well to be fair, Z490 is meant to compete with X570... and you know their pricing, so z490 is actually rather decent for being 200+ more than a B550 especially those with equivalent VRMs and features.... not to mention Z490 supports gen4, just not on cometlake...

also the cheaper RM600+ z490M with weaker vrm however is more than enough for 10400F and 10700F... just dont expect to run an overclocked 10900K on them (stock is actually fine).

those black coolers only have a copper core which is kinda like the pathetic thinner version of those good ol core 2 quad stock coolers... Expect it to perform just about as good as a wraith stealth which is heaver in weight... but that is already enough to keep the 10700F at about 75-80C... meanwhile a 3600 will thermal throttle 90+C with a wraith stealth.

Zen2/3 vs Intel w.r.t. cooling reminds me a lot of Sandy vs Ivy Bridge - Sandy consumes a lot more power and yet so much easier to cool on air. Even when delidded and IHS to CPU die interface is replaced with LM, it doesn't catch up all the way. The smaller, more compact die can't transfer heat out fast enough. This is why I feel AMD needs to revert to monolithic for 8 or less core CPUs next gen - but who am I kidding, the chiplet design is what allows them to do more binning so their core counts trump Intel in HEDT/servers at less than half the price, and they'll continue to do so next gen for sure.

At last at last, a dedicated Intel thread.

10700k/kf doesn't require extreme cooling.

It was 1-2 weeks before the price getting ridiculous. Got my MSI Ventus 2X 3070 for the base msrp of RM2399. At that same time I could have bought Galax 3080 for RM3569 and PNY 3080 for 3600+ without bundle, there was igame too for around RM3500-3700 on the two different models, and 3090s around 7300-8400

10900K user reporting in.

the Rocket lake 4400Mhz ram is it a big difference in performance vs 3200mhz?

Depends what you define as "big". Big enough to notice? Somewhat but not big enough to call 4400mhz a must have.

will be quite obvious in gaming.. for my 10400F 2666 to 3600mhz, it’s around 10-15% fps increase depending on title... especially the minimum fps which will matter quite alot.

that's because you're from <3000mhz to >3000mhz, that's where the significant difference are, but once you go above 3200mhz, you already reached the point of diminishing returns

I think that is more applicable on ryzen which is reliant to the IF clock ratio. Intel kinda scales better with faster kits thus even 3200mhz to 3600mhz is also quite noticeable on intel... the diminishing returns is more on the cost rather than clock vs performance.... well I could be wrong as i've just started messing with the newer gen intels and just purely based on observation from my ram sticks 2666>3200(xmp)>3600mhz(OC 1.35v)

But if you could get it for free through overclocking then it's really worth the shot trying to hit 4400mhz... provided you could keep the ram cool/stable.

because I remembered 10900k with very high speed RAM can trade blows with zen 3 with the same high speed rams. Way beyond the performance of 3200mhz ram on those systems.

I think on 8700k oced the gaming fps can be like 5% too. So for rocket lake maybe it'll be more noticeable? I saw those ram have prices like ~RM750 for 4400Mhz CL19 8GB x2 sets

This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 19 2021, 04:07 PM

still will get some gains in performance, just it's truly diminishing compared to the jump you get from <3000mhz to >3000mhz
i believe 4400mhz will improve some, but like what SSJBen said, is it "big" enough?
but if can afford it, why not

ts should change name to HYPErThread

yeap, which is why ctsk1 has been saying B560 +11700F (nonK) will be the deal of 2021... just because of the performance gain that can be had from memory scaling.

Just grab a decent 3200mhz stick with decent heatsinks and OC it... it' feels way easier to achieve on intel than AMD .. I got mine to 3933c18 but it needs 1.4v so I dropped it down to 3600c18 1.35v as I wanna keep it at 1.35v.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 19 2021, 04:27 PM

what ram is that and how much did you paid for it?

team vulcanZ 3200cl16 16gbX2... you wont believe it.. i got it around 120sgd. Had used it since these times lol

Yeah, Zen 2/3 ironically becomes a victim of its own success, although to be fair to AMD the current pandemic isn't helping much either

There's also the demand of those Zen 2/3 chips, where they outsell Intel significantly in some markets, even with one of the worst value CPU (the 3600XT):
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ryzen-5-5600X...y.506725.0.html

Intel's relationship with OEMs and their finances allow them to flood the market with lots of cheap chips isn't helping AMD as well:
https://www.techpowerup.com/278073/despite-...ktop-and-mobile
https://www.techpowerup.com/278430/intel-ap...market-from-amd

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Feb 20 2021, 12:33 AM

The 3600 used to be priced quite competitively, but the issue is low supply + high demand = skyrocketing prices

If and only if Intel allowed memory overclocking on B460, but too bad they just turned down a lot of potential customers due to Intel wanting those customers to go for Z490 boards (which doesn't make sense considering a decent Z490 board costs more than the CPU itself)

The value prospect of the 10400F (or those F series chips) would have been so much better had Intel didn't artificially segment their products in an attempt to upsell customers (same goes to other features, like ECC memory)

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Feb 20 2021, 12:27 AM

competition is always good for consumers, can't wait to see what Intel can offer with Alder Lake.