My point is uztaz said it's wrong, preaching to his follower. You said ok in kopitiam, who are you? Uztaz as well?

Why Muslim touch anything consider sacred to other religion is not ok if those muslim don't see it as sacred? How is it interpreted?

This is problem i see within Muslim community, no question ask, taking it as it is without any understanding. It is moving further away from humanity. Religion leader can plot and twist to suit their needs.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Jan 1 2022, 02:11 PM

Are you Hindu or Taoist?
As you know, temples have many idols and statues. We cannot touch those.
The building and the compound we Muslims can help u clean up, during disaster. The rest we cannot touch, so how to help u clean up?

The preacher was giving message to Muslims, not to Non-Muslims. don't worry so much abuout it.

That why I said timing is important.

I didn't read the entire 15 pages of this topic.
Anywaysssss......he just said what I just said, except in Bahasa, and he said it in worst case scenario context and in a way that only Muslims can understand fully.

It's not wrong to help clean up in a temple during disaster, but as Muslims, we have to be very clear on our niat, very clear on what we can do, what we cannot do, what we can touch, what we cannot touch, etc etc.

There are limits to what a Muslim can do to help out in temples etc during disaster. But ask yourself, is that really a cause for people to get upset about?
And as a non Muslims, why do they feel the need to push those limits?

Pushing what limit?
It wasn't me who being upset here then created all this commotion to divide Malaysian community. It's this Muslim preacher and his followers.
Instead of blaming nons why don't you tegur your stupid brother here.

That Azran1979 said it is wrong to help. Didn't you read the replies I quoted? He even said the sin of Muslims cleaning a temple is worst than sin of same sex marriage and this part.

Do we really need to express such kind of prejudice when helping those from different faiths? Kegelisahan masyarakat? As in how care to explain to me? When I told him the Sikh did their best as well to help those Muslims in need, suddenly he lashed back about alcohol selling.
So is it nons fault now for helping Muslims first?

That yugimodo Muslim already explained to him as well but he kept on melalut from being syirik to perbankan Islam. Wtf.

Non muslim like Christian, buddism, hindu have no problem with each other but why only islam?

People said your religion your religion, my religion my religion..

We are good with that until certain religion shoving their belief into others.

I still remember long time ago, there is this one fella in /k who is vegetarian preaching vegetarian lifestyle to /k and saying meat eater is wrong.. he got tembak by all /k Muslim, Christian, buddism, Hindu all united tembak this /k.

We couldn't care and don't have time to care on what you believe as long as it didn't bothers others.
Pakai apa, nak control
Makan minum nak control
Business apa, nak control. Bukan business illegal, ada lesen ada bayar cukai.
Hiburan nak control, censor ni censor tu, bukan kata censor tak betul, semua negara ada censor, av jepun pun ada censor.
Ni sampai nak tolong orang pun nak control.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Jan 1 2022, 03:06 PM

Why PH macai so butt hurt my informing what their beloved leader Tun said? And reporting my post?

One can easily Google to confirm what i wrote. These macai think they can still hide the truth forever.

Or are they saying they don't know who they voted for?

https://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/...aysia.mahathir/

This post has been edited by touristking: Jan 1 2022, 07:28 PM

Diam je la this kind of babi, didn’t ask also

No such thing, there is nothing beyond a rational contextual translation or interpretation of the texts. it is just a line of silly argument to confuse the understanding that does not fall in line. Yeah, you don't know classical Arabic of the 7th century, so that the bottom line is it can't never be wrong or contradictory ever ...

"We don't clean up non Muslim house of worship"

I sure do hope they stop accepting taxes from non-muslims, alcohol and gambling.

It is how rigidly or literally or theologically a believer or a community wants to interpret one's religion in today context. The texts were given in the 7th century that has to be translated/interpreted into the 21st century, of course there are huge gaps you need to imaginatively filled, all according to your learning, belief, bias, community etc ...

Biarlah dia orang...
Some said timah is ok.. some not
Some ok with kopitiam with no pork serve... Some cannot

Biar jer.... U human no brain? Ppl say u follow?

Wow 16 pages long...

Now im thinking, the one who asking UAI this kind of question is really want to know or just want to start a fire....

It is about kindness, it is about caring for others, living in about the same space, same community, it is about being an altruistic human being that goes beyond selfish beliefs.

after what happened so far in Malaysia you still dare to say don't worry so much about what preachers say?

some preachers are also advocating to alienate and vilify "kafirs". who knows what else?

ban gambling ban alchohol are not agendas pushed by preachers?

there are extremist here constantly preaching for their extremist intent and bias to further divide Malaysians.

only your religion ke need to be clear on this and that intent? it's just other religions choose to help rather than be critical on what's written in the holy bible.

to keep advocating this is hypocritical.

is babi banned in lyn forums?

Rationale contextual understanding should come with knowledge of deriving the real meaning based on the history, arabic wording and literature etc2. We cant just brain out using rationality without at least "basic" understanding of the verse. Islam is a duvine religion not a religion in our head only. We need to learn islam to understand to prevent misunderstanding and misconception.

That is your belief Islam is divine, but in reality it is only a mundane religion, an ideology of beliefs like every other religion that existed or still exist. It has been studied by scholars, both religious and secular which we can refer to when complicated contextualized often historical interpretation is required. Otherwise many simple texts are fairly straightforward and easy to understand.

The point is you assumed it is spiritual/divine hence it cannot be understood correctly prior to becoming a full fledged learned Muslim, but note that this is just your belief not rooted in reality.

Who knows the reality of faith? This is our belief. I dunno if there is any smar@ss who can interpret other religious teachings without even the basic foundational knowledge about islam. In Islam, we refer this kind of controversy to muslim scholar and not braining out ourselves. If some other non muslim butthurt because we dont return the favour the same way, it is due to the religious teaching forbid us. We can always return the favour some other way. Please respect our religion because this is our belief system. If you dont, we cant do anything ..lakum dinukum waliyadeen.

biasalah said non don wan to assimilate but on the contrary reject them out the door