for beginner, they can start with a good or bad board. the goal is the same: to make that board provide good typing experience for the user. what matters is that the user learn how to optimize the board accordingly.

factory-prelubed switches are fine, but they never provide the feel that i want. you should try gateron red pro. it has lesser stem wobbles compared to gateron red.

in terms of switch tuning, there is no need to do everything in one go. with a hotswap board, you can do it progressively, e.g., one row at a time, or keys in alpha area first, then number row, then modifier keys, etc. there is also no need to worry about things like relative consistency, unless stock parts are so bad that you can feel obvious differences. in terms of switch lubing, as long as you stick to 'less is more', you will be fine.

all these mods and techniques are pretty straight forward. once you do it more you will get it. for instance, i overlube my switches if i use 203g2, 204/205g0. this is because i know after i type on the switches for few weeks, typing alone will help me spread the lube evenly, without side effects, like lube fart. i do control the amount of lube that i use.

tbh stock tecware phantom rgb are bad. i had one unit before. you should keep your phantom for a while, and do side-by-side comparisons with tuned boards when you have the chance.

Hmm. I see.
Yourself own the whole degreaser and lube or just buy 5-10g to done the job?


Ya, phantom still in hand, a daily drive keyboard.
The phantom you say bad is rgb or the typing feeling bad? .

i have multiple 50g of krytox gpl 203g2, 204g2, and 205g0/g2. for plain oil, i also have multiple 50ml of krytox gpl 101, 103, 104, 105, 106, and 107. they have different viscosity, so switch type, amount and techniques to apply them are also different.

as reference, you should get small volumes of 205g0 to try out first.

i meant stock tecware phantom rgb has bad typing feel.

hey I just started with RK84, cheap cheap. I type a lot mainly on coding & messaging.
been used to right thumb ENTER, very not familiar with smaller layout

which budget liner switches would you recommend? i dont think i'll do modding or lubing..

This post has been edited by wingwp: Feb 2 2023, 09:32 PM

uh? you use left thumb to press enter key? that's an unusual typing style.

for linear switches, you should try jwick black, nylon top and bottom housing; two variants of spring weight, 58.5g, and 63.5g. there are also other members in jwick series (pc top, nylon bottom), jwick white (45g), red (62g), and yellow (65g).

it's better to lube the spring, and side rails of bottom housing, at least.

right thumb sorry

thanks for the recommendation, will the jwick black block the led light?

yes it will block the led light. that's also why i put down options with pc-based switch top.

https://www.lowyat.net/2023/293341/lol-verifier/

not to judge others, but just pointing out this now exists for keyboards. put it another way, would you spend money for something like this? i wouldn't. but it's apparently a thing if you feel like you need it

it's for fun mah. these days we can program silly things to make ourselves laugh a bit

looking for 104/full size white mkb with hot swap switch for my dad as present.
any good recommendation?
currently in my shopee cart: royal kludge, white, 104, blue, hotswap, 3 mode @ RM229.90


This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Feb 3 2023, 09:00 PM

Personally I do prefer the Gateron yellows over the red.
My wife's K4 Keychron came with Gateron reds and I always felt the response was a bit too light.
But the main reason I got them was coz they have the SMD version for RGB else I would had gone with the Gateron Oil Kings.

these days, switches from haimu, especially their silent switches, caught the attention of mkb community. they have a different implementation of switch stem, compared to the cherry mx's. (there are other implementations, but cherry mx's are implemented by most well-known brands)

traditionally, silicone/rubber-like materials are used at each side of a stem to minimize key sound. however this results in mushiness. the feel is not as 'clean' as normal switches.

my custom keyboard arrived.
still need to adapt myself to use the new layout.
especially i keep move my finger to delete key on fullsize where keep accidentally pressed the pageup
the typing feeling actually much different in finger side (ofc it got different, just not that much), more to the sound lol
and the key that make most noise is the space bar. (not coimplain, just the first hand experience)

Here few picture for THE keyboard
it is big boy heavy, (2kg i think?)


keycap i pick from what seller suggested fews, 02 Darling the Franx.


and the overall look.





*this reply typed from new keyboard. still take time to 'biasa' especially the keyboard height.

This post has been edited by josh5671: Feb 3 2023, 08:09 PM

josh5671, after using it for a while at stock configuration, you should start tuning it progressively.

hotswap boards are good for beginner, because they are relatively convenient to do tuning, so that user can pick up basics quicker.

this is especially true when the kits have value-added features, like foams, and top plates with different materials.

have fun

Stock key enough 'thock' enough, i believe seller already done what diy-er will do. Unless the performance degraded so far away i think wont detect it lol.

Other that, i think space bar will double check what causing different sound.

Thanks... I always appreciate the 'silent switch' makers... ordered both Heartbeat/Whisper to try it out.

There's an interesting comment from a buyer

silent switches from haimu have shorter key travel distance (3.5mm; it's like cherry mx speed/silver).

the part about 'sometimes would not register key press' might be due to the light typing habit of the user. just swap the stock 65g springs with lighter ones.

This post has been edited by horns: Feb 7 2023, 06:58 PM

hi, sorry i am new to keyboard world.

is gmk67+leobog greywood v3 switch for rm 247 ok?

no warranty though.

This post has been edited by miyeonevermioff: Feb 10 2023, 05:37 PM

New or used? You can get new without keycaps for around the same price.

I'm using the same setup, really liking it, preference is for gaming though, sounds marbly with the xda pbt keycaps, really nice.

its new! yeah, without keycaps. seller is on shopee. just abit worried without warranty. maybe i should be brave this time lel.

however there are other options such as keychron k6/k12 around the same price, 270+-

i do like marbly sounds!

This post has been edited by miyeonevermioff: Feb 10 2023, 06:30 PM