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Spear2
post Jan 1 2022, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(johnkia @ Dec 31 2021, 12:49 PM)
Milk maybe beneficial but urine as a byproduct? Same thing like those apek who keep bragging drinking their own urine is the secret to longevity.
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Yes you can find parallel examples in many ancient practices, not only from the pagan Arabs at the time of Muhammad.
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post Jan 1 2022, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(moonhowler @ Dec 31 2021, 07:02 PM)
I think got. He make speech in a stadium like concert. I kid u not.
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Many, preaching to his followers, showing off his memorization skill in spontaneously quoting bulat2 from the Quran. Memorization is part of ritual of recognition in Islam that expresses a status of learned and spirituality.
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post Jan 1 2022, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Dec 31 2021, 01:09 PM)
Supposedly when we are in crisis, people should refer to religion on how to be human.

Some people, when in crisis, like to use religion to gain more power.

Believe me, there is no way a religion would teach people to ignore others in difficult times. Just people who manipulate religion to for personal interest.
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I don't agree, religion always presents a bias view in dealing with anything, including a crisis. Obviously your view and others are in conflict because of how you and others interpret religion, and the different often contradictory positions are adopted by religious people throughout the world. The only way out is in many instances, a rational secular data/evidence driven solutions, coupled with the fact that regardless of religious or not, most humans are kind and helpful.
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post Jan 1 2022, 11:26 AM

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Oohhh. Then the flood being the pig and dog piss into the house. Haram dey the house. Can sell the house?
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post Jan 1 2022, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Jan 1 2022, 11:19 AM)
I don't agree, religion always presents a bias view in dealing with anything, including a crisis. Obviously your view and others are in conflict because of how you and others interpret religion, and the different often contradictory positions are adopted by religious people throughout the world. The only way out is in many instances, a rational secular data/evidence driven solutions, coupled with the fact that regardless of religious or not, most humans are kind and helpful.
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Don't talk shiet.

Secular data also can be bias.

Many anti vaxx use secular data. Many movement using secular data to push their agenda.

Science is useful to explain things that is observable and measured. Religion is useful to guide us through the unknown.

Human is the one who like to manipulate everything to achieve their end goals.
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post Jan 1 2022, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Jan 1 2022, 11:29 AM)
Don't talk shiet.

Secular data also can be bias.

Many anti vaxx use secular data. Many movement using secular data to push their agenda.

Science is useful to explain things that is observable and measured. Religion is useful to guide us through the unknown.

Human is the one who like to manipulate everything to achieve their end goals.
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The shet is on you I am afraid.

You are contradicting here. All religions are humans.
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post Jan 1 2022, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Jan 1 2022, 11:33 AM)
The shet is on you I am afraid.

You are contradicting here. All religions are humans.
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What my contradiction? Religion is a code of idea, like guideline. Human is the one who choose to act.
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post Jan 1 2022, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Jan 1 2022, 11:35 AM)
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What my contradiction? Religion is a code of idea, like guideline. Human is the one who choose to act.
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what a pity you can't understand the implication of what you just said, is Muhammad a human no?
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post Jan 1 2022, 11:41 AM

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Talk with knowledge not.your kuku.
If you dun have knowledge about.islamic fiqh, please dont talk shiat.
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post Jan 1 2022, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jan 1 2022, 11:41 AM)
Talk with knowledge not.your kuku.
If you dun have knowledge about.islamic fiqh, please dont talk shiat.
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A typical Muslim reply without content, all you want to is to blow hot air. After blow, what do you have?
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post Jan 1 2022, 11:56 AM

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Yes, what UAI mention.is from islamic fiqh..islamic perspective ..pls provide.nas or.evidence.against his view.from any reputable.scholar.if there is any. Yes, a muslim should always typically.refers.to islamic teaxhings than.brain out emotionally.
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post Jan 1 2022, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jan 1 2022, 11:56 AM)
Yes, what UAI mention.is from islamic fiqh..islamic perspective ..pls provide.nas or.evidence.against his view.from any reputable.scholar.if there is any. Yes, a muslim should always typically.refers.to islamic teaxhings than.brain out emotionally.
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You are being fed a typical narrative, it stops the questioning, because it seems that only the learned or qualified can explain properly/correctly. This while to some extent is true, does not stop you from learning and questioning why or how or what the expert thinks the way he did. He may be wrong, or based on a deviated belief or one you don't agree since religion is just an idea, a point of view, not something physical or real.

Obviously I am sure you notice without exceptions, all religions have many different interpretations even by those who have spent decades learning.
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post Jan 1 2022, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Jan 1 2022, 12:04 PM)
You are being fed a typical narrative, it stops the questioning, because it seems that only the learned or qualified can explain properly/correctly. This while to some extent is true, does not stop you from learning and questioning why or how or what the expert thinks the way he did. He may be wrong, or based on a deviated belief or one you don't agree since religion is just an idea, a point of view, not something physical or real.

Obviously I am sure you notice without exceptions, all religions have many different interpretations even by those who have spent decades learning.
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Then Pls provide us .the non typical narrative.with nas (evidence) from hadith or al-quran.

I dont buy things without evidence or not in line.with the knowledge. Of islamic fiqh.
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post Jan 1 2022, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jan 1 2022, 12:06 PM)
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Then Pls provide us .the non typical narrative.with nas (evidence) from hadith or al-quran.

I dont buy things without evidence or not in line.with the knowledge. Of islamic fiqh.
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This is a good approach, if you read the Quran you will find many claims are without evidence or just plain wrong or at best vague. Same with the Bible. But did you question it before you accept? I don't think so.

The point is the source itself is not about the veracity of it's texts or revelations if you like, it primarily concern is getting you to believe regardless.
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post Jan 1 2022, 12:28 PM

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There is Malay Muslim cleaning Chinese Tokong,

Before they start cleaning they are Malay Muslim.
When they are cleaning they are Malay Muslim.
Fnish cleaning they are Malay Muslim.
When reach home they still a Malay Muslim.

Real Malay Muslim not easily songsang.God give them a brain n they know how to use.

Those celup spineless hypocrite parasite penungang hard to say.
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I already approach the relevant scholar and.authority in.the.field because there are other.scholar saying.the same.thing as UAI because it did bug me.at first. Anyway, if you.dont.have any.credible.nas, i have nothing.else to say.. lakum deenukum wa liya deen_.
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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 07:30 PM)


ustaz ni yang agak wahabi/salafi pun melarang perbuatan mencuci rumah ibadah agama lain.

kalau ulamak pondok melarang, ulamak wahabi pun melarang, aku tak tahu nak kata apa lagi.

dalam hal ni aku lagi suka kalau kita tunggu fatwa mufti. malangnya masih belum ada apa2 statement dari jabatan mufti perlis (walaupun perlis agak wahabi).

pada orang awam macam kita yang masih ragu2, tambahan pula dalam keadaan darurat macam ni, teruskan sajalah. kita tawakal saja kerana autoriti sendiri belum ada guideline yang jelas.
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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 08:36 PM)
thats my point. it depends on the context. just because its good does not always mean you have to do it. you have to draw a line.
syirik (idoltary) is the biggest sin. even bigger sin than homosexuality. 80% of the quran warns about syirik.

its understandable if many muslims are sensitive against this issue.
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Membersihkan rumah ibadah agama lain selepas bencana alam dan bersihkan untuk tujuan sembahyang sama ke lain? Bersihkan lepas banjir tu bukan untuk upacara sembahyang pun, syirik juga ke? Dh teruk sesat ni.. tau kenapa agama menjadi senjata yang paling bahaya? Sebab org yg bg msj tu sangat penting, org dulu dulu penggunaan bahasa lain, org sekarang lain, lain org lain maksud mrk akan kuarkan walaupun baca ayat yang sama. So yang hadam tu kena la pandai pandai juga ikut keadaan, jgn pembaris sangat.

Tak yah la bagi tau agama mana prinsip tak leh tukar ke apa, cuba tgk zaman dulu sampai sekarang, klu tak leh tukar, rasanya banyak benda kena ikut balik cara zaman purba.


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post Jan 1 2022, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jan 1 2022, 12:33 PM)
I already approach the relevant scholar and.authority in.the.field because there are other.scholar saying.the same.thing as UAI because it did bug me.at first. Anyway, if you.dont.have any.credible.nas, i have nothing.else to say.. lakum deenukum wa liya deen_.
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Here is a different point of view,

https://worldofbuzz.com/muslims-cleaning-te...void-confusion/

Of course you can opt not to clean, or rationalize to clean or just because you place kindness and helping a community in crisis high in your personal life. It is just a point of view but with consequences.
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post Jan 1 2022, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Jan 1 2022, 12:14 PM)
This is a good approach, if you read the Quran you will find many claims are without evidence or just plain wrong or at best vague. Same with the Bible. But did you question it before you accept? I don't think so.

The point is the source itself  is not about the veracity of it's texts or revelations if you like, it primarily concern is getting you to believe regardless.
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Ya true, Because those days no law, rules and regulations as a guideline for human to follow. So that is the way so that ppl can follow. As ppl those days are barbarians, killing everythg. So religion appear so that ppl stop killing.

Now it is not wrong to have religion, but please be logic, not everything can be said without thinking just to have more followers like this Preacher. What i can see is we seem to going backwards.. 🤦
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