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Ramjade
post Jan 11 2025, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(rtk73 @ Jan 10 2025, 01:05 PM)
What now?
Found during annual check, wasn't even pre-diabetic on prior check
Doc just said lifestyle change gave some meds and that's it.

No resources or anything.
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post Jan 11 2025, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(arkasi @ Jan 10 2025, 11:04 PM)
Oh yeah, sorry ts forgot to mention that biogrow bg22 oats is in powder form per sachet. It's not quacker oats type of cereal.

Take one sachet mix with half cup of water right before each meal.

First few times, best to take it on your off days just in case cause purging until use to it.
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Thanks! Will look into it


QUOTE(kons @ Jan 11 2025, 06:31 AM)
welcome to the club.

diabetes is the main evil that will also introduce additional illness like high blood pressure etc, if you do not manage it well.

did doctor request you to go for insulin injection? if not your case is nothing like real diabetes.
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post Jan 11 2025, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(rtk73 @ Jan 10 2025, 01:05 PM)
What now?
Found during annual check, wasn't even pre-diabetic on prior check
Doc just said lifestyle change gave some meds and that's it.

No resources or anything.
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You want to know true pre diabetic you must do serum insulin.

Yes doctors normally dont do until its quite late.
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post Jan 11 2025, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(rtk73 @ Jan 10 2025, 08:30 PM)
Nahhhhhhhhhhhh

Been fat throughout most of my life
Sugar/cholesterol etc etc been in check
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Fat cells increase insulin resistance. Its SCIENCE

Now you know one of your major risk factor.

Cut your fat percentage.

Increase your muscle mass.

All this will increase insulin sensitivity.

Sleep early and manage your stress too.

Even this pipu with high cortisol (stress hormone) will have increase blood sugar because during stres, your body needs a lot of energy hence cortisol, a catabolic steroid will breakdown glycogen, fat, muscle to sugar causing hyperglycaemia.

Forget supplement and do basic essential lifestyle changes first.

This post has been edited by fist_Aileron: Jan 11 2025, 02:30 PM
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post Jan 11 2025, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jan 11 2025, 02:29 PM)
Fat cells increase insulin resistance. Its SCIENCE

Now  you know one of your major risk factor.

Cut your fat percentage.

Increase your muscle mass.

All this will increase insulin sensitivity.

Sleep early and manage your stress too.

Even this pipu with high cortisol (stress hormone) will have increase blood sugar because during stres, your body needs a lot of energy hence cortisol, a catabolic steroid will breakdown glycogen, fat, muscle to sugar causing hyperglycaemia.

Forget supplement and do basic essential lifestyle changes first.
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you got it wrong, more fat cells improve insulin resistance. its when the fat cells become too big(in cell size, not quantity), it become a problem.
fat cells main function is to store glucose, the others cells are pretty much rejecting to store glucose with the exception of liver.

as per gemini ai:
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This post has been edited by zerorating: Jan 11 2025, 03:36 PM
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post Jan 11 2025, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Jan 11 2025, 03:24 PM)
you got it wrong, more fat cells improve insulin resistance. its when the fat cells become too big(in cell size, not quantity), it become a problem.
fat cells main function is to store glucose, the others cells are pretty much rejecting to store glucose with the exception of liver.

as per gemini ai:
user posted image
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so when someone is fat, he has big fat cells or more fat cells? hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(heinlein @ Jan 11 2025, 04:03 PM)
so when someone is fat, he has big fat cells or  more fat cells? hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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do you want to do biopsy to find out?
if their a1c is high, likely the cell is big, more cell or not is different matter. if someone can hit 500lbs (pure body full of fats),then pretty much they have tons of fat cells. a slight reduction of their weight can make the diabetes go away.

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post Jan 11 2025, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Jan 11 2025, 04:04 PM)
do you want to do biopsy to find out?
if their a1c is high, likely the cell is big, more cell or not is different matter. if someone can hit 500lbs (pure body full of fats),then pretty much they have tons of fat cells. a slight reduction of their weight can make the diabetes go away.
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my family got diabetes history so i want to prevent it in any way I could, I notice since primary school my dad and mum ada perut buncit ady that time
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Jan 11 2025, 03:24 PM)
you got it wrong, more fat cells improve insulin resistance. its when the fat cells become too big(in cell size, not quantity), it become a problem.
fat cells main function is to store glucose, the others cells are pretty much rejecting to store glucose with the exception of liver.

as per gemini ai:
user posted image
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Ya i mean gemuk as in larger fat cells. Fat cells dont add in number when gemuk iinm. You get what i mean. Im correcting the notion that gemuk doesnt affect sugar uptake.

Edited: checked my info. Actually both occur.

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QUOTE(heinlein @ Jan 11 2025, 04:11 PM)
my family got diabetes history so i want to prevent it in any way I could, I notice since primary school my dad and mum ada perut buncit ady that time
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then most likely your family genetic dont make much fat cells. you are not only alone, mine too. if i increase my weight to around 100kg pretty much fasting glucose reading will mess up and the tolerance get worse over time.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Jan 11 2025, 04:18 PM)
then most likely your family genetic dont make much fat cells. you are not only alone, mine too. if i increase my weight to around 100kg pretty much fasting glucose reading will mess up and the tolerance get worse over time.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Jan 11 2025, 03:24 PM)
you got it wrong, more fat cells improve insulin resistance. its when the fat cells become too big(in cell size, not quantity), it become a problem.
fat cells main function is to store glucose, the others cells are pretty much rejecting to store glucose with the exception of liver.

as per gemini ai:
user posted image
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No u got it wrong. Short term only but long term its still increasing insulin resistance. Please recheck. Good i learn something new today
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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jan 11 2025, 04:17 PM)
Ya i mean gemuk as in larger fat cells. Fat cells dont add in number when gemuk iinm.  You get what i mean. Im correcting the notion that gemuk doesnt affect sugar uptake.

Edited: checked my info. Actually both occur.
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general consensus said people get their lemak increase when they increase weight. maybe for kids or young adult, it is true. but for middle age, eldely age people, not so much, you probably have fat cells destroyed due to aging instead.
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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jan 11 2025, 04:21 PM)
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No u got it wrong. Short term only but long term its still increasing insulin resistance. Please recheck. Good i learn something new today
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the study dont include normal looking people with fat hyperplasia la. its always those morbidly obese wan. blush.gif blush.gif
but anyway, body dont find the need to produce cells in large number if it doesn't require it to begin with. of course this doesnt account to genetic information.

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post Jan 11 2025, 04:29 PM

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hmmmm sorry to heard that, from now on u better careful yea. I seen real life diabetes struggle a lot , even walking too, they need sit down and rest a lot
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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jan 11 2025, 02:24 PM)
You want to know true pre diabetic you must do serum insulin.

Yes doctors normally dont do until its quite late.
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QUOTE(nelson969 @ Jan 11 2025, 04:29 PM)
hmmmm sorry to heard that, from now on u better careful yea.  I seen real life diabetes struggle a lot , even walking too, they need sit down and rest a lot
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Doing OK, can still walk 10k per day
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QUOTE(poco loco @ Jan 10 2025, 01:15 PM)
welcome to the club....so oral medi or injection or both?
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U type 2?
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QUOTE(rtk73 @ Jan 11 2025, 12:37 PM)
Thanks! Will look into it
No injection
Piss no glucose
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Yours is type 2 diabetes.
Type 2 can be reversed through low carb / keto diet.
Cut carbs and sugar.

I never had diabetes but I am on low carb diet for 5 years already.
Lost 25kgs and I am now lighter and fitter than when I was younger.
I also do cardio and strength training 2 times every 3 days.

I don't eat bread, rice, noodles, pasta, pizza, basically anything that is high carb.
I also avoid ultra processed foods.
I eat fruits but avoid fruits like grapes, durian that is high in sugar content.
Guava and avocado is low in sugar content.
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QUOTE(arkasi @ Jan 10 2025, 11:04 PM)
Oh yeah, sorry ts forgot to mention that biogrow bg22 oats is in powder form per sachet. It's not quacker oats type of cereal.

Take one sachet mix with half cup of water right before each meal.

First few times, best to take it on your off days just in case cause purging until use to it.
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Actually can buy one tin, no need sachet la. Just take by the scoop.

Oats got many form. Not necessary go for this powder form. This one more mahal, lower calorie.

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