3-cyl engines a flop in China, 2022 Binyue switching to 4-cyl



In a rather surprising u-turn, Geely will be dropping the turbocharged 1.5-litre 3-cylinder (JLH-3G15TD) in the Geely Binyue, opting for a 4-cylinder engine instead

This marks a departure from their earlier stand, as Geely was one of the few Chinese manufacturers that continued to stick to 3-cylinder engines while other brands dropped theirs.

The new engine is also a 1.5-litre unit, and it produces 3 PS more than the 3-pot engine, bringing the total output to 180 PS

The main reason why Geely decided to axe the 3-cylinder engine is because of poor response from Chinese buyers, as they typically avoid 3-cylinder cars.

Flop

4-cyl FTW

4 cylinder less stress less breakdown eh

Not even 2022 lah, they shifted towards 4 pots not long after before we launched our X50.

Year 2020 already got 1.4T 4pots model, but mostly to serve as lower end lah.
https://car.autohome.com.cn/config/spec/45053.html

This post has been edited by msacras: Feb 16 2022, 01:14 AM

Kek,when I say 3 cylinder engine sucks many automotive engineer cum cap supporter come out defending shit. Now slap own face Liao. 3 cylinder engine can’t even meet their own 6th standard hence switch back to 4 cylinder. It’s right saying that china export outdated tech that no one want to Malaysia and boating fans are hype about it. Lmao

Inkambing x50 discount to clear 3 cylinder stock

The first time I saw 3 cylinder engine design, the thought that came to my mind is :

What is this discounted tryhard engine ?

Lai lai. 80k for Flagship.

Inline 6 > all

from what i know, if 1 out of 4 cylinder break down(ie spark plug not working, or its cable or power), the car can still move, but lose like 50% power,


but 1 out of 3 cylinders break down, there is no chance it can still move

3 cylinder is rough and not balance. 4 cyl much smoother

The main reason 3 pots become the new meta is coz manufacture have to comply with lower emission to pass that strict euro regulation.

isnt that go EV directly solve the problem ?

Million dollar argument…

Dude~~

Hybrid car oso msian paranoid edi takut maintenance and the battery replacment will cost a bomb and resale value sucks etc2….

What more full ev car?

Can la. That day my car cylinder #2 was misfiring so it ran on only 2 cylinders..

sooner or later we need to go ev, carbon is the world's problem, the planet can live without us, we cannot live without the planet.

Always buy first regret later.
So many CCP supporters spewing lies and people want to believe.
Good thing car is cheap, reputation is expensive.

One time no good, forever curse CCP product no good, will never gain respect anymore no matter how hard they try, just like Huawei

misfire and not fire at all maybe different ? i think misfire mean wrong timing, not the most efficient way to burn fuel, but not fire at all will break the crank's rotation cycle.

3 cyl, 4 cyl... what are those? what difference do they make?

If small cars ok, like perodua viva.

4 cylinder 2 up 2 down 1 rotation:

3 cyclinder up down differently in 1 rotation:


4 cyclinder advantage:
Balanced, less vibration problem in a cycle

3 cyclinder:
No advantage other than cheap, will run out of alignment after continuous cycle.

what happens after run out of alignment?

need to overhaul or easy fix?

or straight change engine?

Engine will vibrate.
Well, need to adjust balancing shaft or other stuff; when it comes to China cars that don't have parts you have to wait, think about it.

Geely je change new engine
Proton wont be getting this, they just set up factory producing these phase out 3 cylinder engine

what a hateful title.

TS having a difficult life is it?

the car with this engine has 6 months waiting period, what kind of flop is that?

4 is die

Ambik BMW 7 cyl

Huh? Really?

Bukan 6 months waiting period for parts?

BMW also 3 pot right?

both.

but how many cars broken down, vs how many new buyers queuing?

BMW not CCP, just ex-fascist supporter.


oh different topic

Like Chinese property, everyday say sold out, want to buy say got unit.
6 months waiting period my ass.

why care so much about 3 cylinders and 4 cylinders. For me the value and the design/utilities i care the most.

Btw, im driving x50 and loving it.

yala, we also takut automatic gear and said manual is much better.

we are just a powerless third world country, the big companies will push us to change to EV sooner or later doesn't matter we like it or not.

When your car begin to vibrate like my vibrator, see you care or not.

They were already charging premium price for cheap car in PRC.

that is why many left whenever they have an ounce of chance

The best 3 cylinder engine

how long u plan to use the car ? 10 years ?

If car is good. Why not? Just like my 130y sunny.
30 over years and still going strong. No vibration.

good for u

people choices, why u concern ?

Just worry for you bro.
Vibrate too much is not good

Just caring. No need to be defensive and uptight.

i don't like 3 pots too
they don't last long at all before started having problems

trying come back here and comment after 5 years
see if there is any problems or weird noises
i can guarantee u that u will say u have

mine is japanese car somemore and i also have...they don't last long at all
meanwhile my proton saga 14 years old soon, no such noises

TLDR : 4 cylinder > 3 pot anytime

not the car is good, but the car is light, when you put more weight to the car, then the engine shaft, block, cylinder etc will have to push harder, more stress.

old car will have lesser component, ie maybe no aircon, no power steering, no auto braking, no auto gear, no airbag, no extra steel reinforcement, no power window, no remote control, no fog light, no fuel filter, seat belt auto retractor, no this and that. if you able to cut the weight of the car by half, the engine component will have lesser stress.

physic > all

old car like 130y only electronic is the Radio Cassette Player, simpler days

3api puik

X50 3c owners gonna flip tables?

Another worry about the x50 and x70 is the DCT

How well will it stand after 5 years or 10 years of Malaysia famous traffic jam

Cinis view 3 cyclinder is peasant motor, like how their grandparents had to use Kubota tractor and trailer, motorbike , until car became commonplace and 4 cyclinder, unless you had to buy some Communist Russian bullshit with 2 cyclinder 2 smoke engine

Sunny 130Y not 3 cylinder engine la.

3 cyl engine still going strong is the old Daihatsu Charade.

Reliability issue blame customer dont like the engine?

Actually pawning these local-uni-/k-lauyass-auto engineers is easy, ask them if the materials' strength to assemble 3 cylinder engines are the same to 4 cylinders. K lauya automative engineers always fail in their safety factor consideration and material stress load during optimization design, hence why their 3 cylinder arguments that they fapped on a daily are all utter BS. Fine examples are Viva and Axia driven by fatasses on extra full load - soon Ativa will have the same problem I believe.

Yes I know that.


Why?

Yes it is.
But have your ever driven a 3 piston car.... Not taking about brand new car, but cars which are "seasoned".

One of my previous 3 cylinder car was still going strong. P2 Kerani.
No tow truck experience during the 10 years of ownership. No breakdown at all.
But the engine vibration is horrible. Until I can even get aroused and wet by just driving this car without the need to use a vibrator.

engine will knock kaw u like earthquake

cos you compare with Sunny with a 3cyl eng car!

Im just saying my 130y engine is still smooth. Unlike 3 potters.

My old car is Daihatsu Charade!

Nice car
Daihatsu cars are bomb proof

X50 owners kena kantoi la tu?

inb4 Geely just want Proton to help push out all the 3cyl?

X50 sheep kena slap 99

Inb4, bmw also 3 cyl y u no kecoh

Because BMW German quality brader...

Pray hard n hope that the engine mounting doesn’t fail even a little bit.

It will spread like cancer n then your drive shaft, steering rack, arm, ini itu, will start to fail too.

But but

Volvo is in our blood too!

German blood > Swedish blood

Haha.

Even the myvi king also 1.5L 4cylinder.

Edit: remembered about the Proton spare parts problem. Double trouble when the engine starts making problem.

This post has been edited by lenyek_penyek: Feb 16 2022, 09:20 AM

All Hail Hitler!

actually there are 3 things that owners should be worried about in the X50/X70
which is the reason why i won't recommend anyone to buy

the 3 pot engine, the turbochargers and the DCT

the same goes to perodua and other manufacturer as well(not just proton)

3cyl + 1 branding = 4, owai kek

anyhow ayam aint gonna go for 3cyl regardless of brand

BMW 3cyclinder has balancing shaft.
Now thats a different story

I tot the X50 engine have this balancing mechanism too?

If I’m not mistaken, it is something like a block stuck inside the sheave so everytime when reach the problematic degree of rotation, the indifferent of weight will nullify the problem.

But you guys 1990's 3 cylinder from kancil and 2020 3 cylinder in Ativa are years apart i engineering and advancement. Even small companies like Koenigsegg are using it. The super famous GR Yaris is also a 3 cylinder. Motive engineering in Aussie is already pushing 700HP from that.

good luck to current X50 owners

Ok i must apologize.
I tot the x50 dont have,
But ended up it does have a balance shaft.

posting in /k mechanic engineering tered

2 cylinder > all
at least for city driving....

Turbo charging has been around quite long and should be reliable right

Still can see Evo 3 and many older WRX

saying this cos I kinda like the new Civic FE

i guess majority 3 cyl will have the balancing stuff..

but but but, why they back to 4cyl

reliable or not is 1 thing
but almost no owner service the turbo

yes, turbo need servicing too and manufacturer do not provide such service
which leads to turbo failure

think of the turbo as another engine, another wear and tear, another part of the car that requires your maintenance and your care
which means another money burning parts

This post has been edited by MR_alien: Feb 16 2022, 10:41 AM

reliable or not they will still wear and tear over time.
our hot climate and traffic congestion will increase this factor.

turbo cars will incur extra maintenance and its not cheap if you need to replace the snail.

but the feeling when a high boost turbo kicks in is hhggggggnnnn.

3 cylinder sucks lah.

No avoiding idling vibration.

year 2022, still need to play with 3 cylinder for what? 4 cyclinder solves all problem. No problem, go invent problem. Just farking stick with 4 cylinder, this applies to everyone else.

problem is no matter how much stuff or balancing shaft u add to ease the vibration
3 pot is still 3 pot, it's not balance
the balancing shaft only prevents the vibration from reaching the cabin/driver only
sooner or later, weird noises are going to come out

look at out viva, kenari, kelisa...the belting noise is infamous

noise that a normal 4 cylinder engine will never have

You mean honda does not provide servicing of the actual Turbo unit??

got 3 pots lesser weight, better fuel consumption than 4cyl

kancil, kancil!

dun leave out kancil the most famous of all for noise and whatnot!

Exactly. Is 3 cylinder really save so much cost that they have to waste so much effort on balancing this shit?

sounds coming from 4 pots > better fuel consumption from 3 cyl bikes...

true story... hngghhhhh....

This post has been edited by arcadicus: Feb 16 2022, 10:46 AM

Why slap own face? Article say market is the one rejecting it.
Chinese market maybe cannot accept it, but at one point major market don't want to accept turbo anyway.

but if engine breakdown like that then it's design/manufacturing issues. My kelisa 3 cylinder engine never had problems like that for 19 years now.

3 cylinder 1.5 liter actually makes sense because 500cc undersquare combustion chambers are the most efficient in fuel consumption. Pity the market didn't like

what belt noise? never had that

probably lazy owners didn't even change worn belts

Bmw has dumped the b38 on the 318i that was used on the f30 3 series

Now the g20 3 series 318i also use the b48 engine as 320i except detuned for less power

They use the b38 for the smaller 1 series only

This post has been edited by Boy96: Feb 16 2022, 10:49 AM

Well i agree. I still think 3 cyc is a no go.
When u add in the balance shaft, it already defeats the purpose of having a light engine

German 3 cylinder: German quality is good
Japan 3 cylinder: Japan quality is reliable
China 3 cylinder: No quality coz it's CCP

Same same but different......

everyone 3cyl 4cyl here n there .. few more years all EV.