QUOTE(Ebony & Ivory @ Feb 20 2021, 12:22 AM)
Zen 4/Alder Lake/Xe discrete GPU could be something very interesting indeed This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Feb 20 2021, 12:23 AM
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Feb 20 2021, 12:26 AM
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 20 2021, 12:26 AM) To be fair though, Zen 2/3 CPUs are known to use its thermal headroom very aggressively, and not to mention the thermal density of 7nm isn't helping much either which is kinda my point. Intel is not a hot chip despite the tdp/power draw... and is not lacking that much behind in performance especially if you compare 3600 to 10400F and to make it worse for AMD now, 10600KF is the same price as 3600 now after the price slash by intel and inflation by AMD based on MSRP and if you include scalper then it makes intel cheaper... and worse yet, 10700K is now cheaper than the 5600X. After tweaking my fan to be slightly more aggressive on my 120mm aio because they also act as an exhaust fan... my 10400F gaming temps is now a whopping 45C average. Damn this 10400F really runs cold.... so wish that it is unlocked. |
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Feb 20 2021, 12:51 AM) which is kinda my point. Intel is not a hot chip despite the tdp/power draw... and is not lacking that much behind in performance especially if you compare 3600 to 10400F and to make it worse for AMD now, 10600KF is the same price as 3600 now after the price slash by intel and inflation by AMD based on MSRP and if you include scalper then it makes intel cheaper... and worse yet, 10700K is now cheaper than the 5600X. Yeah, but too bad Z490 boards are overpriced compared to B550 After tweaking my fan to be slightly more aggressive on my 120mm aio because they also act as an exhaust fan... my 10400F gaming temps is now a whopping 45C average. Damn this 10400F really runs cold.... so wish that it is unlocked. Let's just hope that B560 boards are fairly priced |
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Feb 20 2021, 01:47 AM
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 20 2021, 01:31 AM) Yeah, but too bad Z490 boards are overpriced compared to B550 hmmmm not really. there’s z490M that is rm600-800 but is obviously not suitable for 10900K but 10700K is fine. Let's just hope that B560 boards are fairly priced then in the itx department, a decent B550 is RM900-1.3k. While an insanely speced z490 is around 1.2k-1.3k. and z590 stock already arrived at 1.34k but not for sale yet in lowyat. Plus dont forget a decent z490 board is very capable to get a 10900k to 5.3ghz and memory to 4000, and it also has rocketlake and pcie gen4 support. Z490 also have generally better vrm than B550. The only board that makes ryzen reasonable now is B450, but i had a pretty bad experience on the compatibility, especially in the entire ITX lineup with zen2. And wont give much hope with zen3 especially since most of them have very weak vrm and memory circuit. This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 20 2021, 01:58 AM |
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Feb 20 2021, 01:47 AM) hmmmm not really. there’s z490M that is rm600-800 but is obviously not suitable for 10900K but 10700K is fine. Too bad there's very little decent Z490M boards out there, at least in our market then in the itx department, a decent B550 is RM900-1.3k. While an insanely speced z490 is around 1.2k-1.3k. and z590 stock already arrived at 1.34k but not for sale yet in lowyat. Plus dont forget a decent z490 board is very capable, and it also has rocketlake and pcie gen4 support. The only reason that makes ryzen reasonable now is B450, but i had a pretty bad experience on the compatibility, especially in the entire ITX lineup. Seems like mATX is a forgotten form factor for many people out there QUOTE pcie gen4 support. IINM some Z490 boards (especially from ASUS) doesn't support PCIe 4.0 due to lack of PCIe 4.0 capable hardware on the motherboard itself? Correct me if I'm wrong though This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Feb 20 2021, 01:56 AM |
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 20 2021, 01:55 AM) Too bad there's very little decent Z490M boards out there, at least in our market A shopee search and you will get plenty of it. There’s actually a pretty high availability for budget z490 atx and matx boards. And what you mean not decent....they are all more than capable of running 10700K and borderline stock 10900K . It’s the same as you wont be running a Ryzen 5900X in a RM800 B550 board as well. Seems like mATX is a forgotten form factor for many people out there IINM some Z490 boards (especially from ASUS) doesn't support PCIe 4.0 due to lack of PCIe 4.0 capable hardware on the motherboard itself? Correct me if I'm wrong though So if you plan to get a 10700F, these budget z490 are more than enough for your extra Ram OC. yes not all z490 has gen4 so just check on the spec. but most at RM1k will have it, mine included. I bought my MSI Z490i Unify for RM1.1k... so it’s a total of 1.7k with the RM600~ 10400F. It’s actually cheaper than a 3600+B550i auros pro AX on the price list (msi and asus B550 itx cost more than z490) , and you can buy intel without bundle. AMD all must buy full pc bundle now or pay at least RM300 extra to scalpers. |
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 20 2021, 12:20 AM) If and only if Intel allowed memory overclocking on B460, but too bad they just turned down a lot of potential customers due to Intel wanting those customers to go for Z490 boards (which doesn't make sense considering a decent Z490 board costs more than the CPU itself) Because typical intel lansi attitude. They got no one to blame but themselves for people defecting to AMD.The value prospect of the 10400F (or those F series chips) would have been so much better had Intel didn't artificially segment their products in an attempt to upsell customers (same goes to other features, like ECC memory) Ryzen wouldn't have been where they are today if Intel did; - 7th gen didn't get rebadged as 6th gen, sold again for the same price (or higher depends how you look at it) - 8th gen started using solder on IHS instead of milking it for 9th gen - 9th gen having the core count of 10th gen - Coffee Lake was a pointless existence especially when it costs more than Zen 2 - 10th gen actually being Rocket Lake instead Skylake isn't bad. They just presented and sold it wrongly. This post has been edited by SSJBen: Feb 20 2021, 02:09 AM |
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Feb 20 2021, 02:07 AM) Because typical intel lansi attitude. They got no one to blame but themselves for people defecting to AMD. I guess im the odd one who defected to intel after using AMD for more than a year. Ryzen wouldn't have been where they are today if Intel did; - 7th gen didn't rebadged 6th gen, sold again for the same price (or higher depends how you look at it) - 8th gen started using solder on IHS instead of milking it for 9th gen - 9th gen having the core count of 10th gen - Coffee Lake was a pointless existence - 10th gen actually being Rocket Lake instead Skylake isn't bad. They just presented and sold it wrongly. I was actually secretly an AMD’s fan boy all the time since athlon64 vs pentium4 and later phenoms and I finally joined the ryzen bandwagon again because it seems promising just to end up getting Royally Fked by AMD with their misleading specs, Unreachable claims and Bullshit parts and software compatibility requirements. And i feel very guilty now for recommending a batch of AMD machine to a friend’s office who has zero tech knowledge which is also showing signs of WHEA errors. I can only tell her to restart machine whenever it happens. This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 20 2021, 02:22 AM |
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Feb 20 2021, 02:07 AM) Because typical intel lansi attitude. They got no one to blame but themselves for people defecting to AMD. You almost forgot:Ryzen wouldn't have been where they are today if Intel did; - 7th gen didn't get rebadged as 6th gen, sold again for the same price (or higher depends how you look at it) - 8th gen started using solder on IHS instead of milking it for 9th gen - 9th gen having the core count of 10th gen - Coffee Lake was a pointless existence especially when it costs more than Zen 2 - 10th gen actually being Rocket Lake instead Skylake isn't bad. They just presented and sold it wrongly. 1. Intel removes hyperthreading from 9th gen Core i7s (which is a staple on Core i7s for many years), and makes this feature only available on Core i9s (nice way to upsell customers) 2. Making NVME RAID a paid option (via dongle, and hardware DLC anyone?) on X299 platforms, which is quite unacceptable considering how expensive X299 is |
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Feb 20 2021, 02:14 AM) I guess im the odd one who defected to intel after using AMD for more than a year. I was actually secretly an AMD’s fan boy all the time since athlon64 vs pentium4 and later phenoms and I finally joined the ryzen bandwagon again because it seems promising just to end up getting Royally Fked by AMD with their misleading specs, Unreachable claims and Bullshit parts and software compatibility requirements. And i feel very guilty now for recommending a batch of AMD machine to a friend’s office who has zero tech knowledge which is also showing signs of WHEA errors. I can only tell her to restart machine whenever it happens. QUOTE misleading specs, Unreachable claims and Bullshit parts and software compatibility requirements. Elaborate on this? IINM Intel is no better though |
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 20 2021, 04:30 AM) my years with intel never have issues with whea bsod unlike AMD which need to update bios every 1-3 months and update chipset drivers to hopefully solve the issue. My personal issue with Ryzen was audio stuttering, gpu pcie stuck at 8x when using B450, random bsod, and randomly crashing... it can be stable for months or it can crash multiple times a day, it can crash during heavy load or when idling doing nothing at all.. just random already rma the ryzen cpu and changed mobo from B450 to B550, ram, psu also all changed and it doesnt solve the problem. So I narrow down it’s agesa’s problem. That’s why i sold my AMD rig and bought intel 10400F. And I have been stress testing the 10400F since Monday round the clock to make sure it will not have all the rubbish like the ryzen. At least i know how to tweak a PC.. And I just refuse to run lower than stock settings because that is what i paid for. This is a case of AMD giving unreachable claims and their terrible ram and driver compatibility. Also especially irritated on the thing that many will say.. why dont I get samsung bdie or hynix C or micron E..... why would I spend RM800 and to hunt on a specific DDR4 die where by it should be stable with any stick as long as it’s a DDR4. Intel no better? My bootcamp intel macbook pro has not been shutdown/restarted for 2 years because i disabled auto update... that is what i call stable. This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 20 2021, 05:27 AM |
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Feb 20 2021, 02:14 AM) I guess im the odd one who defected to intel after using AMD for more than a year. When i knew about this I felt guilty recommending it to my cousin and friends. Luckily for me, my cousin's 3600 system has no issues, and my friend haven't bought a new pc yet.I was actually secretly an AMD’s fan boy all the time since athlon64 vs pentium4 and later phenoms and I finally joined the ryzen bandwagon again because it seems promising just to end up getting Royally Fked by AMD with their misleading specs, Unreachable claims and Bullshit parts and software compatibility requirements. And i feel very guilty now for recommending a batch of AMD machine to a friend’s office who has zero tech knowledge which is also showing signs of WHEA errors. I can only tell her to restart machine whenever it happens. |
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Feb 20 2021, 09:40 AM
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budget B560M. that's cheaper than i thought
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Feb 20 2021, 09:59 AM
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b560 motherboard is not budget at all
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Feb 20 2021, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Feb 20 2021, 10:31 AM) hmm with b560 and 10th gen non K rocket lake cpu, still locked to 2666Mhz or not? If not 3600 dead now, and need to release 5600 fastThe 3600 still needs an aftermarket cooler and a motherboard haha. This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 20 2021, 10:38 AM |
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 20 2021, 10:37 AM) hmm with b560 and 10th gen non K rocket lake cpu, still locked to 2666Mhz or not? If not 3600 dead now, and need to release 5600 fast nop, can oc the ram just like on the z490. just the cpu multiplier option will be capped at 43.The 3600 still needs an aftermarket cooler and a motherboard haha. |
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Feb 20 2021, 10:49 AM) wow then the 10400f & b560 rm300+ are the king of the budget build now until rocket lake launches. Plus 3200Mhz ram are so cheap nowThis post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 20 2021, 10:51 AM |
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