wow then the 10400f & b560 rm300+ are the king of the budget build now until rocket lake launches. Plus 3200Mhz ram are so cheap now

ikr... how the tables have turned lol. not to mention 10400F is actually faster than 3900x in most gaming titles, and only a little behind 5800x for gaming... and 10400F actually has lower power draw and temps..


really good job with 10400F. Only if theyve allowed B460 to memory OC then things will be great earlier.

I kinda can vouch on the gaming performance as my port royale score and timespy graphic score became higher... RDO at st dennis no longer dip down below 60fps as compared to R3600.

I think because your ram is running at faster speeds too and the 10400f still benefit from that. Is the ram at 1.35 or 1.4v?

1.35v 3600c18.... if 1.4v i can hit 3933c18 on the intel because no IF to kakacaucau on the stability.
But for both ryzen and intel, they are benched with the same ram at 3600mhz. so it’s kinda an equal test.

with unlocked ram the 10400f really does fly haha, it's already worth the price with locked 2666Mhz, way better than the slightly cheaper 3300X in both games and multithreaded scores

but now 10700F is RM1009. it does make one very itchy to go for that instead. with 4.8ghz and 2 more cores... and similar 65w tdp it might slap 5600x even in productivity while costing RM400 cheaper.

I held back my temptation with rocketlake lol.

actually that price is really good, just get a nice B560 board that supports like 150-200 watts pumping the CPU a nice air cooler is enough to keep it at 4.6Ghz all core iinm, and 3200 or 3600mhz ram.

from what i gathered, the crappy stock cooler is enough to keep the 10700F under 90C with avx loads. And for the non K, power is kinda capped at 65w PL1 so most board’s vrm is enough. even H410 boards.

intel’s effeciency under 4.5ghz seems very good. It only starts going out of control after crossing 5ghz.

at 65w the all core boost is a bit low, need to run like 125-150w to at least have high boost clock on all cores, and then a decent even cheap aftermarket air cooler will do. But I have no idea if 10700f is soldered or using normal TIM.

there’s like zero detailed review about the 10700f haha.. apart from some youtube gaming fps figures. But after having this 10400f, I somehow feel the 10700f gonna be some super underated cpu. Which will be kinda putting the rocketlake 11700F in a similar spot..... I’m looking forward to dropping a 11700F next when the price comes down to 1.2k.

can see those 10700 reviews, with power limit unlocked, 25% reduction of time in blender 3d rendering as reference.

yeap i also found some info. seems 160w is enough to let it stay at 4.8ghz constant. That’s about the same power consumption as a 8700K. 65w will be 3.6ghz all core and 125W will be 4.4ghz all core... which explains the 25% difference.

Not bad at all.. a simple RM50 snowman cooler should be able to handle this.

For full speed I'd agree with the 240mm liquid cooler being a minimum, or maybe a really good air cooler. I am no cooler expert. I played with a 10700 with a 120mm Corsair H60 mounted as a rear exhaust. It was a quiet mATX build for my dad, but of course I had to mess with it. That setup would do 185W with the proc at 85C and Noctua fans at 1500rpm. Realistically you can set the 10700 to a bit over 170W and not lose any real world performance unless you have an AVX heavy load. Stress tests with AVX disabled topped out at 4.6GHz on all cores and 170W... or maybe a little less. I only tested in 15W increments. At any rate, 170W or so + a bit extra for some AVX should do it for gaming and most other apps. A 120mm can pull that off with a little too much fan noise, so I'd think a 240mm ought to be ok.

The one I played with ran at 3.3GHz at 65W in a 16 thread Prime95 small FFT stress test with AVX off. With AVX2 enabled it would run at 2.7GHz at 65W. I'm not sure where the 2.9GHz base frequency came from unless the setting on the MSI MAG B460 Mortar WiFi provides more power than it says it does. One thing I didn't try was lowering the power limit below 65W.

25% reduction of time actually means 33% faster performance of the CPU to achieve that haha, remember 50% reduction of time to finish the task means the CPU is double the performance.

Another source I found is:

https://hardforum.com/threads/10700-whats-t...al-tdp.2006876/
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but now 10700F is RM1009. it does make one very itchy to go for that instead. with 4.8ghz and 2 more cores... and similar 65w tdp it might slap 5600x even in productivity while costing RM400 cheaper.

I held back my temptation with rocketlake lol.

wah where to find that price? can only buy 3600 at 999. no brainer if pair with b560 later.

The 3600 used to be priced quite competitively, but the issue is low supply + high demand = skyrocketing prices

Exactly. Back then Intel i5-9400 with or 9600K really can't fight value of R5 3600 + B450 motherboard.
Anyway, whatever it turn out, Intel AMD and Nvidia are all laughing to the bank these two years.

my years with intel never have issues with whea bsod unlike AMD which need to update bios every 1-3 months and update chipset drivers to hopefully solve the issue.

My personal issue with Ryzen was audio stuttering, gpu pcie stuck at 8x when using B450, random bsod, and randomly crashing... it can be stable for months or it can crash multiple times a day, it can crash during heavy load or when idling doing nothing at all..  just random

already rma the ryzen cpu and changed mobo from B450 to B550, ram, psu also all changed and it doesnt solve the problem. So I narrow down it’s agesa’s problem. That’s why i sold my AMD rig and bought intel 10400F. And I have been stress testing the 10400F since Monday round the clock to make sure it will not have all the rubbish like the ryzen.

At least i know how to tweak a PC.. And I just refuse to run lower than stock settings because that is what i paid for. This is a case of AMD giving unreachable claims and their terrible ram and driver compatibility.

Also especially irritated on the thing that many will say.. why dont I get samsung bdie or hynix C or micron E..... why would I spend RM800 and to hunt on a specific DDR4 die where by it should be stable with any stick as long as it’s a DDR4.

Intel no better? My bootcamp intel macbook pro has not been shutdown/restarted for 2 years because i disabled auto update... that is what i call stable.

This is a case of AMD giving unreachable claims and their terrible ram and driver compatibility.

Exactly. Back then Intel i5-9400 with or 9600K really can't fight value of R5 3600 + B450 motherboard.
Anyway, whatever it turn out, Intel AMD and Nvidia are all laughing to the bank these two years.

we also get better CPU so it's win win