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giftfre
post Jan 4 2022, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 4 2022, 01:30 PM)
Exactly!

Fundamentals at this point is most crucial because the loan rights c/w warrants happened because it's a billion dollar fundraiser attempt to rescue AA.

The last reporter QR...

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yaa..... we can see clearly the superapp/digital/big pay are all losing money.... and yea... part of the money raised from the loans stock issue will be dumped into the digital business...  rolleyes.gif 

The debts AA is carrying...

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The lease burden ... 13.9 billion!!

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The new planes on back order.... 97 billion!!

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( all of which I would argue that is all AA own gross mismanagement!! )
and this is where the money of the 1 billion loan stock issue will go to... (500 million goes for working expenses  sweat.gif  sweat.gif )

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how? Can AA survive based on these numbers??
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Yes, Ah Boon. from the technical data and current prospect, this stock can keep in cold storage, no eye see.
Previous post, got member support AirAsia merely because keep faith in Mr Tony (some said he is sifu in pursuing people/ manipulate the biz).
So my point is for this counter, we can only depend on how Tony and the team see the risk/ problem and turn into opportunity.
Plz keep posting latest news about Tony and the team action plan and strategy. May be he still got Cable besar with current PM.
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post Jan 4 2022, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(giftfre @ Jan 4 2022, 04:16 PM)
Yes, Ah Boon. from the technical data and current prospect, this stock can keep in cold storage, no eye see.
Previous post, got member support AirAsia merely because keep faith in Mr Tony (some said he is sifu in pursuing people/ manipulate the biz).
So my point is for this counter, we can only depend on how Tony and the team see the risk/ problem and turn into opportunity.
Plz keep posting latest news about Tony and the team action plan and strategy. May be he still got Cable besar with current PM.
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For me, beside avoiding this stock, I would stress all this mess is from its own mismanagement....

Developing growth from engineering of debts is nothing but a house of debts and this is what AA is. And worst still, he gambled heavily and lost extremely heavy on hedging.

The 100 billion worth of obligation to buy new airplanes (yeah, whatever happened to that bribery case?) is utterly insane.
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post Jan 13 2022, 04:10 PM

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scary……
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post Jan 13 2022, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(bcombat @ Jan 13 2022, 04:10 PM)
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scary……
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Maybe underwriters unloading?
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post Jan 13 2022, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jan 13 2022, 04:31 PM)
Maybe underwriters unloading?
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come next reporting QR ... will its ASSets > liabilities? rolleyes.gif
bcombat
post Jan 14 2022, 12:22 AM

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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...sses-its-appeal

Gap down tomorrow??
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post Jan 14 2022, 07:45 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jan 4 2022, 01:51 PM)
Strange thing is that the stock has a -0.81 NTA (based on latest quarter)...today is traded at 0.81!!!
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Nah...

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...39s-pn17-appeal

Bursa so bad ah? Got give or no give chansi? tongue.gif
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post Jan 14 2022, 09:52 AM

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post Jan 14 2022, 09:57 AM

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anyway the stock has bounced from the worst

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post Jan 14 2022, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 14 2022, 07:45 AM)
Nah...

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...39s-pn17-appeal

Bursa so bad ah? Got give or no give chansi? tongue.gif
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Already give chance since July 2020.

N PN17 not the end of the world yet...


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post Jan 14 2022, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jan 14 2022, 10:45 AM)
Already give chance since July 2020.

N PN17 not the end of the world yet...
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True that PN17 is not 100% dead.... but then...

AA how la....

1 billion rights issue... (amount correct?)

Got that placement share... Dunno how many millions...

Got that few hundred million loan... yes?




And yet...... here we are... the overwhelming lubang is still there...
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post Jan 14 2022, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(bcombat @ Jan 14 2022, 09:57 AM)
anyway the stock has bounced from the worst

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post Jan 14 2022, 12:19 PM

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What happened to air Asia creditors will likely happen to shareholders. No prize given who will be the winner at the end.

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post Jan 14 2022, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 14 2022, 12:19 PM)
What happened to air Asia creditors will likely happen to shareholders. No prize given who will be the winner at the end.
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shareholder = equity owners = last to recoup every single cent left behind.
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post Jan 14 2022, 05:55 PM

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I always wonder that this company, annual report always show negative figures, but people still supporting it. Now it just went from bad to worse..even during precovid the statements alrdy showing negative figures
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post Jan 14 2022, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(HumbleBF @ Jan 14 2022, 05:55 PM)
I always wonder that this company, annual report always show negative figures, but people still supporting it. Now it just went from bad to worse..even during precovid the statements alrdy showing negative figures
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This is why you have to discard all emotions and opinions and read the report as it is.

No love/hate or fansi stuff.
And discard all hero worship nonsense.

Read the numbers as it is.

The house of card was there for all to see......
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post Jan 14 2022, 06:49 PM

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Even now.... what's the future hurdles?

1. The lease liabilities, which runs over 10 billion currently.
2. The insane commitment to buy 100 billion worth of airplanes.
3. The depreciation of leased assets. Yup. It's leased planes has a age factor.
4. Can the shareholder trust the boss not to simply bet on its hedges?


Last but not least covid wasn't the reason why the company is in such a hold. COVID only exposed its failings.
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post Jan 14 2022, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 14 2022, 06:44 PM)
This is why you have to discard all emotions and opinions and read the report as it is.

No love/hate or fansi stuff.
And discard all hero worship nonsense.

Read the numbers as it is.

The house of card was there for all to see......
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Yeah...but one thing if AA close down, I'm sure all of sad la, as no more low cost flights lol.

I remembered I just briefly go through their AR a few years back and the highlights were all negative. I'm shocked at that time knowing that it is a famous airlines but not making any profits for years.

Like what happened?

Then I've just ignored this counter till now, the news of Pn17. Not surprised..
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 14 2022, 06:44 PM)
This is why you have to discard all emotions and opinions and read the report as it is.

No love/hate or fansi stuff.
And discard all hero worship nonsense.

Read the numbers as it is.

The house of card was there for all to see......
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Those details from the report you got, is it their financial report?
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post Jan 15 2022, 03:49 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jan 14 2022, 06:49 PM)
Even now.... what's the future hurdles?

1. The lease liabilities, which runs over 10 billion currently.
2. The insane commitment to buy 100 billion worth of airplanes.
3. The depreciation of leased assets. Yup. It's leased planes has a age factor.
4. Can the shareholder trust the boss not to simply bet on its hedges?
Last but not least covid wasn't the reason why the company is in such a hold. COVID only exposed its failings.
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sell and lease back the fleet was to recoup losses incurred at caterham f1 and qpr venture maximize return on capital return.

100 billions order is typical of flamboyant leader to project a very rosy prospect.

it is normal for airlines to hedge on fuel and forex rate. however, after some initial wins, greed overrode prudency.

guess this is a classic case of 'only after the tide turned would reveal who was swimming naked'.

air asia business is sustainable and financially feasible post covid; believe tf could muster enough backing to revive the operation. whether oren kato politicians allow non to be successful remain uncertain and another matter. believe some wanted malaysia airlines to return to former glory with monopoly.



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