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 DNB and 2nd 5G network: needed or not?

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post Apr 15 2025, 05:45 PM

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From the above post's news link, .......

PUTRAJAYA: U Mobile Sdn Bhd, pengendali rangkaian 5G kedua Malaysia, menyasarkan untuk mencapai 80 peratus liputan dalam tempoh 12 bulan selepas perkhidmatan itu mula dilancarkan bermula separuh kedua tahun ini. ...

Earliest 80% 5G coverage by DNB2 is July 2026 = U Mobile will transition their subscribers from DNB1 to DNB2.
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Note that Huawei/ZTE equipment may have hidden backdoor to the CCP in China. Eg .......

https://topjohnwu.medium.com/huaweis-undocu...es-c3a5dd71a7cd - Huawei’s Undocumented APIs — A Backdoor to Reinstall Google Services - 1 Oct 2019
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post Apr 15 2025, 06:33 PM

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U Mobile Selects Huawei, ZTE to Power Next Gen 5G Network

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U Mobile has officially appointed Huawei Malaysia and ZTE Malaysia as its strategic technology partners for the deployment of Malaysia’s next-generation 5G network under the country’s dual network model. The partnership was formalised during a signing ceremony held at the Putrajaya International Convention Centre (PICC), witnessed by senior Malaysian and Chinese officials.

As part of its deployment strategy, Huawei will lead infrastructure development across West Malaysia, while ZTE will take responsibility for East Malaysia. The two companies were selected through a comprehensive and competitive tender process, with U Mobile citing their extensive global experience and longstanding relationship with the company as key factors in the decision.

The new network, which U Mobile is branding as its “Next Gen 5G”, is expected to feature cutting-edge infrastructure and advanced capabilities tailored to enterprise needs, including 5G-Advanced features and network slicing from the outset. The company has set ambitious rollout goals: 80% coverage of populated areas within the first 12 months of deployment, increasing to 90% in the following year.

U Mobile’s focus on delivering an enterprise-grade network highlights its aim to support innovation and digitalisation in high-impact sectors such as healthcare, transportation, smart cities, and data centres. Particular attention will be given to improving indoor coverage, especially in commercial and high-density buildings where 5G signal penetration remains a challenge.

Funding for the project will come from a combination of internal resources, bank loans, and vendor financing, with the company also eyeing future proceeds from a planned initial public offering (IPO). While exact investment figures were not disclosed, U Mobile confirmed the deployment would require multi-billion-ringgit commitments.

Over the years, U Mobile has invested more than RM8 billion into its network infrastructure, building over 10,000 sites nationwide. The addition of its own 5G network marks a major milestone as the company transitions from being a wholesale customer of Digital Nasional Berhad (DNB) to a full-fledged 5G operator in its own right.

In terms of wholesale pricing for its upcoming 5G services, U Mobile indicated that rates would likely align closely with existing benchmarks, such as DNB’s current rate of RM30,000 per Gbps per month. This approach is intended to maintain pricing consistency across the market while ensuring service competitiveness.

U Mobile was appointed in November 2024 to build and operate the country’s second 5G network, a decision aimed at fostering greater industry participation and competition under the dual network framework introduced by the government. The company has pledged to deliver a robust, future-proofed 5G infrastructure capable of advancing Malaysia’s digital economy and meeting the needs of both consumers and enterprises.



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post Apr 15 2025, 06:54 PM

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user posted image https://www.lowyat.net/2025/348221/u-mobile...ge-next-gen-5g/

user posted image https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/733608

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Apr 15 2025, 06:54 PM)
So both "monopoly" 5G network somehow manage to offers cheaper pricing than "competitive" 4G network?

This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Apr 15 2025, 06:58 PM
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post Apr 15 2025, 07:06 PM

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Who said more 5G network the price will be cheaper

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/751572

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post Apr 15 2025, 07:43 PM

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Hmm...

Similar rates offered by existing DNB???

Lolz consumer of Malaysia kena scammed big... MyCC can get involved? It's openly price fixing
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post Apr 15 2025, 07:45 PM

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This is just an undercover for Umobile to increase coverage, nothing more
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post Apr 15 2025, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 15 2025, 05:45 PM)
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From the above post's news link, .......

PUTRAJAYA: U Mobile Sdn Bhd, pengendali rangkaian 5G kedua Malaysia, menyasarkan untuk mencapai 80 peratus liputan dalam tempoh 12 bulan selepas perkhidmatan itu mula dilancarkan bermula separuh kedua tahun ini. ...

Earliest 80% 5G coverage by DNB2 is July 2026 = U Mobile will transition their subscribers from DNB1 to DNB2.
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Note that Huawei/ZTE equipment may have hidden backdoor to the CCP in China. Eg .......

https://topjohnwu.medium.com/huaweis-undocu...es-c3a5dd71a7cd - Huawei’s Undocumented APIs — A Backdoor to Reinstall Google Services - 1 Oct 2019
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Can we then say Ericcson suci murni no backdoor for future spy?
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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Apr 15 2025, 09:25 PM)
Can we then say Ericcson suci murni no backdoor for future spy?
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Bro... the award is the tower that we always see on the road, on the shoplot, and red white red white tower... those equipment cant install anything one....

the backdoor always at core network.... so far 6 telco in malaysia

Celcomdigi : ZTE
Maxis: Ericson Huawei Nokia
YTL: Samsung, ZTE soon
TM/ unifi: Huawei ZTE
UMobile: ZTE
Tunetalk : Nokia

Better explore more on these core network, since DNB 5G will send all data to these core server...
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post Apr 16 2025, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Feb 24 2025, 05:58 PM)
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Unitree Robotics had likely Reverse-Engineered Speck Design's Walker robot from USA (after buying it, eg via UBTech Robotics) or had likely stolen U.S. robotics technology via hacking by CCP China, .......

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/201...s-top-companies - The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies
The attack by Chinese spies reached almost 30 U.S. companies, including Amazon and Apple, by compromising America’s technology supply chain, according to extensive interviews with government and corporate sources.
- 4 Oct 2018

.... Nested on the servers’ motherboards, the testers found a tiny microchip, not much bigger than a grain of rice, that wasn’t part of the boards’ original design. Amazon reported the discovery to U.S. authorities, sending a shudder through the intelligence community. Elemental’s servers could be found in Department of Defense data centers, the CIA’s drone operations, and the onboard networks of Navy warships. And Elemental was just one of hundreds of Supermicro customers.

During the ensuing top-secret probe, which remains open more than three years later, investigators determined that the chips allowed the attackers to create a stealth doorway into any network that included the altered machines. Multiple people familiar with the matter say investigators found that the chips had been inserted at factories run by manufacturing subcontractors in China. ...

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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=111255595


QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Apr 15 2025, 05:45 PM)
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From the above post's news link, .......

PUTRAJAYA: U Mobile Sdn Bhd, pengendali rangkaian 5G kedua Malaysia, menyasarkan untuk mencapai 80 peratus liputan dalam tempoh 12 bulan selepas perkhidmatan itu mula dilancarkan bermula separuh kedua tahun ini. ...

Earliest 80% 5G coverage by DNB2 is July 2026 = U Mobile will transition their subscribers from DNB1 to DNB2.
.

Note that Huawei/ZTE equipment may have hidden backdoor to the CCP in China. Eg .......

https://topjohnwu.medium.com/huaweis-undocu...es-c3a5dd71a7cd - Huawei’s Undocumented APIs — A Backdoor to Reinstall Google Services - 1 Oct 2019
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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Apr 15 2025, 09:25 PM)
Can we then say Ericcson suci murni no backdoor for future spy?
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My repost above fyi, ie AFAIK, it is habitual for CCP China to do so because ALL companies in communist China have to toe the CCP line, or else they are "disappeared". Eg most CEOs of high tech companies in China have close ties to the CCP, eg Tencent CEO's father was a top CCP cadre in Southern China, Huawei's CEO was a PLA member and his elder brother was a CCP member.
....... CCP China are interested in spying on high value targets, not ordinary folks.

.... (CCP) China ordered airlines not to take further deliveries of Boeing Co. jets, according to people familiar with the matter. It marked Beijing’s latest move to retaliate against Trump’s decision to hike levies to as high as 145% on Chinese goods. ...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...-calm-trade-war - 2025-04-15 - trump-says-up-to-china-to-make-tariff-offer-to-calm-trade-war
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No mentions of spectrum?

Also if a device, plan or whatever incapable supporting SA, will U Mobile's 4G bands be used as an anchor?
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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Apr 17 2025, 08:11 AM)
No mentions of spectrum?

Also if a device, plan or whatever incapable supporting SA, will U Mobile's 4G bands be used as an anchor?
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nope
telco own 4G spectrum can't use for 5G SA NSA

Same spectrum as DNB

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Woon also said that Malaysia’s Next Gen 5G network, as U Mobile calls it, will be a 5G Standalone (SA) network from day 1.

In addition to that, the enterprise-grade network will have 5G-Advanced capability and network slicing from day 1 as well. The telco is also planning to increase 5G indoor sites in order to improve 5G in-building coverage (IBC).

https://soyacincau.com/2025/04/15/u-mobile-...coverage-h2-26/
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I agree with you, with recent Meta whistleblower hearing talking about Meta relationship with China. Having Huawei equipment directly into Malaysia network is doesn't sounds convincing privacy and security wise. I know the hate for USA is currently high but ignoring these concerns doesn't solve the long terms issue with Huawei equipment.

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Apr 17 2025, 11:07 AM)
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I agree with you, with recent Meta whistleblower hearing talking about Meta relationship with China. Having Huawei equipment directly into Malaysia network is doesn't sounds convincing privacy and security wise. I know the hate for USA is currently high but ignoring these concerns doesn't solve the long terms issue with Huawei equipment.
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That being said, we should also be aware that the US could be monitoring countries that are friendly to their enemies, and supporting Palestin. And what better way to do so than through network equipment. Both super powers are flexing their muscle.
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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Apr 17 2025, 08:11 AM)
No mentions of spectrum?

Also if a device, plan or whatever incapable supporting SA, will U Mobile's 4G bands be used as an anchor?
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n78

mcmc allocated 200mhz for n78

dnb dapat 100mhz, so the remaining will be for umobile.


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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Apr 17 2025, 11:07 AM)
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I agree with you, with recent Meta whistleblower hearing talking about Meta relationship with China. Having Huawei equipment directly into Malaysia network is doesn't sounds convincing privacy and security wise. I know the hate for USA is currently high but ignoring these concerns doesn't solve the long terms issue with Huawei equipment.
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as if western tech does have backdoor to who make them, neither superpower is innocent.
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Apr 16 2025, 01:38 PM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=111255595
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My repost above fyi, ie AFAIK, it is habitual for CCP China to do so because ALL companies in communist China have to toe the CCP line, or else they are "disappeared". Eg most CEOs of high tech companies in China have close ties to the CCP, eg Tencent CEO's father was a top CCP cadre in Southern China, Huawei's CEO was a PLA member and his elder brother was a CCP member.
....... CCP China are interested in spying on high value targets, not ordinary folks.

.... (CCP) China ordered airlines not to take further deliveries of Boeing Co. jets, according to people familiar with the matter. It marked Beijing’s latest move to retaliate against Trump’s decision to hike levies to as high as 145% on Chinese goods. ...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...-calm-trade-war - 2025-04-15 - trump-says-up-to-china-to-make-tariff-offer-to-calm-trade-war
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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Apr 17 2025, 12:19 PM)
That being said, we should also be aware that the US could be monitoring countries that are friendly to their enemies, and supporting Palestin. And what better way to do so than through network equipment. Both super powers are flexing their muscle.
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Apr 17 2025, 12:41 PM)
as if western tech does have backdoor to who make them, neither superpower is innocent.
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Fyi, Ericsson, Nokia and Samsung are not US companies.

CCP China, Huawei, ZTE, etc got rich in the 2010s by hacking Western companies to steal their advanced technology, like how a thief got rich by stealing from the wealthy.
....... At that time, why would USA and the West want to hack the then poor and backward CCP China, Huawei, ZTE, etc.?
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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Apr 17 2025, 08:11 AM)
No mentions of spectrum?

Also if a device, plan or whatever incapable supporting SA, will U Mobile's 4G bands be used as an anchor?
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 17 2025, 12:35 PM)
n78

mcmc allocated 200mhz for n78

dnb dapat 100mhz, so the remaining will be for umobile.
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USA has also allocated Low-Band 5G frequency 600MHz/N71 to the celcos for best range/coverage and object penetration = much less problem with indoor 5G signal reception, esp at home and in the office.
....... Mid-Band 5G, eg 3500MHz/N78, has poor range/coverage and object penetration = much problems with indoor 5G signal reception = even worse than 4G frequencies.

Will MCMC also do the same, ie allocate Low-Band 5G freq.?
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 17 2025, 01:55 PM)
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USA has also allocated Low-Band 5G frequency 600MHz/N71 to the celcos for best range/coverage and object penetration = much less problem with indoor 5G signal reception, esp at home and in the office.
....... Mid-Band 5G, eg 3500MHz/N78, has poor range/coverage and object penetration = much problems with indoor 5G signal reception =  even worse than 4G frequencies.

Will MCMC also do the same, ie allocate Low-Band 5G freq.?
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that frequency range if not mistaken already taken by our fta tv.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 17 2025, 02:37 PM)
that frequency range if not mistaken already taken by our fta tv.
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Low-Band 5G can be 600MHz to 900MHz, eg by reallocating Low-Band 2G/4G freq (eg 800MHz to 900MHz) for 5G.
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