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viper88
post Mar 8 2008, 12:06 PM

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Here's some info on Jumping Spider. Got info oso on its diet.
It stated jumping spider can eat dead/alive flies and plant nectar as part of its diet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_spider

The jumping spider family (Salticidae) contains more than 500 described genera and over 5,000 species, making it the largest family of spiders with about 13% of all species (Peng et al., 2002). Jumping spiders have good vision and use it for hunting and navigating. They are capable of jumping from place to place, secured by a silk tether. Both their book lungs and the tracheal system are well-developed, as they depend on both systems (bimodal breathing).

Habitat
Jumping spiders live in a variety of habitats. Tropical forests harbor the most species, but they are also found in temperate forests, scrub lands, deserts, the intertidal zone (in Malaysia), even mountains (one species is reported to have been the spider collected at the highest elevation, on the slopes of Mt. Everest (Wanless, 1975). Certain species of Salticidae are quite common in Europe, such as the Zebra Jumping Spider Salticus scenicus, which is commonly found resting on sun-warmed stone or brick walls.

Appearance
Jumping spiders are generally recognized by their eye pattern. They typically have eight eyes arranged in two or three rows. The front, and most distinctive row is enlarged and forward facing to enable stereoscopic vision. The others are situated back on the cephalothorax.

Colours and patterns vary widely. Several species of jumping spiders appear to mimic ants, beetles, or pseudoscorpions. Others may appear to be parts of grass stems, bumps on twigs, bark, part of a rock or even part of a sand surface.

Behavior
Jumping spiders are generally diurnal, active hunters. Their well developed internal hydraulic system extends their limbs by altering the pressure of body fluid (blood) within them. This enables the spiders to jump without having large muscular legs like a grasshopper. The jumping spider can therefore jump 20 to 60 or even 80 times the length of their body. When a jumping spider is moving from place to place, and especially just before it jumps, it tethers a filament of silk to whatever it is standing on. Should it fall for one reason or another, it climbs back up the silk tether.

Unlike almost all other spiders, they can quite easily climb on glass. Minute hairs and claws on their feet enable them to grip imperfections in the glass.

Jumping spiders also use their silk to weave small tent-like dwellings where females can protect their eggs, and which also serve as a shelter while moulting.

Jumping spiders are known for their curiosity. If approached by a human hand, instead of scuttling away to safety as most spiders do, the jumping spider will usually leap and turn to face the hand. Further approach may result in the spider jumping backwards while still eyeing the hand. The tiny creature will even raise its forelimbs and "hold its ground." Because of this contrast to other arachnids, the jumping spider is regarded as inquisitive as it is seemingly interested in whatever approaches it.[citation needed]


Vision

The four front eyes of a jumping spider (there are eight eyes total).Jumping spiders have very good vision centered in their anterior median eyes (AME). Their eyes are able to create a focused image on the retina, which has up to four layers of receptor cells in it (Harland & Jackson, 2000). Physiological experiments have shown that they may have up to four different kinds of receptor cells, with different absorption spectra, giving them the possibility of up to tetrachromatic color vision, with sensitivity extending into the ultra-violet range. It seems that all salticids, regardless of whether they have two, three or four kinds of color receptors, are highly sensitive to UV light (Peaslee & Wilson, 1989). Some species (for example, Cosmophasis umbratica) are highly dimorphic in the UV spectrum, suggesting a role in sexual signaling (Lim & Li, 2005). Color discrimination has been demonstrated in behavioral experiments.

The principal eyes have high resolution (11 min. visual angle) [1], but the field of vision is narrow, from 2-5 degrees.

Because the retina is the darkest part of the eye and it moves around, one can sometimes look into the eye of a jumping spider and see it changing color. When it is darkest, you are looking into its retina and the spider is looking straight at you.[2]

[COLOR=red]Diet

Hunting
Jumping spiders capture their prey by jumping on it from several inches away, and they may jump from twig to twig or leaf to leaf. They can jump many times their body length. They can carry out complex maneuvers such as detours around obstacles in order to reach their prey. Their eyesight is much better than the other spiders and most, if not all, insects. Most other spiders will only eat prey that they have captured live because they are unable to see dead prey (some long-legged sac spiders and anyphaenid sac spiders are exceptions as they recognize insect eggs as food) but jumping spiders will eat flies that have been killed for them. One jumping spider (Evarcha culicivora) is even known to only capture mosquitos full of blood, using their eyesight and smell.

Nectar
Even if there are no spiders that are pure herbivores, there are some jumping spiders which include nectar in their diet (Jackson et al., 2001). So far none are known to feed on pollen or seeds. When insects land on plants such as the partridge pea, which offers the spiders nectar through their extrafloral nectaries, the jumping spiders help protect the plant in return by killing and eating insects that might damage the plant.[COLOR=red]


Gliding
At least one species of jumping spiders, known as the Gliding Spider (Maratus volans) from Australia, has an abdomen with two wing-like flaps that can be tucked underneath it when not in use. When the spider is leaping, it can use its flaps to extend the jump and glide short distances through the air.

Venom
Some jumping spiders may bite to protect themselves if disturbed. However, jumping spiders usually escape and hide, and will only bite if provoked and cornered. While the bite of a larger jumping spider can be painful, only a few species produce any other effects. Almost all spiders (except hackled orb-weavers) have venom, but the venom of most spiders is not worse than the venom of a bee.[citation needed]

Reproduction
Jumping spiders use their vision in complex visual courtship displays. Males are often quite different in appearance than females and may have plumose hairs, colored or metallic hairs, front leg fringes, structures on other legs and other, often bizarre, modifications. These are used in visual courtship in which the colored or metallic parts of the body are displayed and complex sideling, vibrational or zigzag movements are performed in a courtship "dance." In recent years it has been discovered that many jumping spiders may have auditory signals as well, with amplified sounds produced by the males sounding like buzzes or drum rolls.[citation needed]


Added on March 8, 2008, 2:11 pmHere oso got good info on FS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiania_bhamoensis

Interesting point from the links:

Twelve different displays were identified during fights between males, including pushing, possibly to assess the weight of the other male.
Because two males will readily fight each other, either in a natural setting, or if put together, they are commonly known as "fighting spider" in South-east Asia. These spiders are commonly kept in matchboxes with a piece of green leaf and a spat of saliva for moisture. A spider that wins fight after fight gets the status of "first king". A common belief is that the darkest males are most aggressive.



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Added on March 8, 2008, 6:59 pmWoah.. see these FS colours.. so bright!

http://www.pbase.com/andrew57/image/84476916

http://www.southindianspiders.org/south-in...rs2.htm#Thiania


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Added on March 8, 2008, 11:24 pmTonight while waiting for the election results, i let my FS fight again. tongue.gif
Both Election and FS fight oso exciting! rclxms.gif

Lily2 vs New1 (Lily2 won. New1 is smaller abit than Lily2, just caught it 2 days ago. Wanted to test whether Lily2 has recovered from fight with Jack)

Lily2 vs HOPE (Hope won) rclxms.gif
Hope is very strong.. just some arm pushing, Lily2 retreat.

X vs X2 (X2 won) Fight of the night!! about 27 secs ! flex.gif
1st round - Both FS fight fiercely, strong push at the beginning and both fs got breakfree from each other awhile, X2 launch strong chop and both FS flip upside down!!
This was follow by strong arm fight/push by X forcing X2 to the edge of the fighting ring and almost fall!
X2 managed to stand firm and try to chg position back up to the ring but X do a strong chop and both FS fall off from the fighting ring hanging only by their spider web!.
Both FS continue to fight fiercely while in the AIR!!! Lotsa bitting and arm defend from both FS.!!
X2 was in a higher position than X thus have advantage. After fighting in the air for quite sometime, X fell down abit from the web but immediately X climb up the web and continue the fighting with X2 in the air! X2 didn't gave any chance at all, keep on attacking till X fall down to the ground.

X2 won rclxms.gif I feel X lost because fighting at a disadvantage position.

Feed both FS with plain water after 1st round fight. Rest abit 1st..

2nd round
X2 and X both fight fierce again. Both chops each other fiercely. I can see X launch abt 3 continuously chop at X2 but X2 seem standing higher and after chg position X2 counter with strong chops back.! In the end X ran away. X arm was injured abit. sweat.gif

X2 also injured after the fight.
Feed with water again, both FS was exhausted but still ok.

Didn't expect X2 will win bcoz previously it lost to X and Lily2. I've feed X2 with medium plant flies and fruit flies more recently and now X2 is bigger abit than X.

Current ranking i think

HOPE
X2
X
Lily2
New1 (not strong fighter, just for sparring practice only)

Here are todays fight. rclxm9.gif
Check out X vs X2 fight in the AIR. This is a fight we rarely can see. One of the FS unique fighting style. rolleyes.gif
Video so so coz using PDA hp camera ma.. sweat.gif

Link: http://download.yousendit.com/05D41A93439F6A57


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This post has been edited by viper88: Mar 9 2008, 10:05 AM
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post Mar 9 2008, 01:10 AM

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Very interesting articles you found. Didnt know got gliding jumpers. I also wonder wat Evarcha culicivora looks like...dracula spider.

FUIYO, another unique fight by your spiders!! Fighting in the air! They were fighting very fast, cannot capture their minute movements. First time i see FS fight on a web for so long! Got see before but not so long. Last part there i see like X2 cut off the web of X to make him fall? Hard to say if X2 have advantage or disadvantage position...afterall hanging on a web gives the spider not much support...
But really exciting match.

X2 is smaller than X yet now become 2nd king. X2 looks like a dark horse.

Here are the fights I have today. Not as exciting as vipers. But i think Redleaf is becoming chop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCZv8p1oCus

Here's Jack trying to be romeo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XteEYFroKAA

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post Mar 9 2008, 07:15 AM

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Viper: Thanks for the southindianspiders link. It will help us identify some common spiders in the future.

Mindstorm: Still have no success with mating chops? Haha. What is the chop female up to nowadays?


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post Mar 9 2008, 09:50 AM

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Ya.. i was oso suprise when both the FS fall of the fighting ring and still can fight in the air. Most of the time FS will normall fall of to the ground and continue fighting. X and X2 fight quite long in air and the fight is quite intense, i can see both of the FS grabbing, using arms to attack and bite each other continuously. I was worried oso coz, maybe the FS will bite off each other arms and legs while fighting in such awkward position in air.

Both FS fight quite fair while grab/bite each other but when X slip lower than X2, X start to have hard time trying to counter X2 attack and keep drop lower few times but still can climb up to fight. X2 keep attack and in the end X fall coz its web broke.

I feel X2 have a better fighting position/attack position once X slip lower coz X2 can cut of the web and let X fall down easily.
From the video can see X try to climb up twice to attack X2 but failed and fall down to the ground.

Eventho lost 1st round (i feel the result is even coz X still want to fight but maybe X2 cut off the web string.)
X also not kecut and in the 2nd round still can fight with strong chops but X2 counter chops is more painful.
X finally retreat and i can see its right arm is injured abit coz kena bite by X2. (can see in the video)

In my earlier post i wrote,
"X2 - the smallest among the other FS i got.. Average size not so small la.. Lost in few fights previously but not kecut easily"

I've let X2 fight with Lily2, X and HOPE previously, eventho X2 lost in all the fight but i can see tat X2 is a potential good FS coz it can fight quite well.
Eventho lost, X2 still can fight other FS in the following fight without ran away. X2 was actually for my other FS sparring partner to boost their fighting skill.

X2 also can fight LittleChop well in 2 round fight rclxms.gif I've fed X2 with juicy medium flies and now, its slightly fatter than X already.
Should be more stronger than last time. I oso feel X2 can defeat Lily2 coz Lily2 performance seems drop already.

HOPE is still the best, yesterday able to do a strong push at Lily2 and win easily. icon_idea.gif

Chops are fierce fighter.... maybe i'll try to train my fs become chop by putting them at darker place for sometime.. hmm.gif


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 9 2008, 01:10 AM)
Very interesting articles you found. Didnt know got gliding jumpers. I also wonder wat Evarcha culicivora looks like...dracula spider.

FUIYO, another unique fight by your spiders!! Fighting in the air! They were fighting very fast, cannot capture their minute movements. First time i see FS fight on a web for so long! Got see before but not so long. Last part there i see like X2 cut off the web of X to make him fall? Hard to say if X2 have advantage or disadvantage position...afterall hanging on a web gives the spider not much support...
But really exciting match.

X2 is smaller than X yet now become 2nd king. X2 looks like a dark horse.

Here are the fights I have today. Not as exciting as vipers. But i think Redleaf is becoming chop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCZv8p1oCus

Here's Jack trying to be romeo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XteEYFroKAA
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Added on March 9, 2008, 1:33 pmHere got FS mating infos
http://www.usp.nus.edu.sg/events/sustainab...ageflirting.pdf

Check out the FS pic here. Its colour bluish!! Strips pattern on abdomen oso different abit
http://salticidae.org/salticid/diagnost/ph...ya/sh-malay.htm

http://salticidae.org/salticid/diagnost/thiania/thian-ph.htm


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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Mar 9 2008, 07:15 AM)
Viper: Thanks for the southindianspiders link.  It will help us identify some common spiders in the future.

Mindstorm:  Still have no success with mating chops?  Haha.  What is the chop female up to nowadays?
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Wah, i like the blue Thiania, Thiania demissa, its abdomen stripes is straight across rather than slanting. Must go Tioman and catch! Ok, my next holiday with my wife i must plan Tioman..hehe.
This makes me think...wat about Langkawi, Pulau Perhentian etc... all those islands. All the spiders there are isolated from the mainland, so their gene lines will develop independently from our normal FS, hence their different strip patterns. Ok, whereever i go, i will look for FS! Maybe can get a super big or fierce type!

The female Thiania from India also looks different. I have come across this page before last year but i didnt see the the page where the blue male from Tioman is. Thanks viper, looks like you have been googling around for Thiania Bhamoensis huh? Hehe.. i do that too.

Here's a species from Cameron Highlands, caught by MangroveJumper when he went trekking there with his family.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVC6jBwC0oI
But this species a bit thin but look garang(fierce).

Here's the Black Thiania I caught from north of KL. I released all of them already cuz at that time i wasnt rearing my food source so really hard to keep so many spiders. But i'm still keeping one of the other species which photos i posted earlier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6GnfGDuvSc

Last but not least, here's a Thiania Species from Taiwan, Thiania subopressa Strand, 1907. Looks like got 2 types. Mangrovejumper and me was looking at this website late last year. Damn cool man. Impressive macro pictures. Too bad I can't read Mandarin otherwise I will try to communicate with the Blueray guy.
Sigma1920: If you're reading this you should check out this website also. It's a huge website(some Nature Society one i think) with plently of incredible macro photos of different spiders and insects. Click the green arrows on the top right of the page to go to other spider/insect related treads.
http://x4.net.vnu.edu.tw/~tbgweb/cgi-bin/t...pic=497&show=25

Here's a red Thiania being eaten by another jumper. Same website. Scroll down.
http://www.tbg.org.tw/~tbgweb/cgi-bin/topi...start=60&show=0

Some of the documented thiania species but no pictures.
http://zipcodezoo.com/Animals/T/Thiania_sumptuosa.asp
T. abdominalis ·
T. albo-cincta ·
T. aura ·
T. bhamoensis ·
T. cavaleriei ·
T. cavalierei ·
T. chrysogramma ·
T. cupreonitens ·
T. demissa ·
T. formosissima ·
T. gazellae ·
T. humilis ·
T. inermis ·
T. jucunda ·
T. luteobrachialis ·
T. luteola ·
T. oppressa ·
T. pulcherrima ·
T. sinuata ·
T. suavis ·
T. suboppressa ·
T. subopressa ·
T. subserena ·
T. thalassina ·
T. viscaensis ·
T. vittata


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiania
Thiania abdominalis Zabka, 1985 - Vietnam
Thiania aura Dyal, 1935 - Pakistan
Thiania bhamoensis Thorell, 1887 - Burma to Sumatra
Thiania cavaleriei Schenkel, 1963 - China
Thiania chrysogramma Simon, 1901 - Hong Kong
Thiania cupreonitens (Simon, 1899) - Sumatra
Thiania demissa (Thorell, 1892) - Indonesia
Thiania formosissima (Thorell, 1890) - Borneo
Thiania gazellae (Karsch, 1878) - New Guinea
Thiania inermis (Karsch, 1897) - Hong Kong
Thiania jucunda Thorell, 1890 - Sumatra
Thiania luteobrachialis Schenkel, 1963 - China
Thiania pulcherrima C. L. Koch, 1846 - Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Malaysia, Sulawesi
Thiania sinuata Thorell, 1890 - Malaysia
Thiania suboppressa Strand, 1907 - China, Vietnam, Hawai'i
Thiania subserena Simon, 1901 - Malaysia
Thiania viscaensis Barrion & Litsinger, 1995 - Philippines

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Mar 9 2008, 07:15 AM)
Viper: Thanks for the southindianspiders link.  It will help us identify some common spiders in the future.

Mindstorm:  Still have no success with mating chops?  Haha.  What is the chop female up to nowadays?
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Yeah still no success. But that's because the female unwilling, from the clip you can see if I can get a willing female, Jack would be able to mate. Must plan a hunting trip soon. I didnt fight females lately. The chop female pretty inactive compared to the other females. Mostly staying under the artificial leaf.
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Ya.. i oso like the blue stripes FS from Tioman. Looks exotic and like a good fighter.
Thiania subopressa looks cool also. Looks very fierce type leh, its arms oso very long.. but face all black?
The cameron Thiana oso not bad looking.. but its opponent cant fight la.. kecut type.

This morning when i want to feed my FS, i open Lily2 case and got a shock shocking.gif
Lily2 become much bigger already. Yesterday i fed Lily2 with a fat flying insects tat normally fly near light bulb.. those tat their wings fall off easily one. Lily2 now is bigger than HOPE and X2!! It must be the food tat the FS eat and become BIG!. X2 oso ate a medium flies few days back, its size also grow big and can fight much better. rclxms.gif

Tomorrow and Wed i'm off. Maybe will go Tasik Perdana look for FS tongue.gif
Dang.. this month i don't have weekn off days... cant go Kelapa Sawit place 2 look for FS.

If you got pass by Ampang n free these 2 days we can let the FS again.
I feel Lily2 is ready for a rematch with JACK. icon_idea.gif

Ya, if u want Jack to mate with the femate chop by force, U can try my skool friend's method, press the female chop back abdomen lightly so it cant move, then Jack can mate easily with the female chop. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 10 2008, 07:35 AM)
Yeah still no success. But that's because the female unwilling, from the clip you can see if I can get a willing female, Jack would be able to mate. Must plan a hunting trip soon. I didnt fight females lately. The chop female pretty inactive compared to the other females. Mostly staying under the artificial leaf.
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post Mar 11 2008, 12:05 AM

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Spider fighting is/was popular in Kentucky, USA too!
Interesting video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOIXiiuVJ40&feature=related

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Today plenty of upsets.
First Jack trashes Bro1. No upset here as it was expected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO09UnObWvQ
Then i thot of filming from the side how Jack actually jumps over its opponent. So I used Kelapasawit as victim... darn...Jack became the victim! He was fed earlier with fly and also drank a lot of water. Looks like he was pretty slow when he tried to jump and he bore the consequenses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kf7CHLB_vY
Anyway, kelapasawit pretty much trashed every spider today, including Redleaf, Smallchop, Bro1, Topman. He is actually smaller than Redleaf and Redleaf is smaller than Jack. Really don't know what got into him, really mad. But i think i know a possible reason...I let him fight smallchop yesterday for my cousins(small kids) to see and he trashed smallchop(i didnt videotape)..after that i just kept him, possible over the night, it gave him a confidence boost.


Here's a tribute to all time heavyweight champion. He's getting really old(here's ur old spider which u say u never see before, Mangrovejumper). I only fight him with Bigleaf today and it was a no show(because Bigleaf also getting old). You can see his arms are perpetually bend while walking. (if you see droplets on him, that's because i spray water lightly on him). He is also ignoring food nearby. Will be anytime soon. I have let him retire horizontally in the leaves of my plant as he is no longer able to hang vertically on those round containers. Just now when i came home, he is still alive... snuggled nicely in between the leaves. I expect him to be around at most another day or so. Time to say goodbye...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRgw4-SZN2s

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 10 2008, 10:46 AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kf7CHLB_vY
Anyway, kelapasawit pretty much trashed every spider today, including Redleaf, Smallchop, Bro1, Topman. He is actually smaller than Redleaf and Redleaf is smaller than Jack. Really don't know what got into him, really mad.
The kelapasawit-jack slo-mo clip is great. It allows you to see the counter move (bite from underneath) for the initial pounce. On round 1, after the initial counter, it was a 50-50 tussle. Jack did manage the lift Kelapasawit, but he didn't run away and Jack gave up. The 2nd round was an even better counter that flipped Jack and subsequent pursuit by Kelapasawit. It reminds me of a tennis match where the one player hits a hard serve but the other hits the return shot equally hard that wins the point.

Thanks for the Bighead clip. You certainly have enough documented events on him to write an epic story. So I guess we can hypothesize that the adult life of the FS is about 4 months assuming that he's old, and not sick. It'll be interesting to see if females live longer than males...just like humans. hmm.gif
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Very sad to hear that....Bighead is the really big....Maybe next time got time go ur house and see ur collection....
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Wow... ur KelapaSawit is reaally fierce! I see Jack still uses his abdomen bite attack in 1st and oso 2nd round fight against KelapaSawit but FAILED!
KelapaSawit block Jack attack and counter attack with alot of fierce bite till Jack ran away! Geng man. rclxms.gif

Jack beat Bro1 easily... did Bro1 injured in the fight? hmm.gif
U let the fS fight on yellow paper ? slippery n no tight grip ?

Today i went to Tasik Perdana to hunt for FS. tongue.gif
Reach there at afternoon time only to find out tat most of place is seal for upgrading. Only can walk certain area there like Taman Bunga Raya and Taman Orkid..
Only able to get 5 males FS and 4 female FS at Lily leaves n this type of leaves
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1 young/small size and 4 average size males FS... cant seem to find any big or large male FS sweat.gif
Actually found another more 2 average size males but they managed to jump and ran away.. doh.gif

Here's the pics of the FS i caught today. icon_idea.gif
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Reach home around 4.30pm abit tired but i let the FS fight to test whether they are good fighters onot. tongue.gif
Let all the 5 new male FS fight.. all can fight but just short fight using arm pushing n 1 chop only.

Then i let the winner of the 5 FS fight with each fight with my lowest rank FS - New1 tongue.gif
Both FS fight very fierce man.. fast arm pushing, arm lock and chops few times! New1 lost!
2nd round oso the new FS won in short fight only.
I really din expect the new spider can give a good fight n beat New1. Decided to name its Kaizer.

I also let the 2nd best new FS fight with New1, New1 won easily. Name the 2nd best new FS it as Kaizen.

After the fight, i let go the bottom 3 male FS and 4 female FS. Keep Kaizen as Kaizer n New1 sparring partner.

I also decide to rename my other earlier FS tat i have

Lily2 - Crossfire
X - Xinan
X2 - Xonan
New1 - Nexus

So now my FS ranking with new names. biggrin.gif

1) HOPE
2) Xonan
3) Xinan
4) Kaizer
5) Nexus
6) Kaizen

Kaizer, Nexus and Kaizen are actually quite small/average size more like light weight catergory FS.
HOPE, Xinan and Xonan are medium weight category FS

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Added on March 11, 2008, 9:30 pmFrom my experienced, if a FS cant walk on wall, walk slowly and no appetite to eat/drink.. its more towards bad injury from fierce fight or continuous fight.
If the FS get chop badly in fight and cont to fight over again without rest or water... it will die in the fight or die few days later.
This happen to both young or large FS.

Ya.. maybe you can kill some flies or ants and give it to BigHead. Its easier so it no need to put much effort to hunt the insects.
I'm not really sure whether its due to old age/ disease/ venom/injury from fight BIGHEAD become so weak.

BigHead is an excellent FS tat wins alot fight. It fight well and never give up when fight against other fierce FS.


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 11 2008, 01:46 AM)
Here's a tribute to all time heavyweight champion. He's getting really old(here's ur old spider which u say u never see before, Mangrovejumper). I only fight him with Bigleaf today and it was a no show(because Bigleaf also getting old). You can see his arms are perpetually bend while walking. (if you see droplets on him, that's because i spray water lightly on him). He is also ignoring food nearby. Will be anytime soon. I have let him retire horizontally in the leaves of my plant as he is no longer able to hang vertically on those round containers. Just now when i came home, he is still alive... snuggled nicely in between the leaves. I expect him to be around at most another day or so. Time to say goodbye...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRgw4-SZN2s
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post Mar 12 2008, 01:44 AM

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RIP Bighead
25/11/07(caught) - 11/03/08
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post Mar 12 2008, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 11 2008, 10:44 AM)
RIP Bighead
25/11/07(caught) - 11/03/08
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Fret not, for even the greatest warriors of the land succumbed to mighty Time.
The search continues for the next generation of gladiators....
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post Mar 12 2008, 08:52 PM

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RIP BIGHEAD... very Large FS. Not easy to find a large FS nowdays. sad.gif

Today suppose to meet up with Mindstorm for FS fight but he cancelled coz not feeling well.

So i let all my FS fight. LOTSA fight today!!

Nexus VS Kaizen (Nexus won)

Kaizer VS Nexus (Kaizer won) strong chops from Kaizer. Different fight arm position like ther earlier video FS name CAM.

Xinan VS Crossfire (Xinan won)

HOPE vs Xinan (Xinan won)

Xinan VS Xonan (Xinan won) - Great Fight. Lotsa chops and grappling!!! About 35 secs!!

HOPE VS Crossfire (HOPE won)

Heres all the videos!! I zipped it to about 9MB size.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/B0E6AAD528C07C84

HOPE and Crossfire performance today kinda slack.. eat alot maybe hmm.gif

Xinan and Xonan both fight very well. rclxms.gif
Xinan can continuous fight Crossfire, HOPE, Xonan and won all the fights! Very strong. icon_idea.gif
This is the 2nd time Xonan lost to Xinan. Last few days also fierce fight ... fight in the AIR!!
Eventho lost today.. Xonan give a very strong fight to Xinan. Strong chops, lotsa arm lock grappling and swap position few times!:idea:

Kaizer got good potential to become a very good fierce FS! Its abit small like 5 cent+ abit size but it likes to chop alot during fight!!
Nexus is bigger about 10 cent size but still lost to Kaizer!! I got let Nexus rematch vs Kaizer and NExus still lost kena chop alot.. but i dint managed to record video the FS!! doh.gif

Too bad i don't have a camcoder to record all the FS fight clearly.. have to settle for some average quality video coz i use my PDA HP camera.

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post Mar 13 2008, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 12 2008, 08:52 PM)
RIP BIGHEAD... very Large FS.  Not easy to find a large FS nowdays.  sad.gif

Today suppose to meet up with Mindstorm for FS fight but he cancelled coz not feeling well.

So i let all my FS fight. LOTSA fight today!!

Nexus VS Kaizen (Nexus won)

Kaizer VS Nexus (Kaizer won) strong chops from Kaizer. Different fight arm position like ther earlier video FS name CAM.

Xinan VS Crossfire (Xinan won)

HOPE vs Xinan (Xinan won)

Xinan VS Xonan (Xinan won) - Great Fight. Lotsa chops and grappling!!! About 35 secs!!

HOPE VS Crossfire (HOPE won)

Heres all the videos!! I zipped it to about 9MB size.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/B0E6AAD528C07C84

HOPE and Crossfire performance today kinda slack.. eat alot maybe  hmm.gif

Xinan and Xonan both fight very well.  rclxms.gif
Xinan can continuous fight Crossfire, HOPE, Xonan and won all the fights! Very strong.  icon_idea.gif
This is the 2nd time Xonan lost to Xinan. Last few days also fierce fight ... fight in the AIR!!
Eventho lost today.. Xonan give a very strong fight to Xinan. Strong chops,  lotsa arm lock grappling and swap position few times!:idea:

Kaizer got good potential to become a very good fierce FS! Its abit small like 5 cent+ abit size but it likes to chop alot during fight!!
Nexus is bigger about 10 cent size but still lost to Kaizer!! I got let Nexus rematch vs Kaizer and NExus still lost kena chop alot.. but i dint managed to record video the FS!! doh.gif

Too bad i don't have a camcoder to record all the FS fight clearly.. have to settle for some average quality video coz i use my PDA HP camera.

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Wah, xinan rocks! Xinan and Xonan u catch from ur area... seems like use the same fighting style as Archilles and Spartan. The arm locking drags the fighting time. I timed it as 33s. Shows that the gene lines there have good stamina in fighting. Crossfire(lily2) seems no match to the other spiders..all no show fighting. Nexus should fight with Xinan?

I think from here we can see that fighting styles in spiders can be pass down. Styles seem to be similar in one area. Chops like smallchop, Jack, 6leg and now Redleaf are all caught from same area. Armlocking-stamina figthers like Archilles, Spartan, Xenon and Xinan caught from same area too? PJ fighters like Topman, Bigguns and Puchong fighters like Bigleave, Thickarms and Bro1, Bro2, Blackhead...all not so good when matched against the KL fighters. Even some seremban top fighter like Quietman is no match against KL top fighters like Bighead, Lumpy mainly becuz of size.
Hehe, of cuz all these i say is only those we catch, God knows wat really is out there.


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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Mar 11 2008, 07:54 AM)
The kelapasawit-jack slo-mo clip is great.  It allows you to see the counter move (bite from underneath) for the initial pounce.  On round 1, after the initial counter, it was a 50-50 tussle.  Jack did manage the lift Kelapasawit, but he didn't run away and Jack gave up.  The 2nd round was an even better counter that flipped Jack and subsequent pursuit by Kelapasawit.  It reminds me of a tennis match where the one player hits a hard serve but the other hits the return shot equally hard that wins the point.

Thanks for the Bighead clip.  You certainly have enough documented events on him to write an epic story.  So I guess we can hypothesize that the adult life of the FS is about 4 months assuming that he's old, and not sick.  It'll be interesting to see if females live longer than males...just like humans.  hmm.gif
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yeah, i wonder how can i borrow or where can i go to maybe film using a highspeed camera MACRO, like those in some nature TV shows... then maybe can really see how their jaws sink in or lock close up and in super slow mo. haha!

Yeah.. his epic story is pretty much depicted here. Yeah, i also think the life span is around there. Last year the longest spider i kept was also nearly 3 months only. Most died within 2 months. I asked Ivan the singapore guy how long he kept his spider.. he also says 2 months.

Viper says he kept one for 10months! Holy cow... viper, you'll have to try that again with ur spiders now to get it documented.

I'm keeping females, named them but unfortunately i didn't really write down when i capture them.
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 11 2008, 09:06 PM)
Jack beat Bro1 easily... did Bro1 injured in the fight?  hmm.gif 
U let the fS fight on yellow paper ? slippery n no tight grip ?

From my experienced, if a FS cant walk on wall, walk slowly and no appetite to eat/drink.. its more towards bad injury from fierce fight or continuous fight.
If the FS get chop badly in fight and cont to fight over again without rest or water... it will die in the fight or die few days later.
This happen to both young or large FS.

Ya.. maybe you can kill some flies or ants and give it to BigHead. Its easier so it no need to put much effort to hunt the insects.
I'm not really sure whether its due to old age/ disease/ venom/injury from fight BIGHEAD become so weak.

BigHead is an excellent FS tat wins alot fight. It fight well and never give up when fight against other fierce FS.
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I used the rough side of the yellow paper, so they have pretty good grip. The reason i use the yellow paper is because it is yellow mah.. light background, better pictures. I also prop up a white paper for the white background. The passport u use seems to be working well, allowing good grip but not so good for filming cuz harder to see cuz not so good contrast.

Before the last fight between Bighead and Bigleaf, I fought him with ur spiders.. surely no injury from just pushing.
Yeah, they can die from injury or sheer exhaustion... same like wat u say, walk slowly and dont eat. Bighead however have been gradually moving slowly for many days, almost 3 weeks... even when i brought him to ur place the last time..he's already slow down alot. So, i think it is old age. Even before he got his abdomen ripped by Jack, he already seems not so active in his container(i put him in a huge container). When he was at his prime, everyday at least twice a day he will be out walking...and he can wander about in its cage for an hour or so. But guess is that Bighead when caught has probably changed skin not long ago..at most 1 week, cuz he was still light in color and lembek..lost to smaller Lumpy. I think FS can probably fight well after about 1 week or so after change skin. Example is Blurman. Maybe peaking after 1 month and the peak can last maybe 1 month to 2 months. After 2 and half months to after 3 months, their prime is over.
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Ya..Xinan fight very well. Xinan use to be the lowest rank FS i have.. it alwys lost to Xonan, Crossfire and HOPE last time but i can see its a potential good fighter coz it can continous fight without fear easily. After i fed Xinan alot, it become bigger already and now Xinan is bigger than Xonan.
Xinan is also actually smaller abit if compare to Crossfire and HOPE!!

Xonan got the same colour like Archilles and Spartan coz i caught at the same place area. Xinan also caught at the same area but its colour like normal green only.

Nexus fight with Xinan? Sure Nexus lost la.. Nexus is much smaller. If fight Xonan oso, Nexus sure lose 1...somemore Nexus also lost to Kaizer which is smaller !

Crossfire and HOPE doesn't seems want to fight yesterday. I noticed something weird after i put in the Female FS i caught from
Tasik Perdana into their case. Both HOPE and Crossfire ran like seeing ghost? seems like kecut liao after see the female FS. I saw few times whenever the meet face contact, the male FS ran away very FAST!

After HOPE and Crossfire lost yesterday, i've release all the female FS. Xinan and Xonan seems normal even got female FS inside... but i think its better to release the Female FS oso.

I think similiar one area only got some really good FS tat can really fight well especially the big ones. Most of the FS i caught at same place can just fight for short while. I think it got to do with the type of leaves and its habitat surrounding place.

Like the FS i caught from Tasik Perdana lily leaves, only Kaizer can really fight well.
Kaizer is quite fierce and i can see it alwys alwys initiate strong chops at its opponnent during fight!.
Its fighting arm position sometimes also different and unique.!

If feed well and can grow bigger, Kaizer will become a very excellent fighter!

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 13 2008, 10:07 AM)
Wah, xinan rocks! Xinan and Xonan u catch from ur area... seems like use the same fighting style as Archilles and Spartan. The arm locking drags the fighting time. I timed it as 33s. Shows that the gene lines there have good stamina in fighting. Crossfire(lily2) seems no match to the other spiders..all no show fighting. Nexus should fight with Xinan?

I think from here we can see that fighting styles in spiders can be pass down. Styles seem to be similar in one area. Chops like smallchop, Jack, 6leg and now Redleaf are all caught from same area. Armlocking-stamina figthers like Archilles, Spartan, Xenon and Xinan caught from same area too? PJ fighters like Topman, Bigguns and Puchong fighters like Bigleave, Thickarms and Bro1, Bro2, Blackhead...all not so good when matched against the KL fighters. Even some seremban top fighter like Quietman is no match against KL top fighters like Bighead, Lumpy mainly becuz of size.
Hehe, of cuz all these i say is only those we catch, God knows wat really is out there.
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Added on March 13, 2008, 12:00 pmIf got good camera video sure good la.. my pda hp camera video quality sux..... if can record all the good fights like Archilles vs Spartan or
Xinan vs Xonan clearly sure very nice 2 see.

Ya, during my skool days i played FS quite alot. My skool got FS season every year.. normally lasted about 1-3 months.
Some FS alwys lost/injured my fren oso gave 2 me.
Even some of my fren who bored/duwan play FS anymore pass me their FS.

I keep the FS very long even after the FS fight season in my skol over till none of my fen playing FS anymore. tongue.gif
My best FS travels with me in a round Trebor case to my hometown JB for CNY, skool, shopping complex and also even to toilet. biggrin.gif

I recall the longest FS i keep is early of the year bfr CNY till year end. I'm the only one still keeping the FS even after final skol exam
No more fight coz no other ppl play ady, i just keep it as pet. I cant really confirm but i think got about 1 year or 10 mths like tat.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 13 2008, 10:16 AM)
yeah, i wonder how can i borrow or where can i go to maybe film using a highspeed camera MACRO, like those in some nature TV shows... then maybe can really see how their jaws sink in or lock close up and in super slow mo. haha!

Yeah.. his epic story is pretty much depicted here. Yeah, i also think the life span is around there. Last year the longest spider i kept was also nearly 3 months only. Most died within 2 months. I asked Ivan the singapore guy how long he kept his spider.. he also says 2 months.

Viper says he kept one for 10months! Holy cow... viper, you'll have to try that again with ur spiders now to get it documented.

I'm keeping females, named them but unfortunately i didn't really write down when i capture them.
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Added on March 13, 2008, 12:35 pmThe passport surface is good coz the FS have a good grip def from being push back during attack. Can see from the great fight.. my FS can def/hold and lock each other well. With strong arm lock and strong footing, the FS can def very well from being attack by strong chops/bites.

Its my camera pda hp focus kinda slack coz if too near the quality will become box/blur abit.
Hard to see and record the fight at the same time. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 13 2008, 10:33 AM)
I used the rough side of the yellow paper, so they have pretty good grip. The reason i use the yellow paper is because it is yellow mah.. light background, better pictures. I also prop up a white paper for the white background. The passport u use seems to be working well, allowing good grip but not so good for filming cuz harder to see cuz not so good contrast.

Before the last fight between Bighead and Bigleaf, I fought him with ur spiders.. surely no injury from just pushing.
Yeah, they can die from injury or sheer exhaustion... same like wat u say, walk slowly and dont eat. Bighead however have been gradually moving slowly for many days, almost 3 weeks... even when i brought him to ur place the last time..he's already slow down alot. So, i think it is old age. Even before he got his abdomen ripped by Jack, he already seems not so active in his container(i put him in a huge container). When he was at his prime, everyday at least twice a day he will be out walking...and he can wander about in its cage for an hour or so. But guess is that Bighead when caught has probably changed skin not long ago..at most 1 week, cuz he was still light in color and lembek..lost to smaller Lumpy. I think FS can probably fight well after about 1 week or so after change skin. Example is Blurman. Maybe peaking after 1 month and the peak can last maybe 1 month to 2 months. After 2 and half months to after 3 months, their prime is over.
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post Mar 13 2008, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(pitinn @ Mar 11 2008, 01:02 PM)
Very sad to hear that....Bighead is the really big....Maybe next time got time go ur house and see ur collection....
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ok. I remember u said u caught one spider before. Wat happened to it?


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