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melondance
post Apr 4 2022, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Apr 4 2022, 10:34 AM)
Haha, that's why I keep as little MYR on hand as possible and start looking to earn in non-MYR currencies. MYR is just a depressing currency.
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Referring to your post above, it's crazy how Stashaway and other Roboadvisors fee of 0.7% can severely eat into the dividend yield of their corresponding ETFs... Even just investing in non Ireland domiciled ETF is wayyy better. Hopefully there will be local platform that provides Ireland domiciled ETF in the future..

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post Apr 4 2022, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Apr 4 2022, 10:57 AM)
Referring to your post above, it's crazy how Stashaway and other Roboadvisors fee of 0.7% can severely eat into the dividend yield of their corresponding ETFs... Even just investing in non Ireland domiciled ETF is wayyy better. Hopefully there will be local platform that provides Ireland domiciled ETF in the future..
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That's a long hope. For Roboadvisor, they get kickbacks from the funds they offer, and they'd need the liquidity from US markets for them to move such volume. Won't be happening for a while.

I don't think I'll ever pay robo more than 0.3% annually to manage my fund... so good luck to them. Not to mention most robo is still a mixed bag at the moment.
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post Apr 4 2022, 11:30 AM

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I think for now i will start picking up

VWRA
BRK B or CSPX
QQQ or XLK

5:3:2

I think thats it.
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post Apr 4 2022, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 4 2022, 11:30 AM)
I think for now i will start picking up

VWRA
BRK B or CSPX
QQQ or XLK

5:3:2

I think thats it.
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Wew, must have big fund to purchase BRK B 👀.

Might consider Oracle of Omaha when I have enough funds. 😬
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post Apr 4 2022, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Apr 4 2022, 10:34 AM)
Haha, that's why I keep as little MYR on hand as possible and start looking to earn in non-MYR currencies. MYR is just a depressing currency.
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It is gonna more depressed soon which is why keep more USD and invest in it rclxms.gif

QUOTE(melondance @ Apr 4 2022, 10:57 AM)
Referring to your post above, it's crazy how Stashaway and other Roboadvisors fee of 0.7% can severely eat into the dividend yield of their corresponding ETFs... Even just investing in non Ireland domiciled ETF is wayyy better. Hopefully there will be local platform that provides Ireland domiciled ETF in the future..
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Dream on local platform with IRish ETF as BNM wouldn’t allowed in the 1st place doh.gif

Malaysia taxation standards are not even up to international benchmark and framework with the new global minimum tax doh.gif

QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Apr 4 2022, 11:31 AM)
Wew, must have big fund to purchase BRK B 👀.

Might consider Oracle of Omaha when I have enough funds. 😬
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Still cheaper than buying QQQ doh.gif
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post Apr 4 2022, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Apr 4 2022, 10:08 AM)
What I can tell you is, as of today, there is no VXUS equivalent on Irish-domiciled funds. So your choice do quickly become limited when you want to have multiple tickers in your portfolio but avoid overlapping.

The chart is from ETF Research Center https://www.etfrc.com/funds/overlap.php
But US tickers only, you'll have to use similar US funds to simulate your numbers.

It will quickly devolve into a mess when you start having SP500 ETFs, some random SG REITs, a gold ETF from Australia, a handful of VWRA, a pinch of KWEB and TPE... so, be careful, be mindful.

I strongly recommend having an investment policy, limit yourself to only change it every 6 month or ideally 1 year. If it's something you can't hold for 5 years, don't buy it.

Write down what you buy and why, if you can't justify it today, you can't hold it - and when it turns out to be an eye sore a few months down the line - you can refer to it again: "Did the fundamental reason I bought this ticker change? Or am I selling it purely out of spur of emotions?".
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If monitoring them becomes a mess, use tools like Yahoo Finance to compile all of them in one place. Just login to it to see your daily / whole life earnings/losses in US, SG,MY or elsewhere markets.. even crypto can insert into it.

Can press into each category/stock/etf to view in detail.

Can add wish list at the bottom also (if you leave holdings blank). Set Face ID or fingerprint as password for privacy.

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melondance
post Apr 4 2022, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Apr 4 2022, 12:21 PM)
It is gonna more depressed soon which is why keep more USD and invest in it  rclxms.gif
Dream on local platform with IRish ETF as BNM wouldn’t allowed in the 1st place  doh.gif

Malaysia taxation standards are not even up to international benchmark and framework with the new global minimum tax  doh.gif
Still cheaper than buying QQQ  doh.gif
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Ugh... thats true. BNM wouldn't allow it and it puts all Malaysian at an disadvantage compared to our neighboring countries.
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post Apr 4 2022, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Apr 4 2022, 12:38 PM)
Ugh... thats true. BNM wouldn't allow it and it puts all Malaysian at an disadvantage compared to our neighboring countries.
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This is why I invest less into Bursa also. A lot goreng and manipulation of prices there too due to lack of foreign investors.

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post Apr 4 2022, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 4 2022, 12:36 PM)
If monitoring them becomes a mess, use tools like Yahoo Finance to compile all of them in one place. Just login to it to see your daily / whole life earnings/losses in US, SG,MY or elsewhere markets.. even crypto can insert into it.

Can press into each category/stock/etf to view in detail.

Can add wish list at the bottom also (if you leave holdings blank). Set Face ID or fingerprint as password for privacy.

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Still, tracking it via YF is very lacking. For proper tracking to keep cost basis, IRR, MWR, forex impact , etc an excel sheet is inevitable. Plus, rebalancing them will be a nightmare. Sure you could just keep them in check by steady deposits to under-allocated parts, but there is a limit to it as asset amount grows. Not to mention cost will go up really quickly or alternatively, you lose your DCA effectiveness as you are forced to go round robin on them causing long deposit intervals.

Complex portfolio comes with complex fees and troubles, so, not really the Boglehead's way. Keep it simple, look at it once a month. I'd happily pay 0.5% a year if I can DCA automatically into VWRA without ever looking at it.
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post Apr 4 2022, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Apr 4 2022, 12:38 PM)
Ugh... thats true. BNM wouldn't allow it and it puts all Malaysian at an disadvantage compared to our neighboring countries.
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But hey, at least we have Interactive Brokers. Our close neighbour Singapore is a big fan of buying VWRA through IBKR too over at r/SingaporeFI.

I still can't get over how buying international stocks at what oversea folks consider overpriced is cheaper than buying local stocks commission and fees wise.
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post Apr 4 2022, 02:47 PM

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Welp, for now I will invest in VWRA first. Very diversified. Just buy and keep

And plan for the future Abit. 👀😬

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post Apr 4 2022, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Apr 4 2022, 11:31 AM)
Wew, must have big fund to purchase BRK B 👀.

Might consider Oracle of Omaha when I have enough funds. 😬
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Brk b not a haha
Brk b 360 oni
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post Apr 4 2022, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 4 2022, 05:24 PM)
Brk b not a haha
Brk b 360 oni
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Yeah I know.

All Ze best bruh. 👀😬
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post Apr 4 2022, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Apr 4 2022, 10:57 AM)
Referring to your post above, it's crazy how Stashaway and other Roboadvisors fee of 0.7% can severely eat into the dividend yield of their corresponding ETFs... Even just investing in non Ireland domiciled ETF is wayyy better. Hopefully there will be local platform that provides Ireland domiciled ETF in the future..
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Bcoz only in MY SG HK, dividends are kings. In US, they play the game of capital gains.


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post Apr 4 2022, 05:58 PM

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Starting my buy-and-hold VWRA-only portfolio 😂

Maybe buy some QQQ for flavour.
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post Apr 4 2022, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Apr 4 2022, 05:58 PM)
Starting my buy-and-hold VWRA-only portfolio 😂

Maybe buy some QQQ for flavour.
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Welcome to the VWRA and chill club thumbup.gif

If can get 3 person confirmed maybe can start a list of people who hold 80% VWRA or above tongue.gif or some other arbitrary percentage that can qualify as VWRA and chill
melondance
post Apr 4 2022, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Apr 4 2022, 05:43 PM)
Bcoz only in MY SG HK, dividends are kings. In US, they play the game of capital gains.
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Problem is... in the long term... Even low % dividend becomes really huge factor in the long term. 0.7% is not a small amount, for those who don't bother to research and invest... It might be a good deal as something invested is better than nothing at all
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post Apr 4 2022, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Apr 4 2022, 06:00 PM)
Welcome to the VWRA and chill club  thumbup.gif

If can get 3 person confirmed maybe can start a list of people who hold 80% VWRA or above  tongue.gif  or some other arbitrary percentage that can qualify as VWRA and chill
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I hold VT but its basically the same except for the 15% withholding tax icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 4 2022, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Apr 4 2022, 08:14 PM)
I hold VT but its basically the same except for the 15% withholding tax  icon_rolleyes.gif
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You missed some important points. They look the same. The largest holdings look similar.

But they follow different indices. VWRA follows FTSE All World Index, VT follows FTSE Global All-Cap Index.

Global All Cap has twice the no. of constituents compared to All World.

Global All cap includes small cap (All world excludes small caps), hence the larger no. of constituents.

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On top of that, VWRA follows Irish tax laws and Ireland's law, VT follows US law. They are different. Ireland is a tax haven. There is an added layer of country and regulatory risk not seen in VWRA superficially (the lower WHT comes with a hidden price).

Just something to note.

In the end, passive investing still depends on which indices you follow. Too many variants of indices on the streets and you will turn passive into active since people will start to compare indices (this index outperform that one... etc.)

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QUOTE(melondance @ Apr 4 2022, 08:14 PM)
I hold VT but its basically the same except for the 15% withholding tax  icon_rolleyes.gif
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It's still good, VT even carry more stocks, but of course, there's the the withholding tax issues. My friend buys VT now too because the transaction cost is way cheaper for him to DCA, and his portfolio size isn't large enough to worry about WHT tax drag yet. Once VT yearly dividend tax drag is bigger than maximum possible transaction cost of VWRA, then it's better to switch over.

Welcome to the club!

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