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post Feb 14 2022, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Feb 14 2022, 02:39 PM)
If u r the type who is not limited to US market, I can suggest Abfmy Singapore bond ETF listed on SGX for a safe heaven play.

It invests in SG government bonds, which is AAA rated country (higher than US). You get interests which is a bit higher than SG FD and, depending on market, can even be higher than US Treasuries. And, more importantly, there is no witholding tax.

As of yesterday, SGS 10 year yield 1.93% and US 10 year Treasuries yield 1.95%. Pretty close.
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And to diversify further Chinese Govt bonds ICBC CSOP CGB ETF S$ (CYC) in SGX also. I know Chinese equities is hit real hard since last year 2021 but this is slightly different this is bonds issued by Chinese Govt. I know some readers in here quite anti-China and won't invest that is ok. I only know monies talk loudest. If one believe Chinese govt can default on bonds and lower rating than Spore govt can don't invest also. I am just sharing info.

While ABF SG BOND ETF (A35) is safe the latest traded price is close to like 5 years ago in 2017. For such ETF/stock I generally won't buy becuz it don't move. Imagine you bought in 2017 and DCA 5 years later the share price at 2022 is back to 2017 ? Some could argue add more just to get the half yearly dividends of cuz but I think otherwise. To me long term is the investment must overall be on the rising trend not go back down.

https://www.sgx.com/securities/products/A35
https://www.sgx.com/securities/products/CYC

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post Feb 14 2022, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Feb 14 2022, 03:06 PM)
Out of curiosity, thoughts on ABF Malaysia Bond Index Fund?

Also, which platform do you use to buy SGX stuff? Most platform I know do charge a rather hefty fee for SGX access.
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For SGX, HKEX I think you can try Tiger, Moomoo as I don't think IBKR is offering so good rates for non-US exchange traded ETF.
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post Feb 14 2022, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Feb 14 2022, 03:23 PM)
Bonds  (in particular govt bonds) are supposed to be that way in the long term.

It moves up only when economy goes bad. When economy improves it goes down, and then will remain roughly stable..until economy goes bad again.

This inverse relationship with equities, is the important thing when it comes to diversification. During that month in March 2020, global equities markets dropped 30%. This one was up 2% in that month. In 2008 GFC, global equities market dropped 50%.This one was up 7%.

N while u wait for these recessions, u earn the dividends, which is above FD rate.
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Thanks for sharing. Also the reason why I am not a big fan of bond. As you pointed out, equities drop 30%, bond up only 2% ? equities drop 50% bond up only 7% ? And that is your monies will be tied up for quite a lot of years which can be used to invest to get higher returns like equities etc in good times.

In another SG forum, I have asked can the definition of "bond" be stretched further like bank FD, insurance endowment plans, CPF (Msia EPF) etc with guaranteed capital protected investment? If yes then the so called "bond allocation" need not be strictly confined to bond or bond ETF or bond mutual fund.
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post Apr 3 2022, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Apr 3 2022, 03:46 AM)
For us ETF is to protect your capital while stocks you stake your skills to win big time  rclxms.gif
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It can be lose big time too so it is always two sides. I see so many investors in other forum complain about their losses on China stocks listed in US stock exchanges. The interest in accessing China A shares and HKEX gaining traction there.

Bogleheads? Has quite strict definition and a lot of investment would be out including mutual fund. Even sector theme ETF are out as they are pursuing low cost index tracking funds and only a few will do. I cannot. How can I eat economy rice with same 3 dishes every day for years? I like noodles actually, rice is just to fill stomach.
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post Apr 3 2022, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Apr 3 2022, 05:40 PM)
Both are historically false, but who can say for the future? Until the field of mathematical finance prove otherwise, I feel safer not gambling away my hard earned money.
Some oldbirds told me many years ago when I started investment "only invest with monies you can afford to lose" else just stick to bank FD and other lower return but capital guaranteed investment instruments. There is hardly any high returns capital guaranteed instruments and via legal means of cuz.

Many years later that sentence still hold true based on my experience.
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post Apr 4 2022, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Apr 4 2022, 09:55 PM)
At least you pay less in terms of management fees compared to active funds. A lot less. Low single digit percent versus 0.1-0.5% is about one order of magnitude (compounded for long, you save a lot).

And you avoid the painstaking need to buy hundred or thousands of shares yourself. The managers' hands are tied to their backs. They must follow the index (a bit of nuance: this is only true for "fully replicated" ETFs, not for "index sampled" ETFs).

(My "Wall Street" figuratively represents the active fund managers, not "Wall Street" as a whole. biggrin.gif)
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And it would even be better if Msian can use EPF and Sporean can use CPF for the regular invest due to super low cost. Anyone know why cannot becuz there is still risk?
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post Apr 8 2022, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Apr 8 2022, 11:18 AM)
3. Fund is too big and too slow to react (not agile enough). And there is a lot of policy or protocols they are tied to. For example, a 98% equity fund need to always invest to keep to that 98% even if there is no good candidate or the market is going to crash. An index fund need to stick to its weightage for the stock as well so some low tier stock is included which I find it hard to be acceptable. When certain bad stock sell down, the fund need to rebalance to make up to the target % by putting more into the bad stock. Kinda dump to me. And when there is a crash or event, big fund takes too long to clear due to their size so most of the time the fund holder is left holding the bag. Of course if you select active fund the fees is high and there is no certainty the higher the fee the higher the return thingy.
Just want to understand if a fund just track index and ask for high expense ratio it will not find any takers. Usually it is index tracking ETF with low expense ratio that fit the bill. Fund managers are motivated to beat the index so if it just buy what is in the index how to attract investors?

Index tracking ETF suffer the problem you mention above and seldom it is a mutual fund as fund managers are motivated to beat the index they will adopt more strategy including buying stocks NOT in the index etc which translates to higher expense ratio

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post Apr 8 2022, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 8 2022, 06:41 PM)
When I see prices like this diving.. I don’t dare to invest in China.

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This is China’s largest tech ETF.
Thanks to Xi Jinping administration. Communist party also hard to predict their next move. Also rumours of China planning to invade Taiwan in the near future. In their eyes Taiwan must rejoin China one day sooner or later. Military have been building up in China heavily to prepare for this day.
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Avoid China tech for a while. All latest China fund factsheet I have shown fund managers all have shifted to Industrials, Consumer Cyclicals as top sector and tech is relegated to maybe 4th or 5th position. This mean fund manager are also actively avoiding the China tech sector. In times of crisis we witness fund managers doing the hard work.

For index tracking ETF too bad hard for them to avoid if all stocks in the index all perform badly UNLESS can remove those non-performing stocks from the index so the ETF no need to buy those stocks ?
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post Apr 8 2022, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Apr 8 2022, 08:28 PM)
I have the contrarian view. If you are really lucky, you get in at the right time and your fund manager gets everything right. But I think this chance is low for most ordinary ppl like me. So far I have not heard anyone gets rich because he bought a mutual fund. It can be part of your portfolio with a moderate return if you carefully selected it but I think it is unlikely your best investment. Even mutual fund is tied to policies to hit certain turnover etc. just like our EPF. If at one time market panic, many holders redeem for cash, the fund has to sell down the equity to fund the redemption even the fund manager thinks it is the worst time to let go the stock.
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I am not here to argue whether ETF can make one richer than mutual fund. I am replying to your earlier post how you describe fund is forced to buy what is in the index. That description fit an index tracking ETF than mutual fund.

Now you add new topic about mutual fund flaws for which there are for ETF too. Already point out the flaw of index tracking ETF if all stocks perform bad ETF price drop unless non-performing stock is dropped from index else the index tracking ETF has to buy it to fulfill its mandate as a low cost index tracking ETF.
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post Apr 9 2022, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 9 2022, 09:40 AM)
No available china industrial ETF to buy.. No idea which stock to start with also. All of China ETF contain tech inside.
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Sometimes it is wise to diversify investment instruments. ETF mutual fund individual stock etc. For China ETF I think HKEX quite a lot but if you use IBKR the fees not that cheap. IBKR mainly for US trading. Tiger moomoo also not cheap basically HKEX China A shares yet to find cheap 35 cents fee.

I am eyeing HKEX Global X Electric Vehicle ETF although in SGX NikkoAM also launch one equivalent to compete. EV not tech correct?
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post Apr 9 2022, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Apr 9 2022, 03:29 PM)
Just an open question, for those opting to buying stocks/ETF via foreign trading platform, what's your plan for estate planning just in case we KO unexpectedly/prematurely? Does your family members/spouse have the capability to manage your portfolio/repatriate your money back to Malaysia by themselves?

This is the only factor that prevent me from investing big amount in foreign trading platform and opt for local robo/local based US trading platform
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You ask a valid question but based on what I guess from the active readers in here they are not that old like those 50-60 for which I am joining soon. They are at best late 30s? Hope to read a reader in age 50-60 comment as your question will apply higher probability for them?

As for me let me reply I share the same view as you which is why I have yet to DIY via foreign brokers prefer a local. To access overseas just use local broker like FSM Spore,Endowus for ETF,stocks etc.
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post Apr 11 2022, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Apr 11 2022, 04:14 PM)
WAIT till you get married then you will change your mindset of this  doh.gif

I wonder how on earth you gonna setup your EPF nominee with such mindset
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Now is year 2022 new era ppl are not so fixated on marriage they pursue solo freedom and happiness which mean can really be single all the way till death. It is a choice now compared to olden times. I will respect their choice. As to how they explain to their parents I guess they need find a way somehow.
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post Apr 22 2022, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Apr 22 2022, 11:49 AM)
Hope to give a clearer picture here.

According to IRS, no matter where the stock holding is, as long as it is a US incorporated stock it is subject to estate tax.
Interpret from this line, it seems non US incorporated stock in a US stock broker is not consider US situated asset and should not subject to US estate tax. Vice versa, US incorporated stock in a foreign broker is subject to US estate tax.
Thanks for sharing I think such rules do apply to Spore who invested in US incorporated stock as it has also been discussed in Spore forums I have read but no one is certain for sure. All ask to check with your own tax advisor but come on who really can afford as a smalltime retail investor?

Key point to note is to diversify your investment. Don't all in to US incorporated stock in US,Europe etc exchanges. Have some non-US incorporated UT,ETF,stock in one overall total portfolio. Diversification this word crop up again and again in investment.
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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 22 2022, 06:36 PM)
If Ukraine war stops also will see some improvement in the stock market (Best if Putin gets killed or sacked so that sanctions are over). Market hates uncertainty.
The other way also possible Ukraine lost the war and be conquered and war stops. To us as long as war stops don't care which party win so world market can get back to normalcy.

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post May 1 2022, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ May 1 2022, 10:23 AM)
I'm having a serious case of FOMO here with most index funds going on a discount of late. I just finished my home renovation and so need cash for paying the contractors. But also hurting from seeing everything being on discount... Fellow Bogleheads, anyone been in this situation before? What did you do to stop yourself from doing something stupid like liquidating certain "safer" emergency funds like backup FD to put into index funds at this time?
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Previously anything China don't touch now it is soon anything US don't touch. Wait it will go down further. Emergency fund don't touch please

Now I am touching countries outside US China small capital to try diversify away from China,US for new investment. Existing already invested stay put.
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post May 2 2022, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ May 2 2022, 05:13 PM)
The index fund concept was a novel one in the 70s, and many fund managers laughed at Bogle for his maiden First Index Fund. It was under subscribed, labelled as being unAmerican, a fund that is content with market return rather than seeking outperformance.
The index fund concept is nice in theory but I notice its flaw. If majority of the stocks in the index perform poorly the index fund will reflect that accordingly too e.g kweb ETF saga. So this bring me to think there should be some active management to decide which stocks are to be included in the index. It cannot be say change once every few months? The word active will scare ppl as index supposed to be passive investing
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QUOTE(encikbuta @ Jun 2 2022, 11:18 AM)
So we're talking about my "70% VT, 10% Principal Greater China, 10% Manulife REIT & 10% United ASEAN Discovery" portfolio, yea? I'm 36 yrs old so I'm targeting until all the way to my retirement!

But it's not set in stone la. Just 2 months ago, I was also invested in United Global Quality, StashAway and TA Global Tech. Then I made a snap decision to just consolidate all these 3x funds into one VT ETF smile.gif

Anything could happen until retirement but my core philosophy would remain, just stay globally diversified - away from Malaysia!
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Just notice your own personal finance blog. I am curious those listed are all your investment instruments? You have zero dollars in say bank FD, govt bonds, endowment insurance etc? Those are considered safe and capital guaranteed investment.
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post Jun 2 2022, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 2 2022, 01:03 PM)
I have zero dollars in FD.
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Thanks for sharing so your investment instruments have nothing that is capital guaranteed correct? What about Msia EPF? That is also a form of "investment" by the govt on behalf of citizen just like Spore govt. Govt worry citizen dunno how to invest go and lose monies then old already no work stomach hungry ask govt feed them. But your govt quite lenient at age 50,55 can take all out unlike mine which come out with some Minimum Sum concept to buy annuity plan so every month got allowance from that in your retirement years and that is mandatory btw.
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post Jun 2 2022, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(encikbuta @ Jun 2 2022, 01:18 PM)
Yep that's all my investments. My emergency fund (RM43k) is in RHB Cash Management Fund if that's what you're asking? It can be withdrawn pretty quickly. And that RM7k cash in my bank account helps too.

Or if you're asking where is my 'fixed income' portion of my investment, I don't have any, lol! I decided to just go 100% equity.
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I am actually asking for your overall investment portfolio but seem you have it covered with emergency and cash in bank balance. This is I think the fixed income portion. Now I understand your blog those are the 100% equities portion. Thanks for sharing.
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post Jun 3 2022, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 3 2022, 03:37 PM)
This is how I sort my portfolio:

I have a big category called Financial Assets. Under that there is:

1. Everyday banking: this is the savings account where celery comes in and go out.

2. Emergency Fund. I prefer to dump mine into a Mortgage Flexi Account.

3. EPF: this is the mandatory and can't be adjusted, but I'm in the category of eligible to withdraw. If a really bad bear market comes, I will withdraw and put in 4 (below). But otherwise, I don't touch this.

4. Investment portfolio: This is where the rest is. Stocks, ETF, Bonds, MMF, Funds, Asx, PRS, cash balance in the brokerage account.

It is No 4 that I actively manage and adjust allocation. Meaning if I say I'm 100% equities, it would mean all of 4 is in equities (practically impossible).

Oh..and I also don't have FD and any investment linked insurance.
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That is quite good very similar to mine except I have Point 5 FD and endowment insurance. Next would be what is your percentage allocation for each point 1 to 4? Point 4 will be higher percentage since you do not have Point 5 of FD, insurance correct?

To be frank my Point 5 is way higher than my Point 4 haha. That is why for Point 4 in all my posts for any new investment instrument I keep asking what is the minimum capital to enter as I allocate little. I only slowly increase once I get profitable based on my minimum capital and comfortable with the investment instrument. My strategy is like soccer. I have defenders, defensive midfielders as backbone and assign 1-2 out and out strikers to score goals. Boring I know but I don't hope for big wins. Sneak in a goal or draw is enough.

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