Hi guys I've just started to get my B full license recently.

Most of the tests are fine but I'm specially bad at Jalan atas titi and selekoh tajam.

Any sifu can give me some tips on overcoming these 2 tests?

On titi - look where you want to go, do not look on the titi...

Similarly with selekoh tajam.

ezpz...

FYI, my 16 years old son got his B Full straight pass. Zero experience with any motorcycle at all.

Good luck.

On titi I can understand. But that selekoh tajam the road is almost as wide as the bike only. Don't look later won't langgar tepi ka?

Titi focus on the cones ahead

Z corner you really need slow down, and keep ur balance while slow

Anyhow practice practice practice until first try come can do

This post has been edited by apieh23: Jul 31 2023, 09:21 PM

For Titi do the following.

1) line up at the titi, but as far back as possible without the rear tyre crossing the line. This will allow you to ramp up speed before getting on the titi.
2) focus on the (slalom) cones ahead, which usually will be in-line with the titi.. Give it throttle to get up on the titi. Immediately feather rear brake and throttle/clutch all through the titi run to keep speed and start counting down 8 seconds. As long as you are focused on going straight and moving, you won't fall off.

For the sharp corner, again feather rear brake (don't use front brake) feather clutch, counter lean (lean slightly away from the corner; while turning right, shift your body left. bike will turn easier...and sharper).

The titi test is more to test nerves than skill. I've seen completely new riders with mere hours on a bike pass the first time and see veteran riders fall off multiple times.

One more advise, when practicing, go off the titi a few times, so you won't be scared of falling off. It will make you calmer later on.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Jul 31 2023, 09:48 PM

I see..... At sharp turn I always lean with the bike. Newbie mah...... No wonder always feel like falling.

I have one question: for example like if I failed 1 section of the test do I need to redo all the tests again or only retry the the section that I failed?

Now the bahagian 3 I no problem dy. Just that 2 sections of litar test I not really confident.

at the sharp z turn no need to lean because very slow speed, focus on turning the handle and try to put the tyre and the end side of the road
example sharp turn right, put your bike at most left side of the road before turning handle right so the bike has more turning radius

in jpj test, fail one section you will fail the whole test.. if that happen need to pay for retake

I haven't take B full yet but this is what I remember when I took B2 license

If you fail the 1st section, you just need to do the first section next time....but since the circuit is continuous, you just have to do 2-3 at the same time.

Just to add for the titi. It's ok to go faster (to gain momentum and balance) for the first 1/4 of the titi as long as you slow down enough for the rest of it. A lot of people make the mistake of going too slow up the titi. Hence leaving 1-2ft of space for you to gain speed before hitting the titi.

The test for me was fun though.... During practice did all the funny things ..like stopping in the middle of the titi while balancing, doing a slight wheelie during the run to e brake...steep lean angles during figure 8. Would be embarrassing if I didn't pass the first time out...hahahaha.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Jul 31 2023, 10:13 PM

OK... I'll tell my teacher to let me keep practice until I'm confident. Anyway I still need to wait 1 month for my L license to be able to register for test.

So I think I'll practice hard in this 1 month time.

If you already have a big bike, practice counter leaning in a parking lot. You will find the bike turns more easily and sharper for tight low speed turns.

Only higher speed corners you can lean with the bike. Low speed is usually counter lean.

I don't own a big bike yet. Thinking of getting one after I get my license. But I'll try your method during my next lesson.

Just to clarify.

For the z turn, it helps to counter lean. It's not necessary. When I mean counter lean, I meant leaning your body away. The bike still leans in the direction of the turn. You are using your body to counter the bike "falling" into the turn.

Same with the figure 8. You can do it better with counter lean. But again not necessary for the test.

But low speed counter leaning is crucial for day to day riding on a big bike on the street...on sharp turns or U-turns.

It's always look where you want to go, not where you are at + tons of practice. You can do it

And practice with all available bike as you'll never know which one will be yours during the test day. Some riding academy mix match their big bike, need to get acustomed with all.

My academy only have 1 bike for B full test. Because not many people willing to spend RM1k+ for that license. Most big bike rider at my place don't have B full. Some B2 also don't have.

You're right, I will discuss with my teacher let me have more practice.

This post has been edited by Si kutu rayau: Aug 1 2023, 10:13 AM

practice practice and more practice

just wondering, er6 or z650? i imagine its more susah on the er6, its a hefty-ish bike

Nowadays got sharp corner test?

Err... Care to let me know the flow of the test for B Full now? Feel so unker already.

It's z650.

1. Jalan titi
2. Strolling between cones
3. Emergency brake
4. Bumpy road
5. Spinning 8
6. Sharp cornering

Then test jalan.

Maybe you have to pay a bit more...

Z650 - ezpz bike, very light.

Expected lah. I have prepared extra $$ just in case.

But of course, I will practice until I'm confident enough before test.

Practice.. you need to focus only on titi, you'll make it.

I failed 2 times because of titi.

3rd passed.

This post has been edited by Natsukashii: Aug 2 2023, 02:58 PM

The titi tests your low-speed balance. It requires you to master the use of the throttle, clutch and rear brake.

A lot of B Full candidates fail because they're not accustomed to managing all 3 at the same time. The size and weight of the bike tend to throw them off too. Some driving school bikes also have shit clutches...

But if my short wife who had never ridden a motorcycle in her life before can pass first time out, you can too.

Her secret is lots of practice on my Dominar 400 and dropping it like a million times. LOL.

Go go go go go go go go

At least you got Z650. ezpz... not like some of us that 'learn' and test on Virago 535. Clunky heavy as rock.

This post has been edited by haturaya: Aug 2 2023, 04:34 PM

Lol...that's because the dominar is harder to ride than the z650. Hahaha

But the main cause of titi failure is test butterflies. As long as bike moving and focused on where you are going, no problem.

Test for me was also easy because I had 1 year on my dominar as my test was interrupted by 2nd MCO.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Aug 2 2023, 04:54 PM

But that bike is poorly maintained. Busted signal light, clutch super heavy, difficult to change gear. Max I can hold it's clutch is 1 hour.

Hand cannot tahan...

bro... where u register? how much it is?

it different rate in klang valley.. while most quote around 700-900, metro driving quote me rm1250

but those cheap one need to wait until dec 2023 (class full)

In Seremban,NS class for B full is 900, class is kinda full pack also need book class schedule date about 1-2 mth

BUT now maybe cheaper as if you got competant driving license already then does not need to retake the L class undang test, if you dont own any license yet then is 900

not bad, metro exactly a year back, was just under 1.6k iirc when i took. but thats all in from L => B full

If from KV, have you tried IMKEDA?

I'm at Sarawak. The price is RM 1020. That's the cheapest I can get. Other places quote RM1230.

This post has been edited by Si kutu rayau: Aug 5 2023, 11:18 AM

Thanks bro for the counter lean tips. After these few days of practice I can do the 8 turn and sharp corner with ease now.

As for Titi also not much problem now. The titi at my training center is so low you don't even feel the bump. My teacher said the test officer don't count properly so as long as don't fall there's no problem. I can last like around 8~9 secs.

The rest kacang saja, now I'll only need to go practice once in a few days mostly to let me familiar with the bike.

My L license is 10 days old only, need to wait enough 1 month to take the test......

This post has been edited by Si kutu rayau: Aug 6 2023, 05:52 PM

no need to wait for test..
just buy your dream bike now

hahahahaha....

btw, I thought applying LDL is not easy.. after applying it online, pay and print receipt have to go to JPJ

UTC can not do, so have to go to Padang JAwa JPJ.. at 10:00 walk in.. damn .. they stop issuing number e.. have to wait another day.. wallawei

Good to hear.

For bigger heavier bikes, it's easier to turn with some counter lean on low speed, sharp corners or U turn. Something you will need to do when you get yourself a big bike.

The logic behind this is, for a big heavier bike to turn sharply, it needs to lean into the turn, the sharper the turn, the more lean it needs. But at low speed, you don't have enough centrifugal force to keep you from falling into the turn, thus you counter balance the bike, by using your body to lean away from it to balance it.

Tight u turns on a big longer wheelbase bike will be darn near impossible to do without counter leaning.

Now go buy a big bike and practice. Hahahaha

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Aug 7 2023, 05:27 PM

don't leave too much gap between the last lesson and day of test. ideally not more than 1 week. pay for extra lesson if need to.

this is provided you do not have a 500cc bike for L

Now I practice 3 days a week until I can test. Currently I'm the only person taking B full at my academy so I can ride anytime.

But actually I'm messing around with the bike. Only take me around 15 minutes to do revision. The rest of time I play play with it.

just means ur getting comfortable, thats good. If there are other units in your school, rotate among the different bikes if possible

My time also most of the time practise days I'm the only b full bike. The b2 guys use half the course, but big bike get to use the full course and the back of the course is empty and far from where everybody is, I keep going there and do full throttle pulls damn fun hahaha

Guys, I've got a question.

If I hold a class A unrestricted UK bike license (equivalent to Malaysia B Full) can I convert them to Malaysian driving license?

Yes you should be.. You need to go to jpj putrajaya hq. Had mine done 20+ years ago. So not sure if the procedure has changed

I converted my Canadian G license (equivalent D class here) back to Malaysia licence as my local licence had long expired

Thank you for the info!

Hi asking the place you all take B full license, is the bike provide to you with crash bar ? and they got say you need to pay the repair fee when you drop the bike or they got insurance to cover the broken when you drop it

No need ask no need care

The bikes provided have been dropped to hell already. You’re not responsible.

That is the issue i am asking because my case, i drop the bike 2 times already and they charged me for the fix and repair fee, the broken clutch lever, brake lever, signal, side fender, back holder,
thats why now i choose to downgrade my B full L to B2 L, i cannot keep handle for this fee you know, a RM900 L class (in which i already paid 750) had now become 650 + 700 repair fee total spent, the best action for me now is complete as B2 Lesen first, in which they refuse to full refund my class payment (only returned 100 after i change to B2 class)

I will need another better place to redo my B full L lesen, got any good place for suggest ? i will move to KL soon, many thanks if can direct tell me any good school

Dahell ~ Which Training Academy you went to ? I dropped the training bike so many times also not a single issue or charges also.

wow.... name drop the schooh. my place ppl drop all they want, dont see anyone paying compensation.

Auto upgrade of Malaysian B2 bike licence to class B

Hello, it's just a proposal..
if the parliament signaled greenlight then its true else a hollow promise.
I am taking b full too.. need to pay more for practice as I developed the habits of riding Kapchai/scooter. XD

can tell me where school you all go to take the course cause i need retake B full after i settle with this broken place first ?

I cant say the full name , but you can google search driving school in Negeri Sembilan , which name looks like this "Ixxxju Hoxxxxxs Sdn. Bhd."

XnmXju rite?

Seremban has only 3 Driving schools.
1 in Galla industry area near Labu
2 in jalan Jelebu
3 in between S2 & Mambau.

myself, metro in subang jaya

Tell them sure
Send a letter outlining their demands

Official sign and chop

Else you won’t pay a single cent

Also ask them to explain how you broke the things when it was broken before you. Show proof.

This post has been edited by Jason: Aug 28 2023, 02:22 PM

kapcai spoil riders
prepare to wear protection gears

Dont recommend anyone went for those school which demand student to pay for the broken parts, i learn the hard way

alright quite near from where my rental place will make a trip once im free, thanks you

haiz, already paid for the bill and ya i sure is my drop make it broken cause it is still ok before my ride before i drop it and grind on ground

the bike in driving school are made to be dropped..
there shouldn't be any extra charge if you screwed it up but tbh I also don't know whats the real law behind this

If you don't already have a B2 license or are new to riding motorcycles, the instructor should have adopted a different strategy instead of putting you on the MT07 right off the bat.

In the case of my wife, they put her on the cubkia for the first 2 sessions. Then she paused her classes while I taught her how to use the clutch and basic riding at the Shah Alam Stadium parking lot. Only when she was proficient enough to be able to ride out of the parking lot and around the neighbourhood did she resume her B Full classes while resuming training & learning roadcraft at home & while touring with me. She completed a few long-distance rides with me before feeling confident to take her JPJ test, which she passed first time out.

But up to a point, she dropped all the bikes she had touched. LOL. The driving school's cubkia & MT07, my D400 & even her 700-CLX.... semua drop! The driving school never charged her anything.

Now no more dropping bikes edy, could safely test ride the 400NK, Vulcan S & Z900RS without me worrying.

My advice to her was... for your first bike, you had better get something that you can put sturdy crash bars & won't break your bank account when you drop it.

Every rider has dropped their bike before. I too have dropped all the bikes I have ever owned, without exception... even my Tiger (nak basuh motor, lupa turunkan tongkat and the thing went down like a ton of bricks).

This post has been edited by ZZR-Pilot: Aug 28 2023, 06:11 PM

There isn't a rider who has never dropped his bike..he just haven't dropped his bike.

WTF?


Since when do they charge for damage? all of them were beat to hell already and all have crash bars. Although I didn't drop mine during practice or test, there were many who did and no one bat an eyelid.

Your test bike does not have crash bars??? I mean at those speeds, there should be only minimal damages if any if the bike has crashbars.

I had mine done at Metro.

No crash bar at all, for my case here, the Z650 is totally without crashbar, tell me to get on straight after i told him i am only kapzaii rider, go out make some corner drop a few time and everything gone bad ,

i need to pay on the spot immediately after drop, without any glove and protection bar i am bleeding at the time and my left leg still in bad shape, already so fed up with this school,

Drop is normal, even on kapzai i also drop hard before on sand road, just not worth to keep try on this bad place, this ganti rugi is so not worth it

I will try go to metro ask if can get my B full there in september after my leg recover first

That school is an idiot if they didn't install crash bars on the bike. The damage should be on them and not you! Plus your medical fees!

thats dumb.... anyway, frankly speaking metro is not the cheapest but as close to a one off payment deal as you can get, retest sampai you lulus. (practical hours is limited tho) and they are one of the quicker places to get ur lesen done.

actually is a genius move, imagine how many bike you can sent to fix at your friends garage/spare part supply shop

well, i already pay alot more than my first prepare budget, any good place is worth the money though

Try checking out IMKEDA if you are in KV.

I heard PS Samy offers B Full at RM550.00 include classes/training and JPJ test at KKB.

BTW, I dropped the Virago 535 twice during my first class and the bike has no protection. But that time was jatuh bodo because I treated the Virago like I treated my old man's EX5. Suka-suka grab the front brake while turning.

This post has been edited by xnobys: Aug 29 2023, 05:35 PM

alright will note down for imkeda, for the RM550 ? Thats very cheap
big bike really different feel when braking compare small and light weight kapz

at nilai seremban also got, I surveyed 2 months ago
unisex driving academy - RM 600 for B full upgrade

havent register yet though.. knowing I can ride a bike even with L make me lazy to register

but B Full L will expired after few month

which country in this world,
test kapchai get sbk lesen?

The max period of L license is 2 yrs..

This post has been edited by yhsiau: Aug 30 2023, 10:44 AM

yet you still need to spend money to extend the period as well, better save the money and straight away go and take the test for B Full lesen.

Yeah...just get it over n done with...1 time thing je...

The longer u delay the more itll cost u...not just with the constant L renewal....but licences arent getting any cheaper either

yeah true but riding is more fun than going to school
and still got time until 2 years

This post has been edited by Patent: Aug 30 2023, 04:18 PM

then like that is up to you, coz is your money not mine, i had no right to control it

This post has been edited by Vincent6596: Aug 30 2023, 05:05 PM

I know exactly the logic they use.

Problem statement: Many big bike riders do not have B Full license.

Solution: Automatic upgrade from B2 to B Full. Problem solved.


In management, this is what we call cuci tangan problem solution - solving the problem at face value only. Kerja orang MALAS.

As for the sohai complaining in support of it, I bet my ass he doesn't even have a B2 license!!! Lesen L sampai mati digilis lori.

my shitpost solution,

anyone who currently still has B2 has to upgrade to B to ride >250cc

abolish B2/B1 license from all driving school and only have B full going foward. no more kapchai to learn riding a bike

bikes in general is a cheap means of transportation, one that even the poorer can afford. if u do this can they even afford to get a license?

seems like they have no issue suggesting upgrading B2 to B, what's stopping them from making B pricing of B2

lol, who is going to pay for the big bike rentals and damages? thats going to stop big bike classes from costing the same as b2 licenses.... u think the prices are higher just for fun ka?

No crash bar eh.... The bike already dropped plenty of times. I even heard other teacher saying someone crashed and broke his legs during test before. That's when my teacher ask me to do the emergency brake challenge in 5 secs. Then he got scolded by other teacher because too dangerous.

I dropped the bike once too. They didn't ask me to pay.

This post has been edited by Si kutu rayau: Sep 1 2023, 02:46 PM

yup no crash bar on heavy bike also one serious issue, during class from the drop that day my leg still swollen and bruise till today still feel pain when walking

Confirmed.

I got my B Full there, from no B to B Full cost me RM930 2 years ago.

Those upgrading from B2 to B were paying RM500++ back then.

PS Samy seems to be the only driving school near Klang Valley to be following JPJ's guideline on fees.

My friend paid RM1.1k to upgrade from B2 to B in Shah Alam. Ouch.
Many schools in Klang Valley are quoting around Rm1k for B2->B.

I think should allow universal license, maybe just separate auto vs manual gear. Those with manual gear lesen can go straight to S1000RR because ABS and TC will save them from their stupidity, kan?

Oh so you also taking B full license? Did your teacher ask you to finish the emergency brake challenge in 5 secs?

Now I'm very confusing, my teacher said must do it in 5 secs or I'll fail. But other teacher said no such thing.

The best I can do is 7 secs. Any faster I can feel the bike out of my control.

The only part of the test that requires timing is titi only. At least during my time.

For emergency brake, you need to start braking after you pass the first line and the bike must stop before the second line. I think...

That's what I do, but my teacher say from the moment my bike start moving until it stop cannot exceed 5 secs. My teacher also confused with a lot of rules because not teaching B full for a long time and the bike keeps breaking down.

My test will be in 2 more weeks. It makes me worry......

its ok, not everyone will pass on the first try. if fail then just retake. no issue

my teacher only said one thing... you must show that the bike is accelerating, and then brake hard, thats it

mine told me must masuk second gear before breaking.

Jamm brake until tyre screeching dy...

The more you worry, the higher likelihood you would fail. Just take it easy. Plenty of people pass on the first try.

As for the e brake test. You just have to accelerate quickly to 50 and brake hard. The big bike will get up to speed really quickly. If the bike has ABS, just let the bike handle the lockup.. I don't see why you would need more than 5secs.

here's the conversation I had with a bike instructor

big bikes emergency brake is not like kapcai, no time limit, as long as you do it within the two lines

learn to use the front brake for hard braking, the rear brake don't need to cause the tyre to lock up and drag

big bike if use rear brake to lock the rear tyre, can cause it to swerve sideways and be even more dangerous

legs need to be ready to steady the bike as it approach to a full stop during the emergency ordeal, not to layan rear brake pedal

To add, only left leg can be put down after braking. Tbh that's what a rider should do when stopping at junction or traffic light but i normally don't see them do it. Usually they just put their right foot down and the left leg on the gear shifter.

Due to my injury and bad school, i downgrade to b2 lesen L now, will redo as B full after i move back to KL, for the B full emergency brake i hear in class is "tidak lebih 6 saat" , which they say 6sc is ok, for kapzaii B2 brake is "tidak lebih 7 saat" i see other guys in class do ok, you no need worry too much also