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Hoshiyuu
post Apr 4 2022, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Apr 4 2022, 08:45 PM)
You missed some important points. They look the same. The largest holdings look similar.

But they follow different indices. VWRA follows FTSE All World Index, VT follows FTSE Global All-Cap Index.

Global All Cap has twice the no. of constituents compared to All World.

Global All cap includes small cap (All world excludes small caps), hence the larger no. of constituents.

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On top of that, VWRA follows Irish tax laws and Ireland's law, VT follows US law. They are different. Ireland is a tax haven. There is an added layer of country and regulatory risk not seen in VWRA superficially (the lower WHT comes with a hidden price).

Just something to note.

In the end, passive investing still depends on which indices you follow. Too many variants of indices on the streets and you will turn passive into active since people will start to compare indices (this index outperform that one... etc.)
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Yeap, hence the eternal SP500 vs VT vs VXUS+VTI vs SWRD/IWDA+EIMI/WSML vs VWRA portfolio discussions and disagreements.

At this level of diversification and generally low costs, the choices among these start to become a way smaller concern, and the biggest impact is going to be the ability to ignore everything, deposit regularly, diligently until retirement.

Thanks for the value added replies!

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post Apr 4 2022, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Apr 4 2022, 06:00 PM)
Welcome to the VWRA and chill club  thumbup.gif

If can get 3 person confirmed maybe can start a list of people who hold 80% VWRA or above  tongue.gif  or some other arbitrary percentage that can qualify as VWRA and chill
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Well you can add me to the club soon. 😜
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post Apr 4 2022, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Apr 4 2022, 09:12 PM)
Well you can add me to the club soon. 😜
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Cant wait tongue.gif But your VWRA holding is gonna be sub 50% for a quite a while first biggrin.gif

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post Apr 4 2022, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Apr 4 2022, 09:10 PM)
Yeap, hence the eternal SP500 vs VT vs VXUS+VTI vs SWRD/IWDA+EIMI/WSML vs VWRA portfolio discussions and disagreements.

At this level of diversification and generally low costs, the choices among these start to become a way smaller concern, and the biggest impact is going to be the ability to ignore everything, deposit regularly, diligently until retirement.

Thanks for the value added replies!
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I wished investing is as simple as that. tongue.gif

Anyway, good luck for our fellow Bogleheads. I support Bogle's movement actually. Time to take back Wall Street's money and reinvest them. thumbsup.gif
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post Apr 4 2022, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Apr 4 2022, 09:42 PM)
I wished investing is as simple as that. tongue.gif

Anyway, good luck for our fellow Bogleheads. I support Bogle's movement actually. Time to take back Wall Street's money and reinvest them. :thumbsup:
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All these ETFs are also run by Wall Street..

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post Apr 4 2022, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Apr 4 2022, 09:45 PM)
All these ETFs are also run by Wall Street..
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At least you pay less in terms of management fees compared to active funds. A lot less. Low single digit percent versus 0.1-0.5% is about one order of magnitude (compounded for long, you save a lot).

And you avoid the painstaking need to buy hundred or thousands of shares yourself. The managers' hands are tied to their backs. They must follow the index (a bit of nuance: this is only true for "fully replicated" ETFs, not for "index sampled" ETFs).

(My "Wall Street" figuratively represents the active fund managers, not "Wall Street" as a whole. biggrin.gif)

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post Apr 4 2022, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Apr 4 2022, 09:55 PM)
At least you pay less in terms of management fees compared to active funds. A lot less. Low single digit percent versus 0.1-0.5% is about one order of magnitude (compounded for long, you save a lot).

And you avoid the painstaking need to buy hundred or thousands of shares yourself. The managers' hands are tied to their backs. They must follow the index (a bit of nuance: this is only true for "fully replicated" ETFs, not for "index sampled" ETFs).

(My "Wall Street" figuratively represents the active fund managers, not "Wall Street" as a whole. biggrin.gif)
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And it would even be better if Msian can use EPF and Sporean can use CPF for the regular invest due to super low cost. Anyone know why cannot becuz there is still risk?
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post Apr 4 2022, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Apr 4 2022, 09:22 PM)
Cant wait  tongue.gif But your VWRA holding is gonna be sub 50% for a quite a while first  biggrin.gif
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We can circumnavigate it by only taking my international ETFs into account and voilà 100% 😜🤣
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post Apr 4 2022, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Apr 4 2022, 05:29 PM)
Yeah I know.

All Ze best bruh. 👀😬
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300+ cheap le for a US stock.. Nvidia is around that range also.

Compare with Tesla, Alphabet (google), and Amazon they are much more expensive.

Still I have faith in Alphabet. Bought one recently. Looking forward to its stock split in July to see what happens. After stock split usually their prices will go up.. as some ppl will buy them to play options or more affordable for them at 100+.

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 4 2022, 11:14 PM)
300+ cheap le for a US stock.. Nvidia is around that range also.

Compare with Tesla, Alphabet (google), and Amazon they are much more expensive.

Still I have faith in Alphabet. Bought one recently. Looking forward to its stock split in July to see what happens. After stock split usually their prices will go up.. as some ppl will buy them to play options or more affordable for them at 100+.
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post Apr 4 2022, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Apr 4 2022, 10:35 PM)
And it would even be better if Msian can use EPF and Sporean can use CPF for the regular invest due to super low cost. Anyone know why cannot becuz there is still risk?
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You can invest via CPF in those instruments listed on SGX only. https://www.cpf.gov.sg/member/growing-your-...-scheme-options

Similarly, those in Malaysia can also stick to Malaysian mutual funds only (more restrictive than SG since you can't even touch stocks, bonds etc.) https://www.kwsp.gov.my/member/investment

I am not aware of "regular investment plans" but you can just invest regularly (manual regular investment plans) though it is a bit of hassle.

It would actually be nice to allow Malaysian and Singaporeans to use their respective retirement funds on low-cost, well-diversified ETFs or index funds for long term holdings for retirement purposes. The main reason this is currently not allowed would be regulation issues, since MAS in SG or SC in Malaysia would not be responsible for funds invested via say NYSE Arca or even "riskier" UCITS.

Another possibility is to "prop up" the domestic currency and reduce funds outflow. This would be more of an issue in Malaysia than SG.

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post Apr 5 2022, 02:22 AM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Apr 4 2022, 10:35 PM)
And it would even be better if Msian can use EPF and Sporean can use CPF for the regular invest due to super low cost. Anyone know why cannot becuz there is still risk?
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EPF main mandate that any withdrawal for investment its has to be locally invest not abroad otherwise it cannot fund more MGS purchase doh.gif

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post Apr 5 2022, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Apr 5 2022, 02:22 AM)
EPF main mandate that any withdrawal for investment its has to be locally invest not abroad otherwise it cannot fund more MGS purchase doh.gif
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yea, Global Titan Fund by Principal no longer accepts EPF investment.. starting 1st April 2022. If I know earlier last month should have added more. Didn't read the fine print. sad.gif
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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 5 2022, 02:13 PM)
yea, Global Titan Fund by Principal no longer accepts EPF investment.. starting 1st April 2022. If I know earlier last month should have added more. Didn't read the fine print.  sad.gif
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Already hinted earlier when EPF announced their direction early Mac doh.gif

In fact I bought at the bottom 52 week low now sitting on 12% gain rclxms.gif
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post Apr 6 2022, 09:10 PM

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hi any IBKR user can answr me?

i bought 1 share of VWRA, but the commission there stated 4.00

my order match 112.50, but cost is 116.00

anyone can enlighten me?

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 6 2022, 09:10 PM)
hi any IBKR user can answr me?

i bought 1 share of VWRA, but the commission there stated 4.00

my order match 112.50, but cost is 116.00

anyone can enlighten me?
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Screenshots would help.

Perhaps there is an exchange rebate. https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index...=1590&p=stocks2

I am not sure which exchange is your order routed.

Also, you seem to be using fixed pricing, consider switching to tiered for LSE. Your transaction cost will be cut be at least 50% for such small scale purchase.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 6 2022, 09:10 PM)
hi any IBKR user can answr me?

i bought 1 share of VWRA, but the commission there stated 4.00

my order match 112.50, but cost is 116.00

anyone can enlighten me?
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Are you on Fixed Pricing? You need to swap over to Tiered Pricing to access USD 1.70 commission for Ireland/UK stocks & ETF traded in USD.

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post Apr 6 2022, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 6 2022, 09:10 PM)
hi any IBKR user can answr me?

i bought 1 share of VWRA, but the commission there stated 4.00

my order match 112.50, but cost is 116.00

anyone can enlighten me?
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You are on the default fixed pricing. It is a trap by IBKR for new joiners. It was the first thing I checked coz I suspected as a business they will set this trap.

Indeed I was right.. immediately I changed it to Tiered Pricing right before my first trade.

Always check this before trade with any brokers. If they have settings for this make sure you are on the correct configuration.

Fixed pricing is only good for whales. We are normal retailers so tiered will benefit us more.

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 6 2022, 10:30 PM)
You are on the default fixed pricing. It is a trap by IBKR for new joiners. It was the first thing I checked coz I suspected as a business they will set this trap.

Indeed I was right.. immediately I changed it to Tiered Pricing right before my first trade.

Always check this before trade with any brokers. If they have settings for this make sure you are on the correct configuration.

Fixed pricing is only good for whales. We are normal retailers so tiered will benefit us more.
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How to change that yea? Cannot be change already?
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 6 2022, 10:33 PM)
How to change that yea? Cannot be change already?
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Can be changed anytime at account settings, try going to setting > bottom left, its just a click.

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