The titi tests your low-speed balance. It requires you to master the use of the throttle, clutch and rear brake.

A lot of B Full candidates fail because they're not accustomed to managing all 3 at the same time. The size and weight of the bike tend to throw them off too. Some driving school bikes also have shit clutches...

But if my short wife who had never ridden a motorcycle in her life before can pass first time out, you can too.

Her secret is lots of practice on my Dominar 400 and dropping it like a million times. LOL.

If you don't already have a B2 license or are new to riding motorcycles, the instructor should have adopted a different strategy instead of putting you on the MT07 right off the bat.

In the case of my wife, they put her on the cubkia for the first 2 sessions. Then she paused her classes while I taught her how to use the clutch and basic riding at the Shah Alam Stadium parking lot. Only when she was proficient enough to be able to ride out of the parking lot and around the neighbourhood did she resume her B Full classes while resuming training & learning roadcraft at home & while touring with me. She completed a few long-distance rides with me before feeling confident to take her JPJ test, which she passed first time out.

But up to a point, she dropped all the bikes she had touched. LOL. The driving school's cubkia & MT07, my D400 & even her 700-CLX.... semua drop! The driving school never charged her anything.

Now no more dropping bikes edy, could safely test ride the 400NK, Vulcan S & Z900RS without me worrying.

My advice to her was... for your first bike, you had better get something that you can put sturdy crash bars & won't break your bank account when you drop it.

Every rider has dropped their bike before. I too have dropped all the bikes I have ever owned, without exception... even my Tiger (nak basuh motor, lupa turunkan tongkat and the thing went down like a ton of bricks).

This post has been edited by ZZR-Pilot: Aug 28 2023, 06:11 PM

I know exactly the logic they use.

Problem statement: Many big bike riders do not have B Full license.

Solution: Automatic upgrade from B2 to B Full. Problem solved.


In management, this is what we call cuci tangan problem solution - solving the problem at face value only. Kerja orang MALAS.

As for the sohai complaining in support of it, I bet my ass he doesn't even have a B2 license!!! Lesen L sampai mati digilis lori.

When I took my license last time, my instructor said, "Emergency brake tu ko tekan break belakang sampai tayar slide sikit, barulah nampak emergency brake."

Poyo betul, x faham konsep. Patut la tayar belakang botak. Aku pulak bodo, main ikut je... tapi funlah gasak motor besar org lain...

Took my license over 20 years ago, bro.

On Sundays, I used to take my wife out to the Shah Alam Stadium parking lot. It's a popular place for learner riders/drivers. Huge open space, mostly empty on Sundays so zero risk of accidentally banging into a parked car. Nobody will bother you.

We used to go to the Bukit Jalil Stadium car park, until the pakguard found out and chased us out.

Decades ago I already knew taking B2 would do me no service if I intended to ride big bikes one day, so I never bothered and went straight to B Full. Costed me RM400 back then. I already knew how to ride the C70 in kampung anyway.

So I told my wife to do the same when she wanted a bike license, even though she had never ridden any kind of motorcycle in her life before.

The driving school literally told her to go learn the basics somewhere else first before commencing her training. So she took up short lessons on how to ride a kapcai with a clutch from that Hafiq Azmi guy at the Bukit Jalil Stadium carpark before I took over coaching duties using my D400 (we had to bugger off to the Shah Alam stadium coz the pakguard chased us out from the Bukit Jalil stadium carpark.

She passed her JPJ test first time out on a really shite MT07 with knackered brakes & clutch.

Nope, but she was fully dressed in riding boots, riding jacket, gloves and leg protectors. Usual stuff that she rides to work in today. But then, she only signed up for the basic introduction to riding a kapcai with a clutch.

The fella also teaches advanced riding skills for the racetrack - those courses will probably need a full-on leather suit.

Everybody drops their bike at one point. Everybody! Lol.

I've dropped every single bike I hv ever owned, including my current one.

Took my test over 2 decades ago, it's all a bit foggy now. I remember I had always driven a manual car and I was used to riding Pakcik Mat's C70 in the kampung, so the concept of working a clutch and riding a motorcycle wasn't alien to me. All it took was a bit of practice with the driving school's XV535. Wasn't difficult at all.

My wife on the other hand, never drove a manual car and had never ridden a motorcycle before when she decided to go for a B Full license... so that was a bit of a challenge.

The driving school told her to go learn how to ride a bike first from someone else before taking proper lessons.

First thing I taught her on my D400 was what a clutch is and what it does, and how to know when the clutch plates are biting as she slowly releases the clutch lever with the brakes fully on. It was all stationary at this point, she was not allowed to let the bike move or creep forward as it would have been a recipe for disaster in the condo car park for sure.

After 2 days of that, we went to the empty stadium parking lot where it was safer. She was briefed on how the brakes worked and how to cut the power by pulling the clutch + zeroing the throttle in order to safely recover the second she felt things were going out of her control (my biggest fear here is having my wife on a runaway bike). Here she learned how to feed in the power via the throttle and very slowly release the clutch to engage the 1st gear. She had to engage and cut the clutch repeatedly while moving the bike 10 metres in a straight line at a time just to get her used to engaging the clutch. At the end of the stretch, I turned the bike around and she repeated the steps all over again. Expectedly she kept stalling the bike a lot due to insufficient throttle, sometimes it would throw her off balance. She had trouble at this stage coz she wasn't used to the weight of the clutch and the weight of the bike.

At this point we paid that Hafiq Azmi guy to coach her on working the clutch on a much lighter bike - the RS150 kapcai. That did the trick. After 2 sessions she could ride the bike in 1st gear and execute easy turns.

Next was to transfer those new skills to the much heavier D400. This was where she started dropping the bike while gaining sufficient experience to start negotiating a large, simple square circuit around the empty parking lot.

Once she got over that stage, she was allowed to engage 2nd gear to see the difference in throttle response between 1st and 2nd gear. Once she got a hang of that, I let her negotiate a slightly more complex circuit with easy-going left and right turns. Taught her now to slip the clutch and leverage the rear brake for low-speed control to negotiate smaller turns.

It got a lot easier after that. Changed the circuit to introduce a longer stretch so that she may engage 3rd and alternate between the 3 gears so that she could understand how to work the clutch in and out of all 3 gears.

After that, I taught her how to counter-lean to negotiate a wide circular circuit. After she could manage tighter circles, she was ready for the slalom. Easier slaloms first, then tighter ones.

At this point she was ready to return to the driving school to transfer what she had learned from riding the RS150 and D400 to the MT07 with a clapped-out clutch. She learned that there was a challenge each time moving up to bigger bikes.

Towards the end of her driving school classes, she was ready to venture out of the carpark and get on the road. I installed a Cardo Packtalk Bold in her helmet so that I could teach her roadcraft skills.. and off we went. On the road she was reminded of the weight transfer forward while braking and was warned not to rely on the rear brake for stopping except at very low speeds. Front brakes must be used progressively, grabbing an instant handful is a strict no-no. I sold the D400 and got her the 700CLX, and soon she was riding with me from Ampang to my parents' place in Semenyih and to Gopeng.

Her B Full test came soon after and she passed first time out. Her first ride on her B Full license was to Tg Sepat, Pantai Remis and Gohtong Jaya. Made 2 bike trips to Langkawi in the same year.

With enough miles and experience under her belt, she got into the habit of grabbing every test-ride opportunity she could to experience, understand and appreciate the difference in riding across different bikes. Apa lanjiao semua dia balun asalkan seat height 820mm or less - 400NK, Vulcan S, Z900RS, GSX750S, Z900, Trident 660.

Now she rides her to work every day, no problem.





This post has been edited by ZZR-Pilot: Jan 25 2024, 03:08 PM

Since there was no time limit and since we did have a trainer bike at home, there was no need to place undue pressure on the wife by rushing her through her training. After all she had zero experience on two wheels other than riding bicycles, so why rush?

From the time she got her L license, I coached her every week or so for about 7-8 months to make sure she could rack up more than enough practice and experience before going back to the driving school. It was important to build her confidence and competency first before stepping up to the driving school's MT07, in order to minimize the risk of her getting discouraged and giving up.

She completed the required classes with the driving school in 2 months. By that time she was already competent enough to tour with me on the Dominar 400 and 700 CL-X, and she was finally ready for her B-Full test which she aced without any problem.

Depending on your level of experience, it might actually be beneficial for you to start on the smallest clutch-equipped bike possible. After Hafiq Azmi's RS150, we didn't have anything smaller than the Dominar 400 so it had to do. If we had the FZ150 it would have probably been easier for her since it's lighter and weight is always a factor for short, female newbies. But once she mastered the Dominar 400, getting a hang of the MT07 was far less of a problem.

This post has been edited by ZZR-Pilot: Jan 31 2024, 09:48 PM

Well don't get me wrong. While I did not have a good experience owning it and depending on it to get to work, I discovered that it is a fantastic trainer bike for aspiring B Full newbies. My wife learned a hell lot from riding on it, and I sure as hell didn't mind her dropping it (the stock crash bars actually worked well). A quick spray with black paint and I had no problems trading it in for a new 700 CL-X.

If you have the budget, getting a used one for the purpose of gaining the necessary riding experience before investing in your dream B Full bike is not a bad idea provided you know how to inspect the bike and understand its common weak points. Plenty of other sifus here to gladly show you the way.

HOU SAI LEI AAAAAA...!!!

I never bothered with B2, went straight to B Full in the late 90s. Told my wife to do the same thing & not waste money.