At least Phenom has a strong point (although still cannot beat the current crop of Intel's offering C2E QX9650 and QX6850), which is in 3D rendering. The margin is not that much compared to Intel's proc. This is ideal for animators where they can build a reasonable priced PC for rendering without sacrificing much of performance.

Have to wait very loong. the Chipzilla has awoken after a kick by AMD with their AMD64. Intel is no longer the old sluggish company. They are restructuring themselves to be more efficient and pushing themselves to the limit to compete in this cut throat business.

The boom of the late 90's has made Intel proud n lazy n complacent but not now.

U think AMD is the first with integrated memory controller or CSI?? Intel have similar plans long time ago, just some bad management and foresight failed them.

Intel is now in the lead and they wont let go of it so easily now.

AMD now is tight, and I mean very tight on resources.

And they have to compete against two, independent giant, nVidia and Intel, both of them having bigger budget than AMD.

It's gonna be very tough...

I wonder if they had consider this situation when they decided to buy ATi. Without the merge, I think both company would be doing much better then they are now. ATi was very strong before they got pulled into this situation with AMD. I mean, their long term plan may be beneficial but for now, it seems like AMD doesn't have the budget for such thing yet. IMO, they aren't financially prepared for it.

This post has been edited by Hornet: Nov 20 2007, 06:32 PM

ATI wasnt pulled down by AMD. The suckage you saw in the R600 was not amd's fault in any way. They would have been pwned regardless.

i think phenom will be a better buy coz of its backward as well as future compatible platform. looking at intel roadmap...the next gen quad proc QX9770 wont be compatible with its X38 chipset. u'll hv to upgrade ur mobo to X48 to get this proc running. whereas phenom is compatible with 939, AM and AM+ platform....granted the performance is not on par with intel Q6600...but it presents the best value for money for those who wants to run quad processors on the budget...checkout tomshardware review of phenom on the links below...

tomshardware phenom


just offering my 2 cents...

im also seeking this baby benchmarks ... but seem in hardwarezone its show it more slowwer then core 2 quad with same speed

If I'm not mistaken, when AMD acquire ATi, they cut down on the number of staff. Of course I don't know how the distribute their R&D spendings all, but I guess had they both remained independent companies, they could each focus on their own GPU / CPU with their own resources.

@chimera

if u say phenom can fit to s939.. sure no complaints 1-2 years back..

ppl always compare which more faster...
but actually most everage users can't afford to buy them..
so by everage just pick which suit the needs..

Phenom is not compatible with socket 939.

Not too sure with AM2 but I read somewhere that with AM2, the CPU won't be able to individually throttle the speed and vcore of each individual core.....

hopefully d final retail price for it x4 is nearly with E6750 600-700 ... then i will consider wana 2 grab one o not.....

It cannot beat the Q6600 even tho it's price higher. If I want to buy a Quad Core now I'd take the Q6600 anytime looking at the priceIt works on an AM2 board, but really, while you can use it on that board it will severely limit the proc potential even more.

amd gonna bankrup soon, fast2 grab their product if you love them.
save amd.

seriously with higher price than q6600 but less performance than q6600, price cut is a must now.

yup... tomshardware has better thought of AMD
Anandtech's Phenom review
anandtech however, think phenom is all doom and gloom

it's hard to say amd or ati gonna bankrup.there still have money to build new one cpu,maybe k11 or k12.who know

AMD wont go bankrupt one. The OEM and ODM wont want to see a scenario where Intel is the only player on the market.
The worst is we see AMD being taken over by another investment group or large company.

AMD has been losing money for years before Athlon and AMD64 comes along

^ yea u' r prob right. two more failure in a row (k11 k12), now will kill them. but that prob wont happen (damn why am i talking bout this?)

but now really disappointed, waited for like a year for this thing.

the processor have been release ?? Cant find the price for amd phenom processor in pc shops yet...

I think that the target group for amd phenom x4 is a different market then anticipated, because i feel the target groups are mainstream instead of the niche extreme performance market.

The pricing and strategy of phenom x4 is reflecting what i see.

Ermm... IMO, AMD did their job well by introducing native quad core w several improvements.
Although the performance still lose to Intel, but AMD will have it own market.

-pWs-

@ bolded part

Because its david vs. goliath story mar hahaha... and Athlon was the kick to the nut sacks of intel