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Prepaid Cards BigPay (with Mobile Application) V1, Prepaid MasterCard - CashBack & BigPoint

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post Jun 9 2018, 01:27 PM

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this thread quite fast lately. i can foreseen those charges that waived at the moment will start to kick in la sweat.gif
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QUOTE(TaiSong @ Jun 9 2018, 12:14 PM)
There is no specific lines in their TNC stated the withdraw limit. I did paid for the withdrawal service fee which is RM6. I'm just using the facility provided by BigPay.

I don't think 60k is a lot, because I did a single BT already 40k. The reason why I don't withdraw directly from Cc because CC charge 1 to 2 % service charge while BigPay charge RM6.

I use my CC to reload BigPay.
My credit card statement can proof that.

I withdraw cash from ATM then cash deposit back to saving.
My saving statement can proof that .

Money laundering? Ya I hope they will escalate to BNM and it will be a interesting case because this is not how money laundering works.

Yes they did call me before the suspension. And I provided my full credit card statement (multiple cc) and my saving account to them.

Yet they proceed the suspension without any detail given.

Luckily my suspended money in BigPay is not alot else I will escalate to BNM.

I know there is nothing I can do as a customer.
Just want to let you guys know this, so you won't kena the same thing.
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QUOTE(fairylord @ Jun 9 2018, 12:24 PM)
Boss, I think you should claim back the fund balance in the suspended bigpay. Bigpay has rights to suspense if it considers those transaction of suspicious but customer should has rights on the fund balance after the suspicious has been clarified. But i think Bigpay has rights on whether to revoke the suspension or accept your reapplication of bigpay.
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yes please do. if we did nothing wrong then shouldn't be afraid. unfair terms should be reviewed, not just for urself but for the rest as well
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post Jun 9 2018, 02:11 PM

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Well in my points of view, this is a waste of time because they are the service provider and we can't do anything, because of that general clause stated in TNC which they can happily cancel our card anytime, without any reason given.

Even they started to charge reload fee using credit card , which wipe out 50% users which using this card to maximize the cc rebate, we also cannot do anything.

We as a consumer are at the less favor side, since we need to agree anything they spelled out in the TNC.
Unless one whole bunch of users make noise together, then maybe, got chance to highlight this to BNM to review BigPay if there is any unfair term or misconduct.

I don't afraid of anything, because I deposit using my own money via cc under my name, withdraw and pay back my own cc. Money laundering?


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QUOTE(TaiSong @ Jun 9 2018, 02:11 PM)
Well in my points of view, this is a waste of time because they are the service provider and we can't do anything, because of that general clause stated in TNC which they can happily cancel our card anytime, without any reason given.

Even they started to charge reload fee using credit card , which wipe out 50% users which using this card to maximize the cc rebate, we also cannot do anything.

We as a consumer are at the less favor side, since we need to agree anything they spelled out in the TNC.
Unless one whole bunch of users make noise together, then maybe, got chance to highlight this to BNM to review BigPay if there is any unfair term or misconduct.

I don't afraid of anything, because I deposit using my own money via cc under my name, withdraw and pay back my own cc. Money laundering?
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lol, perhaps bnm will review all these unfavourable clauses. just because it is in the terms doesn’t mean they can simply abuse it though esp they refuse to be transparent about it. shooting an email to bnm is not difficult and based on my experience every complain is handled. if they were to change the terms then we have the right not to use it. but of course nobody forcing or anything. just my 2 cents.
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post Jun 9 2018, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(TaiSong @ Jun 9 2018, 03:54 AM)
My card has been suspended.

Reason given is my activities are suspicious (I withdraw the unused amount that I top up in order to maximize cc cash back and BT purposes).
Total withdraw amount so far is less than 60k in 2 months time.

Explained the same to their RISK MANAGEMENT officer.

No use.

The officer said my activities trigger the alert, and she did not mention what is the withdrawal threshold. And she said I have to proof that I am not doing money laundering.

So guys, good luck and make sure you don't churn so much and kena like me .

Money laundering my ashes.
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60k in two months is too extreme. Maybe 1k per month will not trigger their alert.

Anyway, financial institutions are always monitoring our activities.

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post Jun 9 2018, 03:00 PM

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Businesses have obligations to submit customer list (when requested) to Bank Negara, IRB (for tax audit or investigation) and customs (GST). Be careful if you are the top few % active users especially with large transaction amount or activities.
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QUOTE(ClarenceT @ Jun 9 2018, 03:00 PM)
Businesses have obligations to submit customer list (when requested) to Bank Negara, IRB (for tax audit or investigation) and customs (GST). Be careful if you are the top few % active users especially with large transaction amount or activities.
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Just make sure you pay income tax for your income
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post Jun 9 2018, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(digidigi @ Jun 9 2018, 03:09 PM)
Just make sure you pay income tax for your income
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When you do the top up and cash withdrawals too frequent and you gain from the transactions continuously, it will become a taxable income.

This post has been edited by ClarenceT: Jun 9 2018, 03:16 PM
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post Jun 9 2018, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Jun 9 2018, 01:27 PM)
this thread quite fast lately. i can foreseen those charges that waived at the moment will start to kick in la sweat.gif
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To be honest, BigPay do have officer who keep an eye on social media.
You will know that if you go to BigPay website, forum. You can't be serious to think that BigPay is unaware we are using ATM withdrawal method to get cc cash back ?

Right now they want to focus of transaction volume and promote the card, so it's impressive from data perspective.
Once they hit a target then they will impose a higher charges on ATM withdrawal or allow jompay topup from saving account then impose charge on cc top up the lower down operation cost and keep genuine transaction.

Withdraw directly to saving account is part of their roadmap anyway.
You can get a lot of detail from their forum.

So enjoy while you still can.


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post Jun 9 2018, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(ClarenceT @ Jun 9 2018, 03:15 PM)
When you do the top up and cash withdrawals too frequent and you gain from the transactions continuously, it will become a taxable income.
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No need think so much la, by the time you get the so call too frequent , you already kena ban. Those gain will remain small and not be taxable or notice.

Max each month you can churn 270k, and say you get 1 percent cash back card OCBC. Youu think you can get 1 percent out of that 270k?
Once you hit your cc credit limit then your cash back detail will go to management level and will not auto approve .
The 0.9% will gone because they will classific it as business usage. That's why I said the gain is small. P/s I have no idea on HL 1 percent card tho.

Other cash back card has capped so it's not possible for your to withdraw frequently.

My case, the BT is the so called large volume because I take out money from CC and use it invest on other stuff. There's goes 40k.
20k just maximize other ccccc ( multiple card ) cash back
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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Jun 9 2018, 05:39 AM)
60k. Whatever their threshold sure over la. Withdraw la 1.5k a month, 3k a month..... such high amount not surprising you'd be suspended.
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Lol, mean each time max withdraw 1.5k? and kena rm6 charges? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(TaiSong @ Jun 9 2018, 12:14 PM)
There is no specific lines in their TNC stated the withdraw limit. I did paid for the withdrawal service fee which is RM6. I'm just using the facility provided by BigPay.

I don't think 60k is a lot, because I did a single BT already 40k. The reason why I don't withdraw directly from Cc because CC charge 1 to 2 % service charge while BigPay charge RM6.

I use my CC to reload BigPay.
My credit card statement can proof that.

I withdraw cash from ATM then cash deposit back to saving.
My saving statement can proof that .

Money laundering? Ya I hope they will escalate to BNM and it will be a interesting case because this is not how money laundering works.

Yes they did call me before the suspension. And I provided my full credit card statement (multiple cc) and my saving account to them.

Yet they proceed the suspension without any detail given.

Luckily my suspended money in BigPay is not alot else I will escalate to BNM.

I know there is nothing I can do as a customer.
Just want to let you guys know this, so you won't kena the same thing.
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.thanks for your sharing!

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post Jun 9 2018, 04:49 PM

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anyone have problem receiving their card?
applied 1+ week plus and still havent receive my card
app status show already delivered
try calling but line always busy or no one pick up
message on FB and havent replied yet.
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QUOTE(menime123 @ Jun 9 2018, 04:49 PM)
anyone have problem receiving their card?
applied 1+ week plus and still havent receive my card
app status show already delivered
try calling but line always busy or no one pick up
message on FB and havent replied yet.
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please check ur mailbox, they using Citylink, and citylink just drop it to mailbox only.
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post Jun 9 2018, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(MiKE7LIM @ Jun 9 2018, 04:41 PM)
Lol, mean each time max withdraw 1.5k? and kena rm6 charges? biggrin.gif
.thanks for your sharing!
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You can look up for ATM which dispense RM100 notes on those popular branch , max withdrawal is 3k.

Anyway the best ATM is SC which I got RM3400 before . Technically it can dispense 35 notes, but I only got below. Hope this is helpful to you guys.
33 x RM100
2 x RM50.
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QUOTE(TaiSong @ Jun 9 2018, 04:52 PM)
You can look up for ATM which dispense RM100 notes on those popular branch , max withdrawal is 3k.

Anyway the best ATM is SC which I got RM3400 before . Technically it can dispense 35 notes, but I only got below. Hope this is helpful to you guys.
33 x RM100
2 x RM50.
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rclxms.gif thanks. only saw SC ATM in Gardens,,, need to try luck in popular shopping mall ATM
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QUOTE(TaiSong @ Jun 9 2018, 04:17 PM)
To be honest, BigPay do have officer who keep an eye on social media.
You will know that if you go to BigPay website, forum. You can't be serious to think that BigPay is unaware we are using ATM withdrawal method to get cc cash back ?

Right now they want to focus of transaction volume and promote the card, so it's impressive from data perspective.
Once they hit a target then they will impose a higher charges on ATM withdrawal or allow jompay topup from saving account then impose charge on cc top up the lower down operation cost and keep genuine transaction.

Withdraw directly to saving account is part of their roadmap anyway.
You can get a lot of detail from their forum.

So enjoy while you still can.
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lol then they should be aware how big prepaid card and airasia ezpay died. lol.

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QUOTE(TaiSong @ Jun 9 2018, 04:27 PM)
No need think so much la, by the time you get the so call too frequent , you already kena ban. Those gain will remain small and not be taxable or notice.

Max each month you can churn 270k, and say you get 1 percent cash back card OCBC. Youu think you can get 1 percent out of that 270k?
Once you hit your cc credit limit then your cash back detail will go to management level and will not auto approve .
The 0.9% will gone because they will classific it as business usage. That's why I said the gain is small. P/s I have no idea on HL 1 percent card tho.

Other cash back card has capped so it's not possible for your to withdraw frequently.

My case, the BT is the so called large volume because I take out money from CC and use it invest on other stuff. There's goes 40k.
20k just maximize other ccccc ( multiple card ) cash back
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Bravo ... Earn cashback by taking advantages of valid feature is not illegal IMO. I think you have got substantial advantage before your alleged situation where they hit the target and start impose high charges. By reading your reply, I feel your satisfaction on this entire matter.


By the way, mind to share which ccccc you used so I could add to the list in post #01.


This post has been edited by fairylord: Jun 9 2018, 05:15 PM
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post Jun 9 2018, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(fairylord @ Jun 9 2018, 05:12 PM)
Bravo ... Earn cashback by taking advantages of valid feature is not illegal IMO. I think you have got substantial advantage before your alleged situation where they hit the target and start impose high charges. By reading your reply, I feel your satisfaction on this entire matter.
By the way, mind to share which ccccc you used so I could add to the list in post #01.
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Why IMO? It’s not a crime , and no law is broken. In the other way, if all that substantial amount is used on retail transactions and none on ATM withdrawal, and that doesn’ raise the red flag, it’s ironic. An interesting version of money laundering. I am thinking of loading RM1k every month from my HLB Wise to Bigpay and then withdraw from ATM. Time to give up on that idea.
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post Jun 9 2018, 06:48 PM

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i still remember saw the thread in bigpay forum that the moderator says that withdraw cash from ATM will not cause the account to be banned. but 60k in 2 month maybe like what others says trigger the alert to them.

"I've been monitoring our social media and customer support for months and I don't recall a single case like that! But if it were to happen, our users could just get in touch with our team to clarify the situation smile.gif We really try to be as transparent and as flexible as possible. But clearly, we're not perfect and sometimes mistakes and bugs happen! In theory, there's no reason why withdrawing money from an ATM shortly after topping up your BigPay should cause the user's account to be suspended."
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post Jun 9 2018, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(fairylord @ Jun 9 2018, 05:12 PM)
Bravo ... Earn cashback by taking advantages of valid feature is not illegal IMO. I think you have got substantial advantage before your alleged situation where they hit the target and start impose high charges. By reading your reply, I feel your satisfaction on this entire matter.
By the way, mind to share which ccccc you used so I could add to the list in post #01.
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There is nothing I can do either, as I mention in earlier replies so just take it easy. It's not death or alive matter and I don't think I broke any laws.

Basically you got everything covered . More than what I used !

This post has been edited by TaiSong: Jun 9 2018, 07:10 PM

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