hi all ...

im having problem in sleeping for the past few months ...

went to clinic, given valium(diazepam) and last week given imovane ... but it doesnt really affect on me. Im only able to sleep 2~3 hrs only.I told the doctor if got any stronger pills, but they say dont recomend to give me ....


Any one else got 'lubang' can get affective or strong sleeping pills ?

i need good pills that can make me sleep whole nite at least 7~8 hours ... without any interuption .....

Baseball bat sometimes has other usage rather than hitting the baseball u know?

Which doc u go to?
Shouldnt they try to findout the reason besides just give u sleeping pills?

U know those pills are addictive? the more u use them the less it works...

try using lavender essential oil. relaxes your mind

O.o....If doctor don't recommend maybe because there'll be more side effects of the stronger sleeping pills wor....
Maybe u can try other way first before u go to all the medications since there're always side effects

Diazepam is a sedative drug...it doesn't really a strong sleeping pill but makes one dizzy n calm n then Zzzzz

The better one is called Zolpidem...i am not sure about the brand name, i think is "StillNox"--- The Real Sleeping Pill haha..but don't misuse it too much brother.

I just got Zolpidem today ... havent try yet ... cos i still using diazepem.


StillNox u mean real sleeping pills ? where can i get em ?

sometimes when i request doc for stronger pill, he will say diapezam APO10 is the strongest adi ... wat else u wan ?

some doc say got stronger wan but dun recomed ...

i need try at least one realy strong wan to see if its affective

haha....
i try zolpidem before....it's very effective for me d...
No i mean the stillnox is the brand name for zolpidem if not mistaken, anyway u got d, it'll be fine...
Wah...brother...don't take so much ....later cause tolerance effects...u may need higher n higher dosage lol

oh my problem is i feel sleepy all the time
have to sleep 10-12 hours a day or else i'm still sleepy

why aa you have insomnia?
got problem or what?

Better don't depend too much on medication.
Sleep the natural way.

some people will just have sleeping difficulty. it biological and physiological. medication is the only way to induce a good sleep.

to ts,

another good sleeping medication is zopiclone. but no insomnia medication is for long term use because the side effect is just tremendous, how it change the body physiological is too much against its beneficial usage, and also dependence issue, esp if you are young patient.

there a lot more stronger drugs than diazepam, e.g temazepam but i guess the doctor weight out more risk than benefit for you, hence not recommending/prescribing it to you.

diazepam induce sleepiness but they wont guarantee patient going into deep sleep, just like you, awaken after two hours or so. that is even worse, as you can't get back to sleep and feel extremely tired on the morning.

and with hypnotic drug, because it work on brain/neurotransmitters, you will get nasty side effects like depression, lack of muscle control, nightmares, dizziness, fatigue, etc etc. so be aware of those side effects, and try not to depends too much on these sleeping drugs.

for long term, try to figure out what is the underlying problems rather than resorting in quite fix, drugs. is it stress, lack of exercise, or lifestyle issue, environment issue etc etc. for the sake of your own health, fix those underlying problem. if it is stress, get some de-stressing method (yoga etc), work stress (take leave, take a break), do more extreme exercise as it helps to wear out your body and de-stress.

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Added on November 14, 2007, 7:30 ammean time when you are off from these diazepam or zolpidem, but do need something, get those over counter sleeping pill e.g. Kalm night, Nytol Night (not sure if they are available in malaysia though), or even 21st century sleeping herbal supplement. some of them have active ingredient, pseudoephedrine, which improve breathing so you can have better sleep, and induce drowsiness, so you can start to sleep.

it might not be as strong, useful or direct action as diazepam, but it doesn't harm body much and great for psychological effect.

This post has been edited by youngkies: Nov 14 2007, 07:31 AM

The thing is TS really can't sleep. It's hard to explain but sometimes I really can't sleep too

Thanks all for comment ...

Such stronger pills like zopiclone or temazepam mentioned by youngkies , which doc can pescribe it ?

Normaly i go to clinic , they only give me 5 tablets only . and kena about rm30 bucks ...

can i hav the doctor to give letter so i can buy myself in pharmacy cheaper ?

You can get a prescription but chances are the prices are about the same. You can ask your doc how much he charges per pill/tablet and compare with what they charge in the pharmacy.

u know what ? thats not really a bad thing .

i wish i could only sleep for 2~3 hours a day and get ready for next day....
but my body wants me to sleep 8 hours.

i dont think you can get sleeping pills from pharmacy and can even ask & compare the price.
I dont think there's any doctor will really prescrip and write you letter for you to buy at pharmacy.

Prove me if there's any.

have you tried xanax?

haha, rachel is here to share experience......rachel , got wat u needed last time ?

xanax is for mind relax, not for sleep my dear.

gnc melatonin work best for me <----- slight tho' next day

when I can't sleep, I'll masturbate, then can sleep

It was a broad statement, but let's nitpick.

Sure they will, doctors don't always have all their medicines in stock. For example, antibiotics, you can't(or shouldn't be able to IIRC?) buy them over the counter in a pharmacy, yet pharmacies stock them. Ever wonder why they stock medicines/drugs that you can't buy without a writen prescription?

Price comparison, why can't you ask how much your medicine costs? You're paying for it >.> Don't tell me you blindly pay for your med's when you go to a doctor...

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Nov 14 2007, 05:28 PM

yeah.. of course if good to survey the price than kena chop by doctor.
Im not sure whether pharmacy selling sleeping pills or stocking it. But i believe, doctor wont simply sell it and even wrote a letter for you to buy at pharmacy.

for your example, antibiotic, you'll usually get it after you sick and check with doctor, but the point is not every docotr will give you sleeping pills if u just tell him you can't sleep at night.

Elses, the pills is everywhere at clinic, they wont start a thread asking where can get those pills right??
If anyone can get the price or can buy from any pharmacy, let me know. let's compare the price here.

The point was if you DID get a prescription from your doctor you'd be able to buy the pills you were prescribed for in any pharmacy stocking the pills. Whether or not your doctor is willing to write your prescription is subjective, if he does not stock(or have in stock) the pills which he believes would best suit your needs and your best interest, he'd write you a prescription so you'd be able to obtain the pills you require or refer you somewhere else.

Whether or not the pharmacies stocks the pills are irrelevant and my post didn't say pharmacies would, though I do think they do. Price comparison, if they stock sleeping pills, they'll tell you the price.

im not trying to argue with you. but as far as i know, doctor will only record those prescription for his goodself perusal, is really rare for doctor to give you the presciption. And even ask you to buy from pharmacy?? unless he is the boss for that pharmacy.

Well, TS, since you tried alot of sleeping pills before. Then ask your doctor to write you the prescription and let me know the price as well.

i'm thinking of getting a mild sleeping pill because i always have isomania but i scare i cant take it cos even a flu medicine will make me sleep 18hrs continuously..

Last time i bought a sleeping pill over the pharmacy and the ppl said take one enough.. THen i took the pill, sleep for 24 hrs.. even my mom couldnt wake me up and i told her i'm toooo tired n slept back. She then din wake me up cos though that i was sick..

That is the last time i took sleeping pill and it was 6 yrs ago

This post has been edited by N33d: Nov 14 2007, 07:02 PM

mind to share wats the name of the pill? how much and which pharmacy u buy from??
u drink beer?? the best mild sleeping pill will be a can of beer unless u're alchoholic.

i really forgot that pill cos is 6 yrs back
tat is when i was at form2-form3 like tat..sorry man..

You're right, but i don like beer.. only red wine but expensive
haha

Just to share my insomnia experience with u. Hope can be of help to you.
I used to suffered from insomnia for many many years ago and now I m 90% recovered.
In the past, I have tried many types of medicine such as Valium, Xanax, Dormicum, cough syrup etc etc you name it....... the drugs helps of course but I paid a very heavy price. I'm now become very forgetful and sometimes I can't even spell out a simple word. My Doctor already warned me of memory loss side effects if taking too much of sleeping pills. In fact in the past, I m quite disciplined ( See, i just had problem to spell out "discipline") when taking sleeping pills as i usually consumed 1/8 of a dormicum pill and i m only took it when it was absolutely necessary. But still I m now having mild memory loss problem.

Since last 2 years, I slowly adjust my body biorhythm clock to sleep before 12am ( initially with the help of cough syrup) and I have to keep to it because if i breach it for just one night, my body sleeping timing will be disturb and i will have sleepless night for the next few days before it goes back to normal again. Therefore, you must first set you body clock to a fix sleeping timing and keep to it as best as you can.

Another drug free way to easily get to sleep is to listen to the talks by Ajahn Brahm. Let me guide you how to do it.
1) Goto http://www.bswa.org/
2) Download the talks in MP3 files to your pc (Free download).
3) Transfer the MP3 files from your pc to your mobile phone/mp3 player.
4) Get to your bed 30min early before sleep. Plug in the ear phone, adjust the volume to the lowest and listen to a human voice talking to you till you fall to sleep.

These are many topics of talks such as Happiness is mental energy, The power of mindfulness, Patient, Argument, Hopelessness, who's right ?, learn meditation and many more. This method help me to get to sleep very easily and now my insomnia is 90% cured and most importantly, i don't depend on drugs anymore to help me get to sleep.

Last but not least, stay away from sleeping pills and give my methods a try and hope you can get over it.

This post has been edited by aeiou228: Nov 14 2007, 08:09 PM

useful.....

So far I tried from Valium, Imovane, Atarax and Zolpedium .....

When i compare to doc valium and imovane which is stronger ... he just tell me it depend on body , but different chemical only.

Right now i eat 2 valium also cant really help me sleep...

Anyone know those strong wild sleeping pill ? maybe i should take 1 and try ...
i need those pill very affective , 1 tablet can sleep 8~10 hours without interuption.


or any other alternative traditional medicine that can help sleep ...

I guess you still insist on taking sleeping pill, do u?
OK, If u want to take the risk of memory loss side effect, Go get dormicum. You will sure like it. I once took only 1/4 tablet, within 10 min total black out already.
I must warn u that u must not abuse sleeping pills. Because, your body will slowly immune to the drug and you will need to increase the doses. The more pills u take the more difficult your body is going to sleep naturally without drug and when this happen, it will be what we call addiction. Prolong usage of sleeping pills will damage your memory brain cells and the side effect can only be felt over some time.

BTW Valium is not sleeping pill. It is a tranquilizer. Too much of Valium also no good to your brain cells. T

This post has been edited by aeiou228: Nov 15 2007, 08:40 AM

How do i get dormicum ? do u know any place selling or any doc can pescribe for me ? or do u have 1 too ?


most clinic i go they dowan give sleeping pills or ask see physciatric

the clinic i went before said valium is not pure sleeping pills too ... he say its muscle relaction actually

i heard some herbal may help, but not sure where to get 'em

haha.. took it b4.. it does help..

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Added on November 15, 2007, 4:09 pmyup.. got it..

This post has been edited by rachelsly: Nov 15 2007, 04:11 PM

not all doc will keep Psychotropic drug in the clinic (not all at least ),especially now DCA is very strict on the control of the movement and usage by the doctor , so long doc agree tht the patient has got insomia or for jet lag purpose , doc will (of course, not all doc) prescript sleeping pills for patients to buy from pharmacy , only for 1-3days of dosage (1-3tablets). there is nothing much for u to compare price here coz u r not taking it for long term ( for normal person).

dormicum is currently under strict control by DCA , u hav to try ur luck.... selayang used to hav doc Buy alot of dormicum...

how r u now ?

mind giving me the contact of the doc bro ?

dormicum seem like so famous tat can really help sleep lol ...

btw im not addiced ... i only took once in 2 days or if i really need have agood sleep. but those pill not strong for me d

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Added on November 16, 2007, 10:48 pmFinally got myself 4 tablet of dormicum lol ... so hard to get



Btw, just for precaution ... can sleeping pills cause death ?



This post has been edited by Hybrified: Nov 16 2007, 10:48 PM

how's the affect of dormicum to u ?

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Added on November 17, 2007, 10:43 amI believe sleeping pills can cause coma, it wont cause death

This post has been edited by sentro2020: Nov 17 2007, 10:43 AM

the last news i heard about someone popping dormicum x10 for suicidal, woke up 1week+ later.

wtf sleep for 1 week =___="

no watter supply to body ok meh ??

if wan suicide, eat dormicum + alcohol sure die ... i heard la. at least X5 dormicum ....

cz he chemical reaction very strong

how the hell can it induce coma? phew....didn't know people are so paranoid about sleeping pills

Cheaper if you don't go in to see the doc ( minus the consultation fee ) , but nowadays it's harder to find these clinics that sell these type of drugs over the counter.

Dormicum is kinda in the govt's bad books now cause some idiot found out u can melt the thing and inject it ...

Here you go .. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sleeping-pills/SL00010

actually some the Dormicum you are talking about is not that strong. There are more powerful ones out there

Stronger yes ..but this dormicum is a fav for the drug addicts who can't get their fix - take some 4-8 at a go, to sleep off their withdrawal. THEN came the reports that, u can melt it down and inject it for a cheap substitute high .... all this was in the malay mail "expose" a year back?

You go into a clinic asking for dormicum by name, be prepared for the looks the doc will be giving you

This post has been edited by klmc: Nov 17 2007, 08:15 PM

over dose may progress to coma.

but the other way round. current study investigating zolpidem in waking up persistent vegetative state patient.

I heard overdose of sleeping pills can cause women to go horny. Seriously.

C'mon ... it'll blur the person so much that they won't really know what the heck is happening... now we don't call that horniness, do we?

oh ya it's true...but anyway that's what i heard rapist in taiwan do

r we even on the topic now ?

overdose can cause adverse event (coma etc).

not at over dosage actually. a normal dose will do. not that it will make them horny etc, but some sleeping drugs are hypnotic drug, hence is abused esp. with alcohol to make woman sleepy, sleep and cant remember what happened before.

hmm how do i know the dormicum is strong or not ?

so far i got dormicum from 2 different clinic .... blue color pill ... 15mg dormicum.

its freakin expensive
4 tablet doc charge me rm3


where to get the strong wan ? i tried this dormicum 1 tablet also not tat strong ... so so only lo

rm3 for dormicum is considered cheap....

4 tablets for $3 ???? Thats bloody cheap isn't it? I thought it was selling at $5 EACH for the 15mg ...

OOPS SORRY !

typo guys ...

its rm30 for 4 tablet

Ahhhhhh, so alls right with the world ... 20$ for the 4 tabs and $10 for the consultation ....

Any pills stronger than dormicum ??

is it greater affect to mix sleeping pills ?

eg dormicum + stilnox ?
eg valium + imovane ?

is it better or less affect

where else in klang valley can get dormicum ?

very hard to get la ...

any got lubang or willing to sell me in bulk ? pm me pls

is it better to swallow the tablet ??

or better to destroy the tablet make it powder 1st ...


which one more fast effect ?

You are really asking suspicious questions man, why do u need to know which way has a faster effect? Is it to sleep? Or are u planning on doping somebody?

You took the whole 15mg dormicum tablet and you said "so so only" ?

I would say it is either your body is starting to immune to sleeping pill and you require more doses or you use dormicum for other purpose ?

Don't abuse drugs, trust me, is gonna harm your health.

i tried to eat but it dont make me sleepy. only make me feel a bit 'blur' only.

So i wonder is it better to swallow as pill or make it powder 1st ? or better to mix with other pills ?

i think you are supposed to take it before u go to sleep - then let the drug take effect while u r in bed ..... so the 'blur'ness will translate into sleep ?

I could've say say that my body quite immune to sleeping pills lol ....

Even i took it doesnt affect me much, even for my first dormicum.

Btw really hard to get dormicum la. I got one clinic in PJ the doctor can prescribe dormicum huhuhu ... sell rm3.50 per tablet ...

Who wanna sell me dormicum ... ? I offer rm60 for 10 tablet ... damn hard to get

Anythin else stronger than dormicum ?

So far few doctor say dormicum the strongest d

I see alot of Insomnia people in here.

valium.???????????

valium is one of the mildest pills ler

i used Atarax 25mg, it made me sleep like hell, woke up the next day still sleepy. got it from the pharmacy, it's very cheap i remember it's around RM 10 something

Atarax is so mild since it can sold openly in pharmasy

But those sold in pharmasy hav these kinda side effect.

I tried that, but after wake up from sleep body wil get soo tired and soooooo sleepy

those prescribed by doc can make u sleep well, but after wake up wont tired like mad lolz

though it's mild but enough for me already, i only take quarter out of the already small pill

but then, i hope not to use it again la, now i rely on exercise to make me tired and go to bed naturally, i think this is better

if u really wanna sleep nicely u can take Erimin 5mg but that is illiger
or u can find the doctor asking for valium 10mg this one is ok not touching the rules

if u take domicium u will forget alot of thing that u did last night that is really very strong but short acting pill

notice dont take too offen if not u will face to withdrawal symptoms one u quite

for domicium u can take half pill over 15mg might be better

any way do not mix with alcohol or any beer with this pill or else i will going to kill youself in the future

i can get Dormicum/Erimin/Valium/somese easier,i just sugguest u take it for sleep but not for other purpose

also do not over doze,if u got withdrawal symptoms also no problem i got way to help u

This post has been edited by kent20: May 1 2009, 01:48 AM

Cough medicine(blackish)! sure will blur blur after consuming

mix with coffee
then im sure u can sleep

After TFK can help u sleep better

the benzo's i.e valium (all the *zepams) ideally you shouldnt take more than 2-4 weeks. and ideally you shoulnt withdraw quickly. the dose should go down wards slowly or you'll get a rebound effect and have anxiety. it will also loose its effect overtime.
need i not to mention they are addictive if not used properly.

like younkies mentioned the 'Z' drugs, zolpidem, zopicone are particularly bad on side effects. your best bet would be try to slowly acclimatise your sleeping pattern and try find out the cause/reasons of your anxiety like are you subconsciously worrying about something?
something that has been bothering you that has not resolved?
excessive work stress?
have you had any traumatic event in the past?
had any panic attacks?
irritable?
poor concentration?
any specific phobias identified?
do you have other co-morbidity? (like suffering from another chronic disease?)
bad sleeping posture?
bad sleeping hygine?(i.e. having a coffee dinner time? or coke? or drinks wif caffiene?)
another thing that i can say about beverages is dont drink(alcohol) before sleeping. it affects your sleep.
some people will argue that its a depressant, but your body attempts to compensates for that initially and you might feel drowsy initially but when the alcohol wears off it'll have a rebound effect. people who are having trouble sleeping are more prone to this effect.
a glass of milk b4 sleeping might probably help as well?

you might want to consult a specialist on this matter as i dont think the general GP's have the specialisation required for you since you've tried practically all the mainstream meds already

This post has been edited by mr lappy: May 1 2009, 08:27 AM

i'm not having sleeping problem but when working in 12 hour Shift from Night shift change to Day shift. Then my sleeping problem will come. Cannot SLEEP!!
imagine went to bed at 11pm, but fall asleep around 5am then hv to wake up at 7am.

can I consult a doctor for sleeping pill ? Atarax need to get doctor prescription or can just buy it at pharmacies?

anyway, b4 this if at 3-4am still cannot sleep, I take cough medicine. but feel hangover and body pain when wakeup.

just found this on ebay, 100% drug free!! but the location in us.

http://cgi.ebay.com.my/100-Drug-Free-Natur...emZ270337838710

This post has been edited by amerz: Aug 10 2009, 05:52 AM

It's just that your biological clock is messed up. Try adjusting it accordingly and yu won't be dependent on sleeping pills anymore.

Go au naturel!

Regards, Joey

Im having a mild anxiety but have yet to try sleeping pills after doing research on it. Atarax on the other hand stated to be mild.

Mind if i ask how mild it is? Mild as in u tend to gets up easily when theres a physical contact like hand patting or making a few quite loud noises ?

I miss NyQuil.

that link is a ..
melatonin product .

30 caps for rm80++ is to exp !!
pls see my my signature if u want more info..

Dear Thread Starter,

Don't go rely on sleeping pills to knock yourself to dreamland. It's not healthy in the long run. Are you having insomnia or some sort of sleep disorder?

Maybe your life pace is a little too fast tracked? Why not drink some fruit juice?

Regards, Joey

Your anxiety may be the cause of your sleepless nights.
Try to do something relaxing before bedtime to take your mind off your problem.

Resorting to sleeping pills is the last thing you want to consider.
Tendency is that you will need stronger dose each time as your body gets adjusted to the drug.
there are side effects to sleeping pills and you will experience withdrawal symptoms if you try to get off them.

You can also try taking calcium magnesium tablets 1 hour before going to sleep.
The calcium will help the brain to relax and enable you to have a deep relaxing sleep.

hi, i am facing sleeping problem..my sleeping time became opposite...i went to bed on 12 but only sleep on 4am. recently became worst i only able to sleep at 7 am..lucky i do not need to wake up early on the next day...but sometimes i gotta wake up early n only get to sleep at 4-5am..it's killing me..i tried to sleep very early too..but it doesn't help..so i wanna take sleeping pill to adjust back to normal life...i duno where am i able to get those sleeping pills..or how to get? they will not simply sell it to me. pls give me some advice. thanks!

Perhaps you can try count sheep/recall back anything that u want to recall until you start feel sleepy and automatic shift into sleep mode it works for me . If you still insist to take supplement , you can try Melatonin. There are several supplement seller in this forum that you can contact to ask them where to get this product

This post has been edited by genuinehuman: Sep 28 2011, 12:06 PM

i strongly recomend the others here, not to go on those stronger meds like diazepam etc...

start with something light, eg piriton...this you can get without prescription, it's weak but works good enough on many people.

besides, you can try to improve your sleeping environment...or move to another house...

hi, thanks for suggestion...i am facing lots of stress currently..tat's my problem tat cause me to have sleeping problem..erm...i tried coutning sheeps...but it doesn't work...after the stress period gone i guess can back as normal life slowly..but currently my stress period will still last me bout 1 to 2 more months...so..i need it to help me at this time. thanks a lot..can i know hw to contact them?

why used sleeping pills..perhaps changing the way you sleep would be better

hi,certain things too stressful..i choose to dun wanna think n as time pass by wanna let it fade...so easier way is take sleeping pills den dun need to think dy..can sleep til next morning wake up n busy with stuff...anyway any idea to get sleeping pills without seeing doc.

i dont know about sleeping pills but medicine that can make you sleepy would be available

hi,den wad medicine would be sleepy? when i close my eyes...i only resting my eyes...i m not sleeping...i felt very suffer..

flu medicine. piriton.

i try before that..it doesn't really help unless i take a lot...i tried took 3 but it didn't work den i take another 3 den it work a bit... dun have other suggestion? i think sleeping pill is still the best to help...is hard to get...any idea?

ubat batuk ,some medicine related with cough can really make you sleepy

but cough mixture will get addicted otherwise i will try...i hate the taste..