2011 Tuah by Italdesign Guigiarro. First proper Proton design with an Internationally acclaimmed design company.
Preve.
Inspired from this?:
Proton's greatest car design and effort. Seriously, Why the the car was a flop? Is this because the Civic, Altis or even Elantra sold at the time? Is this because Malaysians still thinking Hatchback design are useless? Released in a wrong time?
Suprima had the potential to sold in Europe countries, it had a good Euro design, but failed to do so. So sad, money being wasted by Proton.😢😢😢
What do you guys think? Discuss.
This post has been edited by MaybachS600: Mar 7 2022, 08:05 AM
2011 Tuah by Italdesign Guigiarro. First proper Proton design with an Internationally acclaimmed design company.
Preve.
Inspired from this?:
Proton's greatest car design and effort. Seriously, Why the the car was a flop? Is this because the Civic, Altis or even Elantra sold at the time? Is this because Malaysians still thinking Hatchback design are useless? Released in a wrong time?
Suprima had the potential to sold in Europe countries, it had a good Euro design, but failed to do so. So sad, money being wasted by Proton.😢😢😢
What do guys think? Discuss.
Orang sudah design cantik cantik sampai management potong sana pm cut sini kroni situ. Patut pakai 4at or 5 at untuk kereta tu bagi pakai cvt. End up user expirience kelong.
2011 Tuah by Italdesign Guigiarro. First proper Proton design with an Internationally acclaimmed design company.
Preve.
Inspired from this?:
Proton's greatest car design and effort. Seriously, Why the the car was a flop? Is this because the Civic, Altis or even Elantra sold at the time? Is this because Malaysians still thinking Hatchback design are useless? Released in a wrong time?
Suprima had the potential to sold in Europe countries, it had a good Euro design, but failed to do so. So sad, money being wasted by Proton.😢😢😢
What do you guys think? Discuss.
Because in 2011 and 2013, the company Proton was still run by oren kito kroni.
Any turnaround happened after control was relinquished to Geely.
Orang sudah design cantik cantik sampai management potong sana pm cut sini kroni situ. Patut pakai 4at or 5 at untuk kereta tu bagi pakai cvt. End up user expirience kelong.
Proton and it's Mama-Macha crony story is inseperable.🤣🤣🤣
The original Tuah was nice. Who's the idiot that fark it up???
I think, this fella and his ultra sohai team : Azlan Othman, Proton's Head of Styling was dispatched to Turin under the collaboration with Italdesign which lasted almost a year.
If this dude is ultra talented why Italdesign does not keep him for a lifetime? Asking him to design Ferraris?
This post has been edited by MaybachS600: Mar 7 2022, 08:16 AM
I think, this fella and his ultra sohai team : Azlan Othman, Proton's Head of Styling was dispatched to Turin under the collaboration with Italdesign which lasted almost a year.
Spent money to hire Angmoh made nice car, then sendiri pandai pandai change it back to fugly monster.
2011 Tuah by Italdesign Guigiarro. First proper Proton design with an Internationally acclaimmed design company.
Preve.
Inspired from this?:
Proton's greatest car design and effort. Seriously, Why the the car was a flop? Is this because the Civic, Altis or even Elantra sold at the time? Is this because Malaysians still thinking Hatchback design are useless? Released in a wrong time?
Suprima had the potential to sold in Europe countries, it had a good Euro design, but failed to do so. So sad, money being wasted by Proton.😢😢😢
What do you guys think? Discuss.
Time to market, underperforming engine, and some bad design choices ( missing glove box). Proton didn't do their market research properly as well. No matter how good your engineers if the folks at marketing give shit requirements, you are just throwing good money after bad.
I might want to add that if the Preve had come out in its final mature form instead of Gen2 when it was launched, the story of Proton might have been different.
This post has been edited by oe_kintaro: Mar 7 2022, 08:18 AM
DSZ idea but not fully delivered by DRB mcm sial rushing to launch suku baked car..
Coming from Preve owner but not stock anymore..
Anyways 2nd hand price cheap gila that credit loan gaji 1500 can lulus owai..
but the owner mostly cannot maintain and always use non original parts for repair and replacement and actually got few expert workshop that can fixed all issue for this car..
now popular already Custom steel hose to replace rubber OCH..
CVT can be replaced by using reconditioned punch unit gb which is refurbish by their kilang ...rm3.5k latest price not including upah pasanngg..
more than dozens already converted to 4gxx engine ..i loss count already.. but more coming soon..car is heavy..engine is underpowered..luls fk safety feutures we said lol
This post has been edited by THE CLASS OF 13: Mar 7 2022, 08:39 AM
Because local supply chain is so corrupt, that's why you see all the spare part issues with binyu & Boyue
Geely have to sort out big mess for us
Its geely who is managing proton la. and they screw up proton brands because their intention is just to sell geely car. normal for all china brands - sell first so cheap later if broken throw away buy new ones. same like oppo vivo all. While Sony, Honda Toyota take care of customer, merc and bwm even help you wash after you pangsai, lolls loyce hire amoi tou wash your pangsai
Maybe from paper sketch it looks good but the finish product is just hideous. You touch and feel the interior....it make kia picanto feels like Bentley. I recall one of the proton engineer mention the suprima was bench marked against the bmw f20 1 series. They are nowhere near the bmw.
This post has been edited by gtfan: Mar 7 2022, 08:59 AM
So far they also fail to produce a better service. X50 and X70 still failed. They need to provide more proof to show that they are better managers.
Proton became profitable again under Geely - so can safely say they are better at running the company.
in the mid-2000s, i used to do some work with Proton in their SA plants and offices. i can tell you the culture there was one of the worst (if not the worst) tidak-apa attitudes in corporate Malaysia.
up down left right everyone curi tulang like bapak punya kilang
Its geely who is managing proton la. and they screw up proton brands because their intention is just to sell geely car. normal for all china brands - sell first so cheap later if broken throw away buy new ones. same like oppo vivo all. While Sony, Honda Toyota take care of customer, merc and bwm even help you wash after you pangsai, lolls loyce hire amoi tou wash your pangsai
except our car is much expensive with all the taxes and duties (+ interest on top of otr price) compare to china
Best part is, cannot find a better material to replace the hose permanently. Maybe engine oil inside there running at 5000psi, no suitable material can sustain it.
The original Tuah was nice. Who's the idiot that fark it up???
Yeah, the rear of the cars look bulky, saggy and dated. The front design is just a time bomb to look old very soon. Instant put-off for those with eyes to see.
Maybe buta fella might think both the cars are nice. hahahah
Blame it on the culture, people n leaders. When the system disregard Meritocracy, we dont have the innovation to build cars, the most we could achieve is assembly. Thailand later moved in this direction n become the detroit of SEA. To protect them we spent our income on inferior products or expensive non-national cars n this affect our savings. Really incompetent.
to me, preve is good car. But the sales of preve drop becoz that time persona have achieved good quality car. and persona is the same class as preve. so perosna actually makan preve brand and sales. to me preve is for m40 and above car, but many unaffordable people buy it. remember campro engine best using ron97 not ron95 around this time as dont have vvt. and lastly most preve dont service at SC but prefer pokok chery
i'll say gearbox more crap. i dun like the delay of early proton CVT.
suprima was actually a pretty good car, really fun to drive. but....the deal breaker for me is again the gearbox. if only they release MT variant here, i confirm buy.
to me, preve is good car. But the sales of preve drop becoz that time persona have achieved good quality car. and persona is the same class as preve. so perosna actually makan preve brand and sales. to me preve is for m40 and above car, but many unaffordable people buy it. remember campro engine best using ron97 not ron95 around this time as dont have vvt. and lastly most preve dont service at SC but prefer pokok chery
what's the problem between servicing preve at SC vs pokok chery?
First 2 main point are Proton major weakness during 2010. Put this 2 points on white board, and this "P3-21A project" should be send to trash can.
Proton should spend money on: 1) Improving Campro OR collaborate with Mitsubishi (since got new engine 4B1x MIVEC DOHC I4) 2) Resolve Persona 2007 flaws 3) Resolve Exora 2009 flaws
Bruh, Proton already launch Inspira in 2010... why bother adding another model?
Best part is, cannot find a better material to replace the hose permanently. Maybe engine oil inside there running at 5000psi, no suitable material can sustain it.
from fb got shop able to replace this with a better material which suppose can last long, rm1k+
Orang sudah design cantik cantik sampai management potong sana pm cut sini kroni situ. Patut pakai 4at or 5 at untuk kereta tu bagi pakai cvt. End up user expirience kelong.
memang betul2 terjadi ka ni? top management mesti tua2 bangka belaka
Preve and Suprima S everything is ok only the Punch CVT pull it down , the CVT oil leak issue was overcome by replacing the host in the later design, until DRB come in again and change the decision.
Azlan Othman . If this dude is ultra talented, why Italdesign does not employ him and ask to design Ferraris?
Why would Italdesign design Ferrari? You are mistaken it with Pininfarina that designed Ferrari a lot. Azlan was sent to Italdesign to give input from Proton perspective.
Never a fan of any of Azlan designs and his view on car design also doesn't excite me. That was why we keep getting tall kontot car with huge aquarium windows and windshields. Even Exora suffered from this even thought they based the design on Toyota Wish.
Why would Italdesign design Ferrari? You are mistaken it with Pininfarina that designed Ferrari a lot. Azlan was sent to Italdesign to give input from Proton perspective.
Never a fan of any of Azlan designs and his view on car design also doesn't excite me. That was why we keep getting tall kontot car with huge aquarium windows and windshields. Even Exora suffered from this even thought they based the design on Toyota Wish.
exora was designed based on mitsu grandis if Im not mistaken
also, proton designer guy always failed at designing the back end of proton cars
had waja lask time, the light output kinda the poorest among all cars in our market. need to use high beam all time only able to look clearly. H1 bulbs size, only waja use it.
had waja lask time, the light output kinda the poorest among all cars in our market. need to use high beam all time only able to look clearly. H1 bulbs size, only waja use it.
Agree I guess the projector lens used on wajas is bad quality.
exora was designed based on mitsu grandis if Im not mistaken
also, proton designer guy always failed at designing the back end of proton cars
I heard that too. But I used to read Azlan's blog long time ago how a few of his office mate and him own Toyota Wish and they do a lot of comparison with it. Iirc, they even use one as test mule.
Why would Italdesign design Ferrari? You are mistaken it with Pininfarina that designed Ferrari a lot. Azlan was sent to Italdesign to give input from Proton perspective.
Never a fan of any of Azlan designs and his view on car design also doesn't excite me. That was why we keep getting tall kontot car with huge aquarium windows and windshields. Even Exora suffered from this even thought they based the design on Toyota Wish.
summore when you have syiok sendiri ceo
This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: Mar 7 2022, 12:15 PM
I heard that too. But I used to read Azlan's blog long time ago how a few of his office mate and him own Toyota Wish and they do a lot of comparison with it. Iirc, they even use one as test mule.
Proton became profitable again under Geely - so can safely say they are better at running the company.
in the mid-2000s, i used to do some work with Proton in their SA plants and offices. i can tell you the culture there was one of the worst (if not the worst) tidak-apa attitudes in corporate Malaysia.
up down left right everyone curi tulang like bapak punya kilang
Hmmm. Coincidentally at the time waja tiara juara and some other crap models were introduced at that time that really started driving proton reputation down the drain. Before that at least iswara and wira still had Mitsubishi reliability. Maybe after mamak retired 1.0, everyone started to slack off without supervision?
but really its a fun car to drive (as long you dont cheapskate on maintenance) . looks friendly but can bite the road
till today im still wondering why so much hate for suprima. its not perfect but it does what it does, so far i had no big issue, yet
I have driven waja, preve , saga blm and saga vvt for a short time. and yes the handling is good ( comparing to other local cars like perodua , which is basically a sampan on the road ) .
my favorite weekend route would be kuala pilah - kuala klawang- seremban as well as Federal Route 59 tapah-cameron
but refinement is just not there. you will find some odd things about the car. like saga vvt. why cant the bonnet have latch from the outside? yes they have fix it on the new saga 4at. but those kind of odd things is quite a turn off.
and they never make a good seat materials, in this particular section perodua have better one ( except for axia and bezza, whoever design that uncomfortable seats should be sacked )
This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: Mar 7 2022, 12:38 PM
Hmmm. Coincidentally at the time waja tiara juara and some other crap models were introduced at that time that really started driving proton reputation down the drain. Before that at least iswara and wira still had Mitsubishi reliability. Maybe after mamak retired 1.0, everyone started to slack off without supervision?
mahathir was still indirectly involved when he stepped down in 2002 as advisors/chairman till 2016
Coz the name proton 🤭 Serious note, it didn't expect preve to be that bad till my former company issued brand new preve to project staffs. Every few month can hear complains on gearbox spoil engine spoil 🤭 project over, now all become scrap
The events that led to the non-renewal of Mahaleel’s contract began when he stalled over signing a new contract offered by Proton’s board in March 2005. The board was then chaired by Datuk Mohammed Azlan Hashim. Mahaleel, a close ally of former prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad was reportedly unhappy with the terms of the contract, which were viewed as unfavourable compared to the previous contracts.
It is understood that among the terms of the new contract that the Kelantan prince found unacceptable was a requirement that he keep daily notes of his work at Proton and to make these notes available to the board whenever required. It is no secret that the board was seeking to rein in Mahaleel, who was known for making decisions for Proton without prior board approval. The Proton board subsequently decided against renewing his contract.
It is understood that the decision to settle with Mahaleel this time was influenced by Proton adviser, Mahathir, who has taken a more active role in Proton since the resignation of Azlan. A source tells The Edge that the board had initially planned on paying Mahaleel a smaller sum to settle the dispute, but this was subsequently raised to RM5 million upon the request of Mahathir.
This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: Mar 7 2022, 01:17 PM
Both is not economical to maintain at all. The fuel consumption can kill u.
luckily petrol is cheap here*
an ok ok la, how much fuel does 1.3L consume, even with lousy fc? its those 2.0L and turbo cars that really have high wallet busting FC for average malaysian.
*: compared to other parts of the world, even our neighbours
Sorry to derail, but Asianometry just released a video on Thailand auto sector, the 3rd largest in Asia and largest in SEA. looking at the comments, some of them seem eerily familar....
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
I was an advisor to the ministry of defense in Thailand in 2005. This is what I know. Thailand has long been under royal hierarchy and military control for over 200 years. All rules and the public are regulated by inexperienced politicians and their peers. Most senators bribe the way to a position that costs 100 million-plus per person. Same as the police promotion to a higher rank. Money will get what you want. Murder walks away if the price is right, just like the case of billionaire Red Bull energy drink. The state staffs of 99% are Thai but the private sectors are mostly the Chinese like corporate CP, media, bankers, and many FDI who employed unskilled Thais farmers for cheap labor all over the country. Thai police also operate sex clubs, drug trade, casinos, money laundering, etc. Thai politicians, police, soldiers, and CEOs are very corrupt. The god family, high-rank military make money from bribery of Japanese, Chinese-owned companies and FDI. Corruption is rampant, from low-rank police to high-rank soldiers, staff of all sectors and all levels. Thai people accepted corruption as the way of life. The royal and their peer are multi-billionaires and enjoy the high-level society. A bottle of wine costs $3,500 they enjoy during the deal-making. That is just a peanut. All the P.M. and cabinet are corrupted, never concerned for millions of poverty. The intention always uses people as cheap slave labor for Japanese, Chinese, and FDI corporations. That is why IT and self make auto never happen. Not only automobiles but also agriculture. Rubber and rice export were world number one. Thai prefer to export raw rubber instead of tires or shoes. Only low-quality technical schools in BKK but worth nothing. They are not stupid, but ignorant. With corrupt leaders under mafia politicians, polices, and soldiers, Thailand is going downhill. Women become hookers from the school campus to office workers. Approx 1 million sex workers, but this is a low number. More women looking for white trash men to support them since the VN war. Sex tourist proliferating as world number one. Low-life tourists and criminals are here for sex, prone, drug trade, and long-stay. Thai gov't issue a new policy for the rich tourist to make more profit for themselves. The future is unclear. Thai is whitewashed culture against China and a poor nation. Poor education and arrogant attitude take them nowhere to hell. Only food and sex industries may survive, but just get by with low quality. It is a pity Thailand has the advantage of natural resources and location, but not human resources. S.E. Asia has the same sick symptom. ASEAN gets better because China trades BRI, not themselves. Only Singapore up to the standard the less remains the sick old snail nations. I suggest you do more videos about the real ASEAN, it is getting rich but only for a few. The US is coming this way for more war and dollars. Your research is excellent and 100% correct. Another piece of excellent quality, you are what you do. The Philippines is like Thai but better with Duterte. Can you do research on PH?
This post has been edited by diffyhelman2: Mar 7 2022, 01:22 PM
Best part is, cannot find a better material to replace the hose permanently. Maybe engine oil inside there running at 5000psi, no suitable material can sustain it.
Was wondering if other turbo cars such as honda soft turbos (crv, civic, etc) got similar OCH bocor problem?
and they would be correct. car magazines and youtube channels love to focus on all the sporty models, but the bread and butter segment for car makers here are A and B segment econoboxes.
Coz the name proton 🤭 Serious note, it didn't expect preve to be that bad till my former company issued brand new preve to project staffs. Every few month can hear complains on gearbox spoil engine spoil 🤭 project over, now all become scrap
In the 90s my Dad was issued first Saga, then Wira as company car, both automatics. Still remember them, they were always bomb proof (other than power windows, but not as bad as the Waja ). Dad liked the Wira so much he purchased the car from the company.
Hmmm. Coincidentally at the time waja tiara juara and some other crap models were introduced at that time that really started driving proton reputation down the drain. Before that at least iswara and wira still had Mitsubishi reliability. Maybe after mamak retired 1.0, everyone started to slack off without supervision?
downhill started much earlier than that, once they started moving away from Mitsubishi rebadges.
also because certain quarters in Proton management really started treating the company like their bank account to fund their hobbies and side projects.
downhill started much earlier than that, once they started moving away from Mitsubishi rebadges.
also because certain quarters in Proton management really started treating the company like their bank account to fund their hobbies and side projects.
They really milked the 1983 Lancer Fiore platform 99 dry. imagine the last Iswara was made in 2008! so other than body panel stamping (when they changed from Saga to Iswara), no capex was invested for new tooling for over 20 years for their A/B segment! In that time, Mitsubishi lancer had gone thru 3 generations of platforms....
ya lor can try to find if there is any DIY kit instead of changing whole
its actually pretty easy to DIY the power window motors once you can take off the door panels. just have to be very careful not to break plastic hooks and clips especially on old cars where they have hardened. Shopee sells those tools to help you release the clips easier.
idk man i love this car. shit car but im used to it. just remember not to floor the pedals for too long your car will get overheated
might consider upgrading my cooling system
Using Suprima daily until family member increase. Had to upgrade to bigger car with more boot space and seats. Regret selling it actually. The new onwer kept calling me for 2-3 years asking me maintainance and why sell car. I keep saying I needed bigger car.
Using Suprima daily until family member increase. Had to upgrade to bigger car with more boot space and seats. Regret selling it actually. The new onwer kept calling me for 2-3 years asking me maintainance and why sell car. I keep saying I needed bigger car.
I mean got parts for new builds but not spares? Pissing existing customers , that's not how you do business.
Even new cars got waiting list. So their production run really ngam ngam JIT. They don’t want to make excess inventory. Yup, kiamsiap profit minded but what to do, tau tau la next time new car purchase keep this in mind. Easy to find spare parts car you know are which brands la.
Also OEM local suppliers supposed to make these parts but for whatever reason CMI to meet Geely standard.
This post has been edited by diffyhelman2: Mar 7 2022, 02:03 PM
They really milked the 1983 Lancer Fiore platform 99 dry. imagine the last Iswara was made in 2008! so other than body panel stamping (when they changed from Saga to Iswara), no capex was invested for new tooling for over 20 years for their A/B segment! In that time, Mitsubishi lancer had gone thru 3 generations of platforms....
As i understand from the Proton folks back in those days was this was because they already submitted an order to a kroni for a million plus of those body panels - thus they had to keep churning out the Fiore-ish models with minor changes here and there. The final one i think it was the gray one with the different grill in the front (the one with funny circle holes).
Its geely who is managing proton la. and they screw up proton brands because their intention is just to sell geely car. normal for all china brands - sell first so cheap later if broken throw away buy new ones. same like oppo vivo all. While Sony, Honda Toyota take care of customer, merc and bwm even help you wash after you pangsai, lolls loyce hire amoi tou wash your pangsai
you mean their intention should be , to groom local talent to be able to design world class car?
an ok ok la, how much fuel does 1.3L consume, even with lousy fc? its those 2.0L and turbo cars that really have high wallet busting FC for average malaysian.
*: compared to other parts of the world, even our neighbours Sorry to derail, but Asianometry just released a video on Thailand auto sector, the 3rd largest in Asia and largest in SEA. looking at the comments, some of them seem eerily familar....
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
I was an advisor to the ministry of defense in Thailand in 2005. This is what I know. Thailand has long been under royal hierarchy and military control for over 200 years. All rules and the public are regulated by inexperienced politicians and their peers. Most senators bribe the way to a position that costs 100 million-plus per person. Same as the police promotion to a higher rank. Money will get what you want. Murder walks away if the price is right, just like the case of billionaire Red Bull energy drink. The state staffs of 99% are Thai but the private sectors are mostly the Chinese like corporate CP, media, bankers, and many FDI who employed unskilled Thais farmers for cheap labor all over the country. Thai police also operate sex clubs, drug trade, casinos, money laundering, etc. Thai politicians, police, soldiers, and CEOs are very corrupt. The god family, high-rank military make money from bribery of Japanese, Chinese-owned companies and FDI. Corruption is rampant, from low-rank police to high-rank soldiers, staff of all sectors and all levels. Thai people accepted corruption as the way of life. The royal and their peer are multi-billionaires and enjoy the high-level society. A bottle of wine costs $3,500 they enjoy during the deal-making. That is just a peanut. All the P.M. and cabinet are corrupted, never concerned for millions of poverty. The intention always uses people as cheap slave labor for Japanese, Chinese, and FDI corporations. That is why IT and self make auto never happen. Not only automobiles but also agriculture. Rubber and rice export were world number one. Thai prefer to export raw rubber instead of tires or shoes. Only low-quality technical schools in BKK but worth nothing. They are not stupid, but ignorant. With corrupt leaders under mafia politicians, polices, and soldiers, Thailand is going downhill. Women become hookers from the school campus to office workers. Approx 1 million sex workers, but this is a low number. More women looking for white trash men to support them since the VN war. Sex tourist proliferating as world number one. Low-life tourists and criminals are here for sex, prone, drug trade, and long-stay. Thai gov't issue a new policy for the rich tourist to make more profit for themselves. The future is unclear. Thai is whitewashed culture against China and a poor nation. Poor education and arrogant attitude take them nowhere to hell. Only food and sex industries may survive, but just get by with low quality. It is a pity Thailand has the advantage of natural resources and location, but not human resources. S.E. Asia has the same sick symptom. ASEAN gets better because China trades BRI, not themselves. Only Singapore up to the standard the less remains the sick old snail nations. I suggest you do more videos about the real ASEAN, it is getting rich but only for a few. The US is coming this way for more war and dollars. Your research is excellent and 100% correct. Another piece of excellent quality, you are what you do. The Philippines is like Thai but better with Duterte. Can you do research on PH?
no wonder they still poor.
even the 'enlightened guy' still harping on China CHinese China Chinese.
what if i told you that corruption is not the problem?
Chinese is not the problem?
how can the people survive when 1 person own so much?
I have driven waja, preve , saga blm and saga vvt for a short time. and yes the handling is good ( comparing to other local cars like perodua , which is basically a sampan on the road ) .
my favorite weekend route would be kuala pilah - kuala klawang- seremban as well as Federal Route 59 tapah-cameron
but refinement is just not there. you will find some odd things about the car. like saga vvt. why cant the bonnet have latch from the outside? yes they have fix it on the new saga 4at. but those kind of odd things is quite a turn off.
and they never make a good seat materials, in this particular section perodua have better one ( except for axia and bezza, whoever design that uncomfortable seats should be sacked )
saga blm early model got 1 spec that dont have side signal light. How did it ever made to production and sold to market also dont know. Magic kot.
Preve is the first Malaysian Conti in terms of maintenance , its a kindergarden for future contis owner of the real conti like BMW & Audi
used Preve CFE owns by office, together with old Waja CPS, both auto. TBH, waja gb even with old 4 gear drove much better than punch cvt, especially the start-stop situation and during full throttle, the CVT drowning sound kinda hard to accept. Both had FC poor to average vs another car with a similar range of HP/Torque.
Quality issue are same in both cars, Waja with power window things, some button on radio malfunction etc, good things are the HID Standard on cps, but still not bright enough, maybe H1 Bulbs size is not ok for the headlamp.
Preve on another hand had the radiator fan malfunction, triggered overheating alarm at a traffic light, 3 times cant switch off the engine (maybe the starter issues), numerous bulb burns for the halogen, and one-time cant switch off the main headlight after turn off the engine. These things make me wonder if Proton actually test it properly during the car design phase?
used Preve CFE owns by office, together with old Waja CPS, both auto. TBH, waja gb even with old 4 gear drove much better than punch cvt, especially the start-stop situation and during full throttle, the CVT drowning sound kinda hard to accept. Both had FC poor to average vs another car with a similar range of HP/Torque.
Quality issue are same in both cars, Waja with power window things, some button on radio malfunction etc, good things are the HID Standard on cps, but still not bright enough, maybe H1 Bulbs size is not ok for the headlamp.
Preve on another hand had the radiator fan malfunction, triggered overheating alarm at a traffic light, 3 times cant switch off the engine (maybe the starter issues), numerous bulb burns for the halogen, and one-time cant switch off the main headlight after turn off the engine. These things make me wonder if Proton actually test it properly during the car design phase?
Waja got problem where the outside door handle are such thin plastic they snapped off. Personal experience. But the engine is smooth n no vibration, my waja was still the 4g18 Mitsubishi engine.
used Preve CFE owns by office, together with old Waja CPS, both auto. TBH, waja gb even with old 4 gear drove much better than punch cvt, especially the start-stop situation and during full throttle, the CVT drowning sound kinda hard to accept. Both had FC poor to average vs another car with a similar range of HP/Torque.
Quality issue are same in both cars, Waja with power window things, some button on radio malfunction etc, good things are the HID Standard on cps, but still not bright enough, maybe H1 Bulbs size is not ok for the headlamp.
Preve on another hand had the radiator fan malfunction, triggered overheating alarm at a traffic light, 3 times cant switch off the engine (maybe the starter issues), numerous bulb burns for the halogen, and one-time cant switch off the main headlight after turn off the engine. These things make me wonder if Proton actually test it properly during the car design phase?
same issue with saga and persona. the radiator fan relay too hot until it melted its base.
used Preve CFE owns by office, together with old Waja CPS, both auto. TBH, waja gb even with old 4 gear drove much better than punch cvt, especially the start-stop situation and during full throttle, the CVT drowning sound kinda hard to accept. Both had FC poor to average vs another car with a similar range of HP/Torque.
Quality issue are same in both cars, Waja with power window things, some button on radio malfunction etc, good things are the HID Standard on cps, but still not bright enough, maybe H1 Bulbs size is not ok for the headlamp.
Preve on another hand had the radiator fan malfunction, triggered overheating alarm at a traffic light, 3 times cant switch off the engine (maybe the starter issues), numerous bulb burns for the halogen, and one-time cant switch off the main headlight after turn off the engine. These things make me wonder if Proton actually test it properly during the car design phase?
Preve is best matched with a turbo engine with manual transmission
Heavy car I like , FC no issue with me cause I like its Lotus handling with its cheap value nowadays, parts easy to source , only main issue is the OCH which some experts already overcome it with stainless mod
Anyone who wanted to sell his MT Preve can PM me , best is if come with a 4G1x engine endorsed too
Proton now fail delivery and basic spare part support for short LT.. They need to improve their aftermarket support, i believe due to good sales they put all the parts to new car assembly but neglected the on-going units..
BTW X50 in China really fail, the newer units already ditch the 3-cylinder 1.5T turbo changing back to 4-cylinder due to poor sales & feedback of China consumers..
Preve is best matched with a turbo engine with manual transmission
Heavy car I like , FC no issue with me cause I like its Lotus handling with its cheap value nowadays, parts easy to source , only main issue is the OCH which some experts already overcome it with stainless mod
Anyone who wanted to sell his MT Preve can PM me , best is if come with a 4G1x engine endorsed too
steel hose really can fix the problem ke? whats the different from using rubber hose like stock proton?
steel hose really can fix the problem ke? whats the different from using rubber hose like stock proton?
bcuz high pressure+hot oil flow thru the rubber hose, it will crack after some time (3yrs or 40k mileage, Proton estimation, I recall previously is 50k or 60k) steel hose wont have this issue
Proton now fail delivery and basic spare part support for short LT.. They need to improve their aftermarket support, i believe due to good sales they put all the parts to new car assembly but neglected the on-going units..
BTW X50 in China really fail, the newer units already ditch the 3-cylinder 1.5T turbo changing back to 4-cylinder due to poor sales & feedback of China consumers..
how does that indicate fail?
inbe4 use same engine forever means success.
inbe4 BMW , Merc, Perodua 3cylinder Turbo all very successful
All the Preve I have come across in Grab car has a very bad wear on the fabric seats. Alot of bulu from worn fabric and broken auto gear knob. Not all Proton has this issue. At least not on my Inspira. I hardly see any Suprima around. For the looks, Preve is okay. Suprima share the same front as Preve, but the rear is ugly as heck. Same problem like the Savvy in the past.
Waja got problem where the outside door handle are such thin plastic they snapped off. Personal experience. But the engine is smooth n no vibration, my waja was still the 4g18 Mitsubishi engine.
Preve is best matched with a turbo engine with manual transmission
Heavy car I like , FC no issue with me cause I like its Lotus handling with its cheap value nowadays, parts easy to source , only main issue is the OCH which some experts already overcome it with stainless mod
Anyone who wanted to sell his MT Preve can PM me , best is if come with a 4G1x engine endorsed too
I'm driving one, but no plan to sell it. 2015 model with 55k+ km now, bought it used in Dec 2020. With some minor engine mods it doesn't feels that under powered.
All the Preve I have come across in Grab car has a very bad wear on the fabric seats. Alot of bulu from worn fabric and broken auto gear knob. Not all Proton has this issue. At least not on my Inspira. I hardly see any Suprima around. For the looks, Preve is okay. Suprima share the same front as Preve, but the rear is ugly as heck. Same problem like the Savvy in the past.
the quality of the fabric is like really meh... same thing goes to saga blm/fl/even the current vvt
All the Preve I have come across in Grab car has a very bad wear on the fabric seats. Alot of bulu from worn fabric and broken auto gear knob. Not all Proton has this issue. At least not on my Inspira. I hardly see any Suprima around. For the looks, Preve is okay. Suprima share the same front as Preve, but the rear is ugly as heck. Same problem like the Savvy in the past.
Iinm many owners claimed a new seat under warranty for the fabric bulu. Again why on earth the vendor was selected considering this quality.
the quality of the fabric is like really meh... same thing goes to saga blm/fl/even the current vvt
Low quality vendor easily approved by proton, another is the headlights vendor, AL Lighting which i saw since waja mitsubishi time yet until preve. Not just the bulb dont last long vs says perodua, the light output also poor. In case of Waja, only this car I remember using a H1 Bulb size at main headlamp low beam.
Low quality vendor easily approved by proton, another is the headlights vendor, AL Lighting which i saw since waja mitsubishi time yet until preve. Not just the bulb dont last long vs says perodua, the light output also poor. In case of Waja, only this car I remember using a H1 Bulb size at main headlamp low beam.
Yeah I'd say it's relatively low. Something I have to check that I did really turn them on .
Yeah I'd say it's relatively low. Something I have to check that I did really turn them on .
Mine once was replaced not sure if the guy use wrong one but it burnt the plastic cover both sides, mine also 2015 with 77k mileage very steady only thing for those changing their suspension just get ori straight aftermarket parts very cheap but shit.
Before geely takeover proton saga 2016 has uneven color for the plastics inside. Door and dashboard different colors dont March. Don't know how this was approved.
Preve is best matched with a turbo engine with manual transmission
Heavy car I like , FC no issue with me cause I like its Lotus handling with its cheap value nowadays, parts easy to source , only main issue is the OCH which some experts already overcome it with stainless mod
Anyone who wanted to sell his MT Preve can PM me , best is if come with a 4G1x engine endorsed too
Yup, Preve is a tough car with excellent road handling especially corners. Have a news incident where a Preve was bump off an elevated highway, engine came off but all 4 occupants walk away with minor injuries. k/ was highlighting the engine drop off instead of Preve tough shell.
Many Msian have very wrong mentality of FC, want solid car but good FC?!?! FC > Life?!?! I traveled on the highway frequently and each time I see that small car gets into an accident I pray they dun suffer.
My issue are: 1. The driver door power window cluster moves up when driver window move up! 2. Back seat rattling (SC still unable to fix after so many yrs)
Many Msian have very wrong mentality of FC, want solid car but good FC?!?! FC > Life?!?! I traveled on the highway frequently and each time I see that small car gets into an accident I pray they dun suffer.
Dont drive like a maniac and 95% of those accidents are preventable. People like to laugh on milo tin cans jap cars but those jap car light designs are used worldwide, even in Japan, and they have highways too. Ofc if you drive like Myvi style racer then you better off using a heavier car.
- 207 000+ KM - Every 1 1/2 year change bulb - still original punch cvt, no problem yet - 1 time towing due to OCH pecah - 1 time change radiator fan - Full tank reach about 400KM 100% in KL - top speed still can reach 210 kmh
No major problem for a 10 year old car. I am happy with it
Preve failed because proton let it die. Only did a very minor update after 5-6 years.
I traveled on the highway frequently and each time I see that small car gets into an accident I pray they dun suffer.
QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Mar 8 2022, 07:54 AM)
Dont drive like a maniac and 95% of those accidents are preventable. People like to laugh on milo tin cans jap cars but those jap car light designs are used worldwide, even in Japan, and they have highways too. Ofc if you drive like Myvi style racer then you better off using a heavier car.
Majority small car driver love to push their car. I can see from behind, car dancing already, but yet still push for high speed around the bend, high speed on highway.
Proton now fail delivery and basic spare part support for short LT.. They need to improve their aftermarket support, i believe due to good sales they put all the parts to new car assembly but neglected the on-going units..
BTW X50 in China really fail, the newer units already ditch the 3-cylinder 1.5T turbo changing back to 4-cylinder due to poor sales & feedback of China consumers..
china has both variant la.. they already have 1.4T 4 cylinder their top range and 1.5T 3 cylinder for 2-3 variant lower.. literally no one buys the 3 cylinder variant hence cut it off.. if we are given 4 cylinder option i doubt anyone will take 3 cylinder as well.. but we don't have that option.
Preve is best matched with a turbo engine with manual transmission
Heavy car I like , FC no issue with me cause I like its Lotus handling with its cheap value nowadays, parts easy to source , only main issue is the OCH which some experts already overcome it with stainless mod
Anyone who wanted to sell his MT Preve can PM me , best is if come with a 4G1x engine endorsed too
any idea where can do it? i may want to get a suprima s just to try it for fun.. booked the x70 may need to prepare spare car hahahahaha.
Dont drive like a maniac and 95% of those accidents are preventable. People like to laugh on milo tin cans jap cars but those jap car light designs are used worldwide, even in Japan, and they have highways too. Ofc if you drive like Myvi style racer then you better off using a heavier car.
Have we NOT see enough of those small car driving safety on the left but got hit & flung off into the ditch?
In Japan the accident rate is the lowest in the world. Most drivers there adhere to traffic rules. Bus & truck drivers not like Malaysia. That's why Japan can have Kei cars.
Own a Preve turbo 2015 model with extended warranty. After 3 days collect the new car having gearbox issue where can't engage the gear. I need to off and restart to engage the gear. Went to service centre few times they unable to rectify the issue. Lastly went to COSE they rectify it after changing few parts. At month 3 power steering fluid leaking. At month 8 radio unit spoil, At month 18 air cord fuse box spoil. All these foc replace. Recently radiator fan and Alternator spoil proton rejected warranty although is under extended warranty. I rarely use the car as I normally taking public transport to work yet many problem. Normally use the car on weekend or during holiday.
still have the preve auto punch ctv 2013 labrat really great at emptying my wallet to buy petrol so much still use for holidays and long journey cause the sense of safety not a good city car especially if stucked in traffic jam so weekday use perodua since cheaper petrol weekend or holiday or bringing family to give comfort only then preve
Best if proton only becomes a Geely model importers on our market and we can get the latest technology on automotive at our market with competitive price. Be it without geely, we keep having MaCampro engine until 2050, Punch suck CVT which they no ball to remove from their line. And we dont ever get chance having a GDI engine with DCT
my saga had the same issue. the workshop rewired an external relay socket and put it outside the relay box. no more overheat issue since then.
Hahaha i tot im the only one. My foreman also pull out the socket put it outside lol. Last time the socket base melt so frequent 1-2 in a month. Cb proton
Hahaha i tot im the only one. My foreman also pull out the socket put it outside lol. Last time the socket base melt so frequent 1-2 in a month. Cb proton
I sent my car to SC they said whole box kena replace wadepak
Best if proton only becomes a Geely model importers on our market and we can get the latest technology on automotive at our market with competitive price. Be it without geely, we keep having MaCampro engine until 2050, Punch suck CVT which they no ball to remove from their line. And we dont ever get chance having a GDI engine with DCT
Before geely takeover proton saga 2016 has uneven color for the plastics inside. Door and dashboard different colors dont March. Don't know how this was approved.
and the paint quality is like... meh. damn thin I tell you.
comparing to perodua which have better paint quality. in this matter Perodua quality is way better than proton.
- 207 000+ KM - Every 1 1/2 year change bulb - still original punch cvt, no problem yet - 1 time towing due to OCH pecah - 1 time change radiator fan - Full tank reach about 400KM 100% in KL - top speed still can reach 210 kmh
No major problem for a 10 year old car. I am happy with it
Preve failed because proton let it die. Only did a very minor update after 5-6 years.
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