PEPC is funny in a sense that you're testing back the most fundamental stuff that people no longer practice (At least for civil, where the team touches on hydraulic, structural, geotechnical, traffic, etc), since they've specialized into a few core area.

The fundamental exam should be open right after degree, not after you get your PE.

Furthermore, there is no crackdown on people abusing the "engineer" title. I've seen people with no qualification doing the exact design job as those with a recognized degree.

Yet BEM thinks that having a more tiered system will improve the industry.


There are a gazillion shit that is wrong with engineering in Malaysia, yet the governing board just minum kopi and fight with IEM once in a while

I have done my ACCA and no intention to discredit the profession

all engineering > ACCA

Accounting knowledge, standards are set by human being

Engineering somehow need to understand how the universe works eg: what happen if one chemical mix with another chemical

In engineering wrong means wrong, building will collapse, product will fail while accounts wrong can u turn pusing pusing

one wrong won't bring the building down.

Need plenty of wrongs.

Safety Factor is our savior! Combine more factor to have even more robust design. Can't trust the guy doing job on the ground

i agree with you.

i am an engineering GM and i employ accountants. I can do some of their work. Understand the fundamentals of accounting and financials.
But they have no way of understanding fundamental engineering principles.

Exactly! better test the competency of graduates upon graduation, bet most can straight away qualified for Ir minus the experiences which I think is possible judging on how some university lecturers who manage to get Ir title without having practical experiences lol.

BEM is always sleeping when it comes to abuse of engineer title. Seriously even the biggest MNC so called engineers did not registered for BEM & some with management degree given the operation engineer title. lol.

BEM only interested collecting fees.

Many engineering students, in my experience, end up becoming nerds in college. Most can't find girls and end up becoming kuli after graduating. Some become technicians, while others are fortunate enough to work for reputable companies. If they study until they get their PhD, they will already be more nerdy scientists.

Accounting students appear to have a more balanced college experience. After graduation, it is simple to find work and work indoors. Prepare to marry earlier. One of my relatives, who studied chemical engineering until obtaining a PhD, married at a late age. He traveled extensively to increase his salary. It appears to be a difficult job requiring intelligence, hard work, and talent.

Engineering may be more difficult in terms of abstract thinking, but it appears to be a more suitable path for talented individuals to pursue.

one wrong leads to another wrong. consequences

Even becum gangster got chance to earn higher than both when u becum taikor or jual dadah

Don't discredit them for we did not sit & do their job full time, we just have that view we understand the fundamental then we assume its easy and we can do it.
If it's easy why don't we do it ourselves right?

Accountant does wrong will cost the company money also brother.
Don't look down or assume its easy. Each have own roles to play.

BEM is just a glorified board acting as if they're governing the industry.

I think they came up with PEPC just to open up 1st tier PE to boost the number of Ir in the country since we need more qualified engineer. But yet, plenty of Ir with questionable quality in the industry, even within big names consultant. I've bashed plenty of those so-called PE during design review process, and it is fun.

Interview process for PE is also questionable, i know some of the famous PE will fails candidate if they're never involved in big project (What the heck, you're testing technical knowledge, not project experience). Its a fuck-up place to be man.

I've since moved on from this industry tho, hope it will do well for you. At least try to get some recognition, can try ICE (but its expensive as fck) or even IStructE (hard as fck on their exam).

Nerds or not, its the person's personality, nothing to do with their academics.

it is not that simple brader, look at how many building collapses we have (Dont talk about temporary structure as there are tonnes of loophole on that shit and authority is doing absolutely no shit on this issue), those that are within 5 years after the construction period.

Do not mix maintenance and design fault together.

one is about rocket science, another one is about book accounting, I wonder which one is harder

It is not discrediting them. That is not the intent. They have their expertise areas.
i am just pointing out the adaptibility of either profession to each other's expertise.
And i am in a position to share this a engineering GM in my company.

Nah man, I'm done with these BEM Ir stuffs..I'm going to electrical lines, got my 3 phase wireman competency done & next will be chargeman.
Kinda enjoy electrical stuff this past 2 years.

Good that it works out for you eventually. I forsee I might be back to do these tradesman lines after retirement.

Argument invalid, each have their own difficulty.

Tradesman job is hands on and fun personally plus cash term 😂.

This post has been edited by feekle: Jun 6 2021, 10:45 AM

Plus "Karen"

When did BEM go for a tiered system for PEs? Past few years?

I'm on the fence about IRs. If designated by legislation yeah get it. If an engineer thinks it can boost their career, take it. Shouldn't be forced. I see BEM trying to use legislation to increase membership. Not my cup of tea. Plenty of problems young engineers face in Malaysia, one being employability. Solve that first