26% is a lot...but still the price much cheaper...myb going to build new rig using black ed. one

i think you should wait for the B3, it is the same price with the crippled cpu with tlb fix, just without the 10% performance deduction if im correct.

i thought amd will release all their phenom to be unlock multi later?

That's right, the most important thing is without the TLB problem there. So the performance will be better than current Phenom chips since this new revision doesn't need any fix that will reduce its performance.

And maybe that time, you can even find it at more attractive price since by the end of Q1, inte's range of 45nm CPU should be out as well. AMD may price it accordingly to response to this new intel cpus

This post has been edited by Hornet: Dec 8 2007, 04:26 PM

Got new review bout AMD phenom XH 9900:

phenom 9900 in spider

where is there no 9800?

Quite suprise to see Phenom also loses on the memory benchmark.
Just reinforce my opinion that the Phenom is a failure.

Hie Guys...
AMD have a huge dissapointment to us as an end user, but as AMD Fans, I will stand by them, they need our support... They are lack of fund for their R&D to enhance their technology... As you guys know that the market place for Intel is larger, thus the profit for them is higher and they can do more on their R&D, in the other hand AMD is lack of fund and they can't do anything but to delay to perfect their processor... IMO, AMD technology is better than Intel, just that they are lack of money..

If their technology is better, the performance would be better too no? You are contradicting yourself. You pretty much insinuated that more R&D funds = better technology, but then you say AMD has better technology than intel. I divided by zero.

Even without the problem, the performance of the K10 is still not up to the core2.

lol... as stated by ikanayam, amd technology is no better than intel.

And if you think by supporting them in this manner will improve things, you're wrong. They need to learn a lesson that crappy product won't sell. Imagine if all their fanboy buys their crippled CPU, then why would they want to spend more money for R&D to developed better chip in the future? Since everyone will buy their product nevertheless, might as well pocket the money.

This post has been edited by Hornet: Dec 18 2007, 08:03 PM

support failure product?..

Maybe if you actually knew how the dual memory controllers work, the option to use ganged or unganged modes, and the compromise between benchmark/real-world performance, you wouldn't spout such crap.

so... u got any real world performance u wanna show wif ur X2...? i got bad enough exp wif X2 3800+ wif 4x512MB RAM on a MSI nforce 4 ultra chipset... lost to Celeron 430 on Intel 945chipset + 1GB RAM in term of software loading, networking speeds(file sharing and remote monitoring), etc... every real world performance also lost... but i partly blame it on MSI's crappy mobo...

My "hands on" exp as a technician proof tat Intel's core architechture outperformed AMD's X2... i also built PC's for CCTV monitoring systems... and Intel Celeron 430 on Intel 945 chipset is my best choice for best value/performance... and even reliability...

This post has been edited by t3chn0m4nc3r: Dec 19 2007, 01:46 AM

seems that AMD really down to the earth this time and intel is high up in the sky..but then, i still cant afford intel pricing..hohohoho

The Phenoms are not like the X2s. They have 2 memory controllers (compared to 1). They can run in ganged mode or unganged mode.

One mode is faster in real-world, the other one is faster in benchmarks. I forgot which was which though.

But yeah, making conclusions on single comparision numbers without descriptions = fail.


My X2 works great on a 480X mobo, it's not the best OCing mobo though. For poor performance I'd blame your nForce 4 Ultra. Definitely the problem there, especially with Vista (but problems with XP too)

nForce 5 is better (much better) on hard disks, and AMD's 790X is the "X38" of AMD chipsets, at P35 prices.

err... yeah... obviously Phenom has new architecture... i was juz thinking if AMD will execute their price war campaign to beat Intel on ur claim... real time performance is a better reference than designs and technologies(AMD proof tat point during the Athlon XP vs P4 battle wif AMD's victory)... and no end users will care bout how many controllers how much clocks n wat knot... direct performance comparison and benchmarking are wat determines the price diff between products regardless of brand and categories(even costs)... i'm not implying tat Phenon sux or wat knot... in fact i'm praying for them to beat the crap outta Intel's 455 so tat their prices will crumble and we shall benefit...
cuz in the end... i'm not buying the 1 wif the best performance... but i will buy the 1 which has better performance at a lower price... tat's wat the majority of end users want...

and BTW... nForce4 is suppose to be equal to somewhere around Intel's 945 chipset rite...?
and bout ur claim bout AMD790X = X38(performance wise) i don really think so for now...

This post has been edited by t3chn0m4nc3r: Dec 19 2007, 09:51 PM

i heard d phenom is coming with BE edition..black edition...i think is 9600 series...

phenom is not that bad when compared with x2...
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/12/19/amd...m_athlon_64_x2/

Spot on
a majority of users out there won't even know what's a memory controller is. It doesn't matter what kind of technology AMD can have in their CPU, at the end of the day, user will only look at their benchmark and price to decide. A majority of users won't even read and compare the architecture details and stuff like that.

So far from their chip's performance and aggressive price cut (I think the 9500 went to 200USD or below from online retailers), it seems like AMD is slipping into the budget segment, providing CPU at the segment where as for now, Intel has nothing to offer yet, a budget quad core CPU.

It'll be interesting to see how Intel reacts. I hoping for a Q6600 price cut as well, and the quad core segment price will start to fall.. heh.

really hard to understand, AMD already admits their processor still cant outperform current Intel processor by adjusting the price accordingly which is reasonable i think, why still arguing who got the best processor. We juz need a good performance/value processor....

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Added on December 21, 2007, 3:37 amAnyway currently i think they are equally in term of technology. juz which one first, Intel choose to go for 45nm while AMD gone to native quad. Soon, it will be Intel go for native quad and AMD go for 45nm.

This post has been edited by timljh: Dec 21 2007, 03:40 AM

AMD phenom is nearly par with C2D price.