This is why context is important.

There is absolutely no reason for Non-Muslims go be triggered or offended.

Niat or intent is important.

It is not permissible for a Muslim to specifically seek out temples or other Non-Muslims places of worship etc, to clean up.

If the intent is to help out during bencana alam and the affected areas include houses or shops or temples etc, belonging to Non-Muslims, it is permissible for us Muslims to help out.
Do not touch anything considered sacred by other religions. It is not permissible for us to touch those things or get involved with those things.

Extremist........ biasalah.

Extremist is where they go into extreme side which doesn't care about others & causes hurt to others.

Which is why kesederhanaan / balance is important.

Some ppl just never learn.

You didn't know? This is what Mahathir aimed for and many non-Muslim supported. So why are the non-Muslim complaining about who they voted for? Hypocrites?



Mahathir: Malaysia is 'fundamentalist state'
June 18, 2002 Posted: 2:57 AM EDT (0657 GMT)

Before accusing people, please understand the whole situation before taking things out of context. I explained the situation in the post above yours.

Why so many butthurt in this thread.

Hello we disagree with this stupid extremist preacher. That's it.
Other races help you when susah,you happily accept. But when kindness return ada je yang panas buntot.

This post has been edited by leftycall9: Jan 1 2022, 01:22 PM

Brother, niat is very important for this kind of issue.

Kalau tiada bencana alam, kalau kita sibuk nak cari kuil, gereja etc untuk bersihkan, itu considered syirik.

Kalau bencana alam berlaku dan kita tolong bersihkan semua kawasan yang affected termasuk kuil, temple, gereja, itu tiada masalah. Bergantung pada niat, tiada masalah untuk kita masuk kuil, temple, gereja etc.

Jangan sentuh apa-apa benda yang diorang pakai untuk sembahyang. Itu jer

That is the thing. Difference of cleaning the worship place after bencana alam cannot be the same as cleaning worship place for praying purpose. For praying purpose we understand, but when for bencana alam also say sth like this, then it is not acceptable.

It is 2 different scenarios. Example, when tsunami hits, only temple are the shelter at the moment, can muslim enter or stay outside?

That twit mcm sudah deleted edy. So finally these idiots know they are wrong?

Interesting, let me combined some surah to make my narrative that it is ok to help clean other house of worship.

I'm not Muslim, I'm an atheist. I doing it to show how one can use any quran verse and any hadith to suit their needs without picking 100% of its content. For me I'm just using Google. I don't recite 100% of quran.

In the Quran, Allah (swt) says: “Help one another in acts of piety and righteousness. And do not assist each other in acts of sinfulness and transgression. And be aware of Allah. Verily, Allah is severe in punishment” (Quran 5:2).

So quran asked follower to help fellow human. But some ask but they are people of different religion.

In quran, Muslim should respect people from other religion, they have their own God.

“Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.” (The Holy Quran 2:62 )

“…and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, ‘We are Christians,’ because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant” (The Holy Quran 5:82)

So people asked again, won't it become unintentional shirk because of cleaning house of worship for other religion?

What does quran said?

Say: 'Call upon other (gods) whom ye fancy, besides Allah. They have no power, not the weight of an atom, in the heavens or on earth: No (sort of) share have they therein, nor is any of them a helper to Allah." (34:22)
"Say: "Do ye see what it is ye invoke besides Allah. Show me what it is they have created on earth, or have they a share in the heavens bring me a book (revealed) before this, or any remnant of knowledge (ye may have), if ye are telling the truth!" (46:4)
"Behold, Luqman said to his son by way of instruction: 'O my son! join not in worship (others) with Allah. for false worship is indeed the highest wrong-doing.'" (31:13)

Have to asked the individual, when they clean other house of worship, do they :-

Supplicating, or praying for help, guidance and protection, etc., from others than Allah
Believing that objects have special "powers" of healing or good luck, even if that object includes Quranic writing or some other Islamic symbolism
Finding your purpose in life from material pursuits, desiring and intending for something other than Allah
Obeying others over Allah; showing that you are ready to disobey Allah's guidance when it suits you
Engaging in magic, sorcery or fortune telling that attempts to see the unseen or predict future events -- only Allah knows such things

If they didn't then there is no shirk.

Tldr - im picking abit here, abit there to form my intention, and leaving out other portion of it. My point is if i can do that, anyone can including terrorist.

Only difference is i cannot recite 100% of quran and hadith, neither do i remembered all of it. But a terrorist can, so terrorist word is more credible then mine. People will of course believe those who can recite 100% quran and hadith.

Just need to have good memory, not smart. If I'm into it, just take years to remembered 100% of it, everyone also can, be it 1 year, 10 years or 30 years.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Jan 1 2022, 01:40 PM

then that means Islam teaching selfishness ??...killing the intent to help non muslim ??

From what I've seen those UIA kids just went there to help clean the temple. Highly doubt they did it because they intended to convert or change their faith. Same goes with a bunch Indian who helped mopping the mosque in Klang. But what's up with all this bersangka buruk about their niat till idiot in this thread butthurt saying this kind of act boleh mendatangkan kegelisahan masyarakat?

You don't see this issue when nons helping the Muslims during banjir. Semua elok terima pertolongan dari nons tanpa was was.

No offence but.that.is.not.the.way to.read and.understand.the.quran. you.need to.learn beyond the.translation. it.is.not.easy to.derive.something.just.by reading.translation. anyway i appreciate.the concern.

Yes, your right.


Tldr - im picking abit here, abit there to form my intention, and leaving out other portion of it. My point is if i can do that, anyone can including terrorist.

Only difference is i cannot recite 100% of quran and hadith, neither do i remembered all of it. But a terrorist can, so terrorist word is more credible then mine. People will of course believe those who can recite 100% quran and hadith.

Just need to have good memory, not smart. If I'm into it, just take years to remembered 100% of it, everyone also can, be it 1 year, 10 years or 30 years.


Questions is those so called uztaz, do they do the same? Anyone challenge them asking them question? Or it is just one way street of communication? They said, you believe?

Have you question them, if just help and not

Supplicating, or praying for help, guidance and protection, etc., from others than Allah
Believing that objects have special "powers" of healing or good luck, even if that object includes Quranic writing or some other Islamic symbolism
Finding your purpose in life from material pursuits, desiring and intending for something other than Allah
Obeying others over Allah; showing that you are ready to disobey Allah's guidance when it suits you
Engaging in magic, sorcery or fortune telling that attempts to see the unseen or predict future events -- only Allah knows such things


Will it be ok? Have you question them about this verse?

In the Quran, Allah (swt) says: “Help one another in acts of piety and righteousness. And do not assist each other in acts of sinfulness and transgression. And be aware of Allah. Verily, Allah is severe in punishment” (Quran 5:2).

If not, why you don't question your uztaz? The action of not helping contradicting and is a sin.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Jan 1 2022, 01:51 PM

Why do you say that?

I literally just said that it's ok to help out Non-Muslims during natural disasters, including cleaning up temples, kuils, etc.

Why you interpreted that as selfishness? I do not understand.

Its up to you to disagree..especially if you are.non muslim. As a.muslim, it is not allowed as being.said by several.scholars. as for.the.return.of.kindness, we have the.same.thing happened during.the.time of.prophet muhammad S.A.W.. the same return of "kindness" offered.by the non believers.

So yeah, we muslim.just.follow.the islamic.teaching. please dont butthurt if we.dont return.kindness.by cleaning.the.temple. we.can.always.return.it.some.other.ways..

What your point exactly?
What issue you talking about? Got any bersangka buruk happening? Did anyone say anything about the niat of Indians cleaning up mosques?

Those Muslim kids already returned the kindness by cleaning the temple. You nak butthurt dah terlambat. Kuil dah habis cuci masjid dah habis mop. They already did it.

Praying to deities is forbidden to us Muslims.

" And do not assist each other in acts of sinfulness and transgression. "

Therefore it is forbidden for us Muslims to clean up or touch anything considered sacred to other religions, or anything used to offer prayers or sacrifices to their deities.

But nothing wrong with cleaning up the building and compound.


What's your point exactly?

That idiot preacher can shutup during disaster times. Anytime no one will give a shit. After ppl help then come out talk 3 talk 4 is like cari pasal.

Timing is important, he can talk at any other day. Not now. Islam itself is allowed ppl to help.

This post has been edited by kcchong2000: Jan 1 2022, 02:01 PM

Here. Why don't you educate your brother here because when I was trying to explain what those UIA kids were doing he kept on merepek pusing2 about same sex marriage and alcohol selling. Benda takde kaitan but he kept on melalut.