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post Jan 4 2022, 02:21 PM

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Cuci mulut dengan otak dulu. Farking dirty scum.
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post Jan 4 2022, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ Dec 30 2021, 07:01 PM)
Kaum lain cuci masjid helped each other. But Muslim returned the favour tak payah prejudice sangat. Semua nak triggered.
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i wonder if he ever choose certain money and blood laugh.gif

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post Jan 4 2022, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(WindDragon @ Jan 3 2022, 12:52 PM)
What we are trying to tell you is that we Muslims all share the same beliefs.
You can accept that beliefs or you cannot accept that beliefs, either way it doesn't matter to us.

You come in here and you tell us our beliefs is wrong.
Wrong based on what? Based on your views?

It sounds rude, but you are not qualified to give your views on Islamic theology. Islam is not a religion that must conform to what you think it must be like this, or it must be like that.
7th century, 21st century, it doesn't matter. Islam never changes.
Even as society become more and more liberal, Muslims must stay true to our teachings.

You are trying to make Islam conform to the world.
Tolerance is accepting differences.
Tolerance is not forcing others to conform to you.
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Nope, I m telling you your religion is no different from others. Nor it is based on your bias view or what you claimed that your religion never changes, or Muslims must stay true to Islamic teachings as if there is some true teachings to be had etc ... , These are just your views and words that carry no real meaning in reality, except that it makes you feel good I guess ...

For example Islam is apparently known to be intolerant of others despite of what you are saying.
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Jan 4 2022, 02:20 PM)
That is a strawman you are pulling, what empty brain except you own making? You haven't even talked about anything religious except butt off and feeling offended. Sheesh.
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No im not offended. You seems to be the one offended because of muslim scholar forbiding muslim to return favour by cleabing the temple. That does not in any mean we are intolerant to other religion. It just means that some set of rules must be followed by muslim.
My explaination does not mean im offended. I dont really care whether it is UAI or DrMaza or ASWAJA who mention this. Im just explaining the reason UAI said so to those who want to know why.
If you choose to ignore..do you think i care hahah. Im stopping here, ive made my point especially to fellow muslim an curious non.. you can continue your ranting and complaining on our religion. It will still be the same islam. No change

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post Jan 4 2022, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jan 3 2022, 07:25 PM)
Kalau tak impak masyarakat, i pun takde masa nak layan.

Jangan kata islam, kuil dan gereja pun i takde masa nak pergi.
Masaalahnya bila ianya memberikan kesan pada kehidupan harian i. Itu menyebabkan suatu masaalah bagi i, baru i bersuara.

Contohnya, i pi supermarket, beli daging, dulu i tak perlu jalan satu round besar pi non halal seksyen. Bayar boleh bayar semua kat satu kaunter.

Sekarang, nak beli ikan , ayam, kena pergi satu seksyen, bayar. Pastu heret satu dua bungkus pi seksyen non halal, kena letak bungkusan yang baru dibeli kat pak guard masuk beli pastu kena bayar berasingan. Menyusahkan.

Bab ni boleh kita terima, hidup bermasyarakat, susah sikit takpe. Pastu, sekarang ni, toto magnum nak beli, hari cabutan dikurangkan. Okay, kurangkan judi pun baik jugak

Pastu ada mintak alkohol tak boleh dijual, ni haram jadah mana ni yang menyusahkan kehidupan orang lain?

Ni lagi satu, pada bulan puasa. Nak puasa orang tak halang, tapi yang pi halang orang tak puasa makan sebab apa? Logiknya mana? Hukum agama apa korang pakai menghalang orang yang tak wajib puasa makan?  Nak bukak kedai makan (bulan puasa) buat business pun tak bagi. Ni quran mana, hadith mana yang dipetik suruh buat gitu?

Pastu, kata orang islamophobia bila kita bersuara.
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itu yg apa nama toleransi sebenar, satu arah saja, kerana kehidupan org bukam Islam ni adanya haram di mata org berugama. Mesti diubah, atau dihadkan atau lebih baik dilarang sama sekali. Tapi bila menulis ttg toleransi, main sedap dengar, marilah kita saling hormat menghormati cara kehidupan masing2 ... tapi tiba masanya something berlaku, tu tak boleh kerana ...
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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jan 4 2022, 02:46 PM)
No im not offended. You seems to be the one offended because of muslim scholar forbiding muslim to return favour by cleabing the temple. That does not in any mean we are intolerant to other religion. It just means that some set of rules must be followed by muslim.
My explaination does not mean im offended. I dont really care whether it is UAI or DrMaza or ASWAJA who mention this. Im just explaining the reason UAI said so to those who want to know why.
If you choose to ignore..do you think i care hahah
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My point is 2, the set of religious rules are fluid depending on how you want to interpret them. 2nd by forbidding Muslim to help, out of kindness is being intolerant. You can give 10 reasons why your religion forbids but when it comes to greater good or noble moral value/obligation, it is just being intolerant. If you look from the outside or on some other religion being selfish, you would understand better..
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post Jan 4 2022, 03:12 PM

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Religion should be inclusive not exclusive.

No wonder people are not respecting such teaching.


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post Jan 4 2022, 03:18 PM

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When I saw this guy at Sogo in al ikhsan, I thought wanna say hi. Then later I'm getting conflict of interest with what he says. End up the staff there got selfie with him. As a celebrity, yeah you probably do a good job when u partner with popular celebs like zizan. But you are not doing good job disseminating Islamic teachings.
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post Jan 4 2022, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Jan 4 2022, 02:30 PM)
Nope, I m telling you your religion is no different from others. Nor it is based on your bias view or what you claimed that your religion never changes, or Muslims must stay true to Islamic teachings as if there is some true teachings to be had etc ... , These are just your views and words that carry no real meaning in reality, except that it makes you feel good I guess ...

For example Islam is apparently known to be intolerant of others despite of what you are saying.
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So you come in here and you insult Islam.
You say our views are biased, you imply that Islamic teachings is not true.

But somehow Islam is intolerant one?

Do you know what is a hypocrite?
Someone who cannot accept that others are different. They must force others to be exactly like them. If others refuse to be like them, they say "look! This person is intolerant!"

Who is the intolerant one?
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post Jan 4 2022, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jan 3 2022, 07:25 PM)
Kalau tak impak masyarakat, i pun takde masa nak layan.

Jangan kata islam, kuil dan gereja pun i takde masa nak pergi.
Masaalahnya bila ianya memberikan kesan pada kehidupan harian i. Itu menyebabkan suatu masaalah bagi i, baru i bersuara.

Contohnya, i pi supermarket, beli daging, dulu i tak perlu jalan satu round besar pi non halal seksyen. Bayar boleh bayar semua kat satu kaunter.

Sekarang, nak beli ikan , ayam, kena pergi satu seksyen, bayar. Pastu heret satu dua bungkus pi seksyen non halal, kena letak bungkusan yang baru dibeli kat pak guard masuk beli pastu kena bayar berasingan. Menyusahkan.

Bab ni boleh kita terima, hidup bermasyarakat, susah sikit takpe. Pastu, sekarang ni, toto magnum nak beli, hari cabutan dikurangkan. Okay, kurangkan judi pun baik jugak

Pastu ada mintak alkohol tak boleh dijual, ni haram jadah mana ni yang menyusahkan kehidupan orang lain?

Ni lagi satu, pada bulan puasa. Nak puasa orang tak halang, tapi yang pi halang orang tak puasa makan sebab apa? Logiknya mana? Hukum agama apa korang pakai menghalang orang yang tak wajib puasa makan?  Nak bukak kedai makan (bulan puasa) buat business pun tak bagi. Ni quran mana, hadith mana yang dipetik suruh buat gitu?

Pastu, kata orang islamophobia bila kita bersuara.
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So basically you are saying that you feel oppressed because you have to walk an extra 10 meters to the non-Halal section in the shopping mall, to buy pork and beer?

Regarding 4D gambling. You can already gamble 3 times a week. Do you have to gamble every FUCKING day of the week? And you blaming Islam because you are not allowed to gamble every FUCKING day of the week?
Tuesdays special draw was started by Tan Sri Vincent Tan, you go take it up with him regarding Tuesdays special draws.

And regarding availability of alcohol. I can literally walk out from my condo and within a few meters, enter a 7-11, MyNews, buy a couple of cans , drink it all while standing in the middle of the street, and no one would stop me. And I stay in fucking Cyberjaya/Putrajaya. Alcohol hard to get meh?
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QUOTE(WindDragon @ Jan 4 2022, 04:32 PM)
So basically you are saying that you feel oppressed because you have to walk an extra 10 meters to the non-Halal section in the shopping mall, to buy pork and beer?

Regarding 4D gambling. You can already gamble 3 times a week. Do you have to gamble every FUCKING day of the week? And you blaming Islam because you are not allowed to gamble every FUCKING day of the week?
Tuesdays special draw was started by Tan Sri Vincent Tan, you go take it up with him regarding Tuesdays special draws.

And regarding availability of alcohol. I can literally walk out from my condo and within a few meters, enter a 7-11, MyNews, buy a couple of cans , drink it all while standing in the middle of the street, and no one would stop me. And I stay in fucking Cyberjaya/Putrajaya. Alcohol hard to get meh?
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QUOTE(WindDragon @ Jan 4 2022, 04:09 PM)
Do you know what is a hypocrite?
Someone who cannot accept that others are different. They must force others to be exactly like them. If others refuse to be like them, they say "look! This person is intolerant!"

Who is the intolerant one?
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Keyword :They must force others to be exactly like them

Shoving their belief into other,
look at mirror u will find hyprocracy.

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post Jan 4 2022, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(WindDragon @ Jan 4 2022, 04:09 PM)
So you come in here and you insult Islam.
You say our views are biased, you imply that Islamic teachings is not true.

But somehow Islam is intolerant one?

Do you know what is a hypocrite?
Someone who cannot accept that others are different. They must force others to be exactly like them. If others refuse to be like them, they say "look! This person is intolerant!"

Who is the intolerant one?
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Insult you say? Don't be so sensitive. Do you even understand what I said? Islam like other religions are of no difference how it's knowledge (rules or do or don't) is derived, and that your point of view is just a point of view because even in Islam there are so many differences, yes many are minors but some are big ya. Is this an insult? Only if in your view Islam is above everyone else, which is where the intolerance comes from.

Okay?
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post Jan 4 2022, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(WindDragon @ Jan 4 2022, 04:09 PM)
So you come in here and you insult Islam.
You say our views are biased, you imply that Islamic teachings is not true.
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why you twisting his words? icon_idea.gif

you imply that you know true Islamic teachings, who are you to say that?

he didn't say Islamic teachings is not true, but you're simply (mis)interpreting it as you see fit.

same as what this ustaz did.

don't put your intolerance on the religion.
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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jan 4 2022, 02:46 PM)
No im not offended. You seems to be the one offended because of muslim scholar forbiding muslim to return favour by cleabing the temple. That does not in any mean we are intolerant to other religion. It just means that some set of rules must be followed by muslim.
My explaination does not mean im offended. I dont really care whether it is UAI or DrMaza or ASWAJA who mention this. Im just explaining the reason UAI said so to those who want to know why.
If you choose to ignore..do you think i care hahah. Im stopping here, ive made my point especially to fellow muslim an curious non..  you can continue your ranting and complaining on our religion. It will still be the same islam. No change
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We are not intolerant, just following some set of rules, lol ok. It is not intolerance if we don't help clean other houses of worship after a disaster. It's just a set of rules we must follow, nothing intolerant about it laugh.gif

Like saying, I am not punching you, I'm just following set neural impulses to move my fist towards you. So no, it's not a punch ya laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gaman @ Jan 4 2022, 03:12 PM)
Religion should be inclusive not exclusive.

No wonder people are not respecting such teaching.
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Ok lah, you start an all inclusive religion. We all will join you.

Monday pray to Allah, Tuesday pray to Jesus, Wednesday pray to Buddha, Thursday pray to Satan, etc..

All inclusive religion? You are being ridiculous.
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QUOTE(WindDragon @ Jan 4 2022, 04:09 PM)
So you come in here and you insult Islam.
You say our views are biased, you imply that Islamic teachings is not true.

But somehow Islam is intolerant one?

Do you know what is a hypocrite?
Someone who cannot accept that others are different. They must force others to be exactly like them. If others refuse to be like them, they say "look! This person is intolerant!"

Who is the intolerant one?
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well dude, look in the mirror first

and you will know which religion is most intolerant
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jan 4 2022, 05:00 PM)
Best reply is reply from own shooting own foot.
Keyword :They must force others to be exactly like them

Shoving their belief into other,
look at mirror u will find hyprocracy.
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My whole point is non-Muslims can eat pork, drink beer and gamble.

So why must force people to mix pork together with chicken in
supermarket to make it more convenient for non-muslims when you know that pork is Haram for Muslims?

Accept peoples differences la.

Is Muslims being intolerant because non Muslims are inconvenienced by the separation of halal and Haram things like pork and alcohol?
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QUOTE(WindDragon @ Jan 4 2022, 06:49 PM)
My whole point is non-Muslims can eat pork, drink beer and gamble.

So why must force people to mix pork together with chicken in
supermarket to make it more convenient for non-muslims when you know that pork is Haram for Muslims?

Accept peoples differences la.

Is Muslims being intolerant because non Muslims are inconvenienced by the separation of halal and Haram things like pork and alcohol?
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My point is , non muslim do not have what's haram to you, why want force people to follow you?

The law of nation allowed license gambling, allow sales of alcohol.

Why puasa you want force restaurant to close? Why you want limit the day for 4d draw?

Why community go other people business make huh hah and forbid people placing alcohol drink in their fridge? Why want to go other people shop make huh hah they selling paint brush made of pig fur? They ask you to jilat it?

Why want make noise of cadbury chocolate?

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 4 2022, 05:58 PM)
We are not intolerant, just following some set of rules, lol ok. It is not intolerance if we don't help clean other houses of worship after a disaster. It's just a set of rules we must follow, nothing intolerant about it  laugh.gif

Like saying, I am not punching you, I'm just following set neural impulses to move my fist towards you. So no, it's not a punch ya laugh.gif
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So you butthurt leh?
I thought most of non said nahhh..we dont bother pun.
My concern is for the muslim.
It shouldnt offend the non muslim because we are not really punching you right. What a funny analogy lol.

Tak offended kunun tapi macam kena tumbuk pula.

My view is non muslim should not be offended abd should respect other teaching. That is what being tolerant is.

Not returning favour cleaning the temple due to abiding islamic teaching should not offend the non muslim. Right?
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Jan 4 2022, 02:57 PM)
My point is 2, the set of religious rules are fluid depending on how you want to interpret them. 2nd by forbidding Muslim to help, out of kindness is being intolerant. You can give 10 reasons why your religion forbids but when it comes to greater good or noble moral value/obligation, it is just being intolerant. If you look from the outside or on some other religion being selfish, you would understand better..
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I interpret my religion based on my islamic knowledge since primary sxhool, secondary islamic school, spm quran sunnah and syariah, islamic university, and continuous education in islamic teachings. By following the muslim scholars.

So how do you interpret other religion..particularly islam? On what basis and foundational knowledge in islam? Its not us being intolerant. Its probably just you being ignorant.



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