed is also a key to their successful style.