You are mistaken, this is not about respecting your beliefs, nor getting some childish butthurt, this is about knowledge or epistemology. Anyone can make any claim about their beliefs, but there are ways we can use to ascertain the validity and veracity of those claims. But if you prefer to just make empty claim, empty because there is no basis or argument for it, you are welcomed to it too.

The point is saying this is such and such is not binding to anyone who doesn't share your belief, nor you can impose on others because it is not rooted in reality.

Cause you know what? Ppl look at the topic content and immediately make judgement causing very unnecessary discussion and argument.

As usual,
some /k dont have/understand tauhid..

'Alrite boys..fire them up.Yeeehaaaw...!!' as soon as they saw this thread..

What claim. Im just saying, religious law should be interpreted not using empty brain, but with knowledge of the religious subjects. Suddenly /k butthurt with UAI and other muslim scholar giving their opinion on their expert subject. If you want to interpret your own religious principle and teachings.its up to you.

You are not muslim scholar are you?

This post has been edited by fist_Aileron: Jan 3 2022, 12:15 PM

nak sekolahkan orang pasal Islam kt K ni mmg susah. Nak dorang (non mulsim) je betul dan menang sbb guna logic akal.

Tak faham Islam tapi acah2 tahu ilmu tauhid, fiqh, sirah, fardhu ain, tafsir, dsb.

Kan?Macam orang kampung tak lepas SPM tapi nak bercakap pasal neurogenetics gunakan akal haha. Cakap macam dialah profesor teologi seluruh agama. Haiyaaaa

This post has been edited by fist_Aileron: Jan 3 2022, 12:21 PM

ramai yang anggap hidup beragama ni ikut "rasa-rasa".

Rasa betul, boleh buat, rasa tak betul tak boleh buat. padahal dalam ajaran Islam yang kompleks tetapi sebenarnya menyenangkan ni setiap satu adalah guideline yg digariskan oleh Al Quran dan Hadtih, yg mana ianya ditafsirkan dgn gabungan2 ilmu lain seperti ilmu bahasa, sirah, feqah. bukan main rasa-rasa.

Even menghalalkan barang curi oleh empunya barang pun adalah satu kaedah. bukan main rasa-rasa.

nak sembang dgn nons pasal Islam, di internet lebih2 lagi dlm /K ni mmg jalan buntu lah.

kebanyakan dah terpesong. Yg liberal pun sama. nama pun liberal. Islam liberal pun xboleh pakai sgt sbb terlalu lenient. Rakan2 yg bagus dan faham ada jugak. dan terima kasih saudara Azran jugak yg berhempas pulas menerangkan serta menyuluh jalan kpd mereka yg berkenaan.

What we are trying to tell you is that we Muslims all share the same beliefs.
You can accept that beliefs or you cannot accept that beliefs, either way it doesn't matter to us.

You come in here and you tell us our beliefs is wrong.
Wrong based on what? Based on your views?

It sounds rude, but you are not qualified to give your views on Islamic theology. Islam is not a religion that must conform to what you think it must be like this, or it must be like that.
7th century, 21st century, it doesn't matter. Islam never changes.
Even as society become more and more liberal, Muslims must stay true to our teachings.

You are trying to make Islam conform to the world.
Tolerance is accepting differences.
Tolerance is not forcing others to conform to you.

Inilah masaalah yang dibelenggu muslim. Kepercayaan yang keterlaluan bukan pada agama, tapi pada manusia. Manusia yang kononnya pakar agama.

Kemudiannya wujudnya segelintir manusia ni yang memperalatkan pengikutnya untuk kepentingan peribadi diorang.

I bagi contoh di timur tengah, ada segelintir tok guru menyuruh pengikut dia berjihad. Mereka ni pakar agama, tak boleh dinafikan. Tahu ilmu tauhid, fiqh, sirah, fardhu ain, tafsir, dsb.
Cumanya, mereka menyesongkan pemikiran pengikut mereka untuk kepentingan mereka.
Tu yang jadinya pengebom berani mati atas nama tuhan.

Pointnya disini yang ingin saya tegaskan ialah jangan telan bulat bulat, tanya soalan. Uztaz terangkan melalui kitab, tapi dalam kitab yang sama, ada point point yang bercanggah, tu wujudnya persoalan. Tapi ada nak tanya? Takde.

Sebab mereka rasa ilmu mereka tak sehebat pakar. Hello, tanya untuk dapat lebih kepastian tak salah kan? Uztaz mana yang tak suka orang challenge dia ni tak layak jadi uztaz. Kata nak turunkan ilmu, orang tanya nak dapatkan ilmu takkan tak boleh?

Lagi satu yang i nampak, dalam ceramah 1 jam. Berapa jam ceramah mengajar kemanusiaan, berapa jam mengajar kerohanian dan hukum? Kemanusiaan / humanity itu penting. Tolong mangsa banjir, ni kemanusiaan. Cuba tengok rekod rekod video ceramah. Cuma 10% context kemanusiaan, kadang kala takde langsung menyentuh pasal kemanusiaan. Yang ditegaskan, apa yang tak boleh, dan hukum.

That's khawarij.

It was never an issue in the rest of the Muslim world, only here. Why ?

Dengar lagi dari circle jerk interpretation, also a particular excon

Kita bukan taksub. Point di sini kebanyakan ilmuan berpendapat sama. Ini bukan mengenai UAI semata. Dia pun ada banyak silap dan ngaruk ngabang..my family personally knew him.. The thing he said conform with other scholar view. We are talking about following the scholar views..ijma' ulamak. Bukan membabi buta guna akal fikiran tanpa panduan dan tertib ilmu.

Ini bukan wala' ini bukan ta'sub. Ini ialah menggunakan akal dan ilmu bukannya membaby buta ikut perasaan dan the so called rationalism

This post has been edited by fist_Aileron: Jan 3 2022, 03:18 PM

Kalau gitu, mufti penang kata boleh, uztaz turkey kata boleh, ni macam mana? Siapa betul, siapa salah?

Syirik tu apa? Macam mana boleh syirik? Orang yang bersihkan tempat ibadah lain tapi tak ada kepercayaan, tak ada sembah, niat cuma nak tolong mangsa banjir, esok masih pergi masjid sembahyang, tu syirik?

Kata Allah maha kuasa, serba tahu, amalan sembahyang tak elok (syirik) pun dia tahu , takkan orang yang tolong bersihkan tu ada sembah x de dan niat mereka allah tak tahu?

I tak tau pasal islam, tapi pada sudut pandangan kristian, hindu, buddhism, orang tu telah berbuat sesuatu perkara yang baik. Patut digalakkan niat untuk membantu mangsa banjir dan tidak sepatutnya diketepikan.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Jan 3 2022, 06:38 PM

1) Dalam Islam mmg raikan pandangan berbeza. Tapi orang Islam lebih baik ambil pandangan lebih selamat.

2) Allah maha mengetahui. Tapi silap ramai orang islam ingat agama ni hanya pada niat. Ia perlu pada lafaz dan perbuatan juga selain niat yang paling penting.

3) Bukan isu syirik bila bersihkan tu masalah pada Allah. Tapi masalah pada penganut islam yang percaya baik buruk ajaran Islam.
Saya tak rasa ia patut diperdebatkan bagi muslim yang tahu hukum hakam... apatah lagi bukan Islam. Ia tak sepatutnya jadi isu jika tak return favour bersihkan temple pun. Boleh balas cara lain kan. Apa pun, bagi kamu agama kamu, biarlah kami dengan kepercayaan kami. Whatever kolot or backward you guys think it is.

Some ppl prefer to follow preachers than al-quran

Real islam is not what is pas/preachers potrayed

Hence why its called parti ajaran sesat

And preachers are still human being, bound to make mistake

Kalau tak impak masyarakat, i pun takde masa nak layan.

Jangan kata islam, kuil dan gereja pun i takde masa nak pergi.
Masaalahnya bila ianya memberikan kesan pada kehidupan harian i. Itu menyebabkan suatu masaalah bagi i, baru i bersuara.

Contohnya, i pi supermarket, beli daging, dulu i tak perlu jalan satu round besar pi non halal seksyen. Bayar boleh bayar semua kat satu kaunter.

Sekarang, nak beli ikan , ayam, kena pergi satu seksyen, bayar. Pastu heret satu dua bungkus pi seksyen non halal, kena letak bungkusan yang baru dibeli kat pak guard masuk beli pastu kena bayar berasingan. Menyusahkan.

Bab ni boleh kita terima, hidup bermasyarakat, susah sikit takpe. Pastu, sekarang ni, toto magnum nak beli, hari cabutan dikurangkan. Okay, kurangkan judi pun baik jugak

Pastu ada mintak alkohol tak boleh dijual, ni haram jadah mana ni yang menyusahkan kehidupan orang lain?

Ni lagi satu, pada bulan puasa. Nak puasa orang tak halang, tapi yang pi halang orang tak puasa makan sebab apa? Logiknya mana? Hukum agama apa korang pakai menghalang orang yang tak wajib puasa makan? Nak bukak kedai makan (bulan puasa) buat business pun tak bagi. Ni quran mana, hadith mana yang dipetik suruh buat gitu?

Pastu, kata orang islamophobia bila kita bersuara.

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Jan 3 2022, 07:31 PM

I understand your qualms and agree fully on this. Some if not most of us are really overboard doing things not being preached in Islam..unto others non muslim. Honestly i do feel bad about that.

We nons can't say anything, but please stop your brothers and sisters from this madness. Our parents and grandparents time , those who is Muslim is practicing islam as well. Is the new generation now saying the older generation practicing islam wrongly? All muslim who lived in the past / our ancestors will be burned in hell? Why the changes? Or the need to changes?

When we asked to change so it suit modern time, some said islam shouldn't change and should stay true to tradition. Then making changes unlike what been practice in the '60 or even before that. If don't want change, why islam today different then in the 1960?

Tunku abdul rahman , bapa malaysia is a muslim. But his islamic practice is totally different. Even najib father also is a muslim and had been our pm for a term. So his father is practicing wrong version of islam as well?

This post has been edited by wanted111who: Jan 3 2022, 09:33 PM

Then must learn to read Arabic lo and discover what those so-called ulama have been lying to you about all this while lo.
Kan, if any nons can be a suspect surely everyone else is out to get you, right?

That is a strawman you are pulling, what empty brain except you own making? You haven't even talked about anything religious except butt off and feeling offended. Sheesh.