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diffyhelman2
post Mar 7 2022, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(masked @ Mar 7 2022, 08:17 AM)
2014 city launched from 76k, preve 73k..

now go mudah search 2014 city price, can buy 2x 2014 preve..
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50% depreciation after 8 years is very good. Euro n korean cars even higher depreciation.
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post Mar 7 2022, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(differ @ Mar 7 2022, 08:59 AM)
Proton became profitable again under Geely - so can safely say they are better at running the company.

in the mid-2000s, i used to do some work with Proton in their SA plants and offices. i can tell you the culture there was one of the worst (if not the worst) tidak-apa attitudes in corporate Malaysia.

up down left right everyone curi tulang like bapak punya kilang
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Hmmm. Coincidentally at the time waja tiara juara and some other crap models were introduced at that time that really started driving proton reputation down the drain. Before that at least iswara and wira still had Mitsubishi reliability. Maybe after mamak retired 1.0, everyone started to slack off without supervision?
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post Mar 7 2022, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 7 2022, 12:41 PM)
mahathir was still indirectly involved when he stepped down in 2002 as advisors/chairman till 2016

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post Mar 7 2022, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Mar 7 2022, 12:41 PM)
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Conti-like maintenance
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Rm120 for a simple fan relay? Shopee xde?
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post Mar 7 2022, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(kel32 @ Mar 7 2022, 12:47 PM)
proton doesn't have the economy of scale, parts much expensive compare to Toyota/Daihatsu, even Honda
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They should just spec everything to Toyota/denso components, that way can just use 3rd party oem
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post Mar 7 2022, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Mar 7 2022, 01:05 PM)
Reliability, economical to maintain. These 2 things are the most important factors in general for malaysians to own car.

And it is no coincidence that both vios and myvi strongest traits are these 2. And again, no coincidence that proton got neither.
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Iswara, wira: am i joke to you?
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post Mar 7 2022, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Mar 7 2022, 01:13 PM)
Both is not economical to maintain at all. The fuel consumption can kill u.
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luckily petrol is cheap here*

an ok ok la, how much fuel does 1.3L consume, even with lousy fc? its those 2.0L and turbo cars that really have high wallet busting FC for average malaysian.

*: compared to other parts of the world, even our neighbours



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post Mar 7 2022, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Mar 7 2022, 01:26 PM)
Proton sked not muc buyers for that.
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and they would be correct. car magazines and youtube channels love to focus on all the sporty models, but the bread and butter segment for car makers here are A and B segment econoboxes.
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post Mar 7 2022, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(ericangtzeann @ Mar 7 2022, 12:50 PM)
Coz the name proton 🤭
Serious note, it didn't expect preve to be that bad till my former company issued brand new preve to project staffs. Every few month can hear complains on gearbox spoil engine spoil 🤭 project over, now all become scrap
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In the 90s my Dad was issued first Saga, then Wira as company car, both automatics. Still remember them, they were always bomb proof (other than power windows, but not as bad as the Waja ). Dad liked the Wira so much he purchased the car from the company.
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post Mar 7 2022, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(differ @ Mar 7 2022, 01:35 PM)
downhill started much earlier than that, once they started moving away from Mitsubishi rebadges.

also because certain quarters in Proton management really started treating the company like their bank account to fund their hobbies and side projects.
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They really milked the 1983 Lancer Fiore platform 99 dry. imagine the last Iswara was made in 2008! so other than body panel stamping (when they changed from Saga to Iswara), no capex was invested for new tooling for over 20 years for their A/B segment! In that time, Mitsubishi lancer had gone thru 3 generations of platforms....
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post Mar 7 2022, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Mar 7 2022, 01:35 PM)
ya lor  laugh.gif
can try to find if there is any DIY kit instead of changing whole
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its actually pretty easy to DIY the power window motors once you can take off the door panels. just have to be very careful not to break plastic hooks and clips especially on old cars where they have hardened. Shopee sells those tools to help you release the clips easier.

https://shopee.com.my/12PCS-Car-Clip-Remove...01-cd8b11ceaae3

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Mar 7 2022, 01:34 PM)

Went to a seat cushion repair shop to let them fix. But still not 100% have to change the seat all together..
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mohon link for this, for future reference

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post Mar 7 2022, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(AbbyCom @ Mar 7 2022, 01:47 PM)
Serious question, anyone know the reason for the spare parts shortage?

If they can ship ckd parts from China for new cars, cannot allocate the parts for spares?
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outdated model that Geely no longer makes for their mainland market? so only small production runs for our market, somemore its RHD.

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post Mar 7 2022, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(AbbyCom @ Mar 7 2022, 01:57 PM)
I mean got parts for new builds but not spares? Pissing existing customers , that's not how you do business.
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Even new cars got waiting list. So their production run really ngam ngam JIT. They don’t want to make excess inventory. Yup, kiamsiap profit minded but what to do, tau tau la next time new car purchase keep this in mind. Easy to find spare parts car you know are which brands la.

Also OEM local suppliers supposed to make these parts but for whatever reason CMI to meet Geely standard.

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post Mar 7 2022, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Mar 7 2022, 04:04 PM)
used Preve CFE owns by office, together with old Waja CPS, both auto. TBH, waja gb even with old 4 gear drove much better than punch cvt, especially the start-stop situation and during full throttle, the CVT drowning sound kinda hard to accept. Both had FC poor to average vs another car with a similar range of HP/Torque.

Quality issue are same in both cars, Waja with power window things, some button on radio malfunction etc, good things are the HID Standard on cps, but still not bright enough, maybe H1 Bulbs size is not ok for the headlamp.

Preve on another hand had the radiator fan malfunction, triggered overheating alarm at a traffic light, 3 times cant switch off the engine (maybe the starter issues), numerous bulb burns for the halogen, and one-time cant switch off the main headlight after turn off the engine. These things make me wonder if Proton actually test it properly during the car design phase?
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Waja got problem where the outside door handle are such thin plastic they snapped off. Personal experience. But the engine is smooth n no vibration, my waja was still the 4g18 Mitsubishi engine.
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post Mar 7 2022, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Throwaway0 @ Mar 7 2022, 02:28 PM)
laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

thats not what those car reviewers said.
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Car reviewers r not long term owner. Ppl are complaining it’s hard to get spare parts n expensive to boot.
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post Mar 7 2022, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(sanosizo @ Mar 7 2022, 04:34 PM)
same issue with saga and persona. the radiator fan relay too hot until it melted its base.
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Fan motor issue. Maybe undersized motor n when cooling system old or dirty, the fan pull too much current thru the relay.
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post Mar 8 2022, 07:54 AM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Mar 8 2022, 07:45 AM)
Many Msian have very wrong mentality of FC, want solid car but good FC?!?! FC > Life?!?! doh.gif
I traveled on the highway frequently and each time I see that small car gets into an accident I pray they dun suffer.

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Dont drive like a maniac and 95% of those accidents are preventable. People like to laugh on milo tin cans jap cars but those jap car light designs are used worldwide, even in Japan, and they have highways too. Ofc if you drive like Myvi style racer then you better off using a heavier car.

 

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