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post Sep 12 2024, 10:12 PM

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Guys should I buy a new intel chip now? Or need wait ; I.e new models coming up

What’s the most reliable for gaming nowadays? And which mobo to power with..

99% going to run on stock… so generic / base mobo would do
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post Sep 12 2024, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Sep 12 2024, 10:12 PM)
Guys should I buy a new intel chip now? Or need wait ; I.e new models coming up

What’s the most reliable for gaming nowadays? And which mobo to power with..

99% going to run on stock… so generic / base mobo would do
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Arrow Lake coming out next month if you can wait.
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post Sep 13 2024, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Sep 12 2024, 10:22 PM)
Arrow Lake coming out next month if you can wait.
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thanks... most likely can wait.. just my PC kept randomly crash .. first the video will go out.. but sound etc will still be there.. after 10sec it crash

Ill try open my GPU and repaste thermal.. haven't done so since bought (2021)

thinking replacing the whole PC set
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post Oct 5 2024, 08:41 PM

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https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/4/24262287...-root-cause-fix

Intel says its Raptor Lake crashing chip nightmare is over
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post Oct 11 2024, 09:20 AM

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Intel has officially announced the release timeline for the Core Ultra 200 series. The formal introduction of the new processors is today October 10th, coinciding with the unveiling of Intel’s new desktop platform featuring the LGA-1851 socket, which replaces the previous LGA-1700 series after three years of use. The market launch of the Core Ultra 200 series is planned for October 24th, thus two weeks after today, aligning with the release of media reviews, this website included.

https://www.guru3d.com/review/intel-announc...rrow-lake-cpus/
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post Oct 11 2024, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Oct 11 2024, 09:20 AM)
Available in October 24th

Intel has officially announced the release timeline for the Core Ultra 200 series. The formal introduction of the new processors is today October 10th, coinciding with the unveiling of Intel’s new desktop platform featuring the LGA-1851 socket, which replaces the previous LGA-1700 series after three years of use. The market launch of the Core Ultra 200 series is planned for October 24th, thus two weeks after today, aligning with the release of media reviews, this website included.

https://www.guru3d.com/review/intel-announc...rrow-lake-cpus/
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AMD has moved onto 16 Big Pcores and rumours that 99x0X3D will get Vcache on both CCD, yet Intel still remain 8 Pcores and only increasing the ShitEcores. When will they understand 16 or 24 or 32 or whatever Ecores is useless for games and most apps? Intel been stuck on 8 Pcores since Cometlake like 5 Generations ago!

Moving to chiplet should make it easy to scale up to 10 or 12 Pcores but Intel would rather keep this segment for overpriced Xeon.
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post Oct 12 2024, 09:12 AM

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Slower than 7800X3D for gaming. DOA for gamers lmao.

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https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-980...-about-5-slower

New architecture, new process node based on TSMC N3B for the compute tile, this is what you'd normally consider a massive tock, and they can't even beat the 7800X3D which is about to be superseded by the 9800X3D by early November.

It's a fucking disaster for Intel imo lol.

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post Oct 25 2024, 08:13 AM

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As previously alluded to in my post before this one, Arrow Lake is a disaster for gaming rclxms.gif



And here's the money shot, absolutely bottom tier performance in Cyberpunk 2077 kekw rclxm9.gif

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AMD has carte blanche to sell the 9800X3D for 500++ USD and get away with it now, heck the 7800X3Ds are already going for at least 450 to 480 USD if you can even find them. They are mostly out of stock already lol.

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post Oct 25 2024, 09:10 AM

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it is just sad that intel did not provide a good cpu this generation to compete with AMD. the pricing for the new 9800x3d must be through the roof later.

What cpu to upgrade to now?
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post Oct 25 2024, 10:19 AM

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gg on 9000x3d prices later

and wonder if amd will fix and properly release 9900x3d and 9950x3d too, because 7800x3d was the best gaming cpu but it is horrible for productivity.

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Oct 25 2024, 10:19 AM)
gg on 9000x3d prices later

and wonder if amd will fix and properly release 9900x3d and 9950x3d too, because 7800x3d was the best gaming cpu but it is horrible for productivity.
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I won't say horrible la, price to performance compared to 7700X for example it's just slightly behind.

Also I won't say it's the best gaming CPU but definitely it's best at pushing FPS and also disrupting AMD's own sales of many models.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 25 2024, 10:26 AM)
I won't say horrible la, price to performance compared to 7700X for example it's just slightly behind.

Also I won't say it's the best gaming CPU but definitely it's best at pushing FPS and also disrupting AMD's own sales of many models.
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It is really horrible, multithreaded performance is slightly better than 14400f, that is rm735 while 7800x3d is like rm1900. The best balanced cpu is still intel but the k series 14th gen is plagued with the instability issues.

AMD really you have to pick between non x3d and x3d. That's why I said hopefully 7900x3d and 7950x3d can do well gaming vs 7800x3d so we can have a cpu that is good at both.
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285k min fps is 24fps in Guardians of the Galaxy.

That's slower than a PoS4 and xbone running the same game. I thought this was an error because this review from OC3D was leaked early, but turns out it's not.

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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ Oct 25 2024, 09:10 AM)
it is just sad that intel did not provide a good cpu this generation to compete with AMD. the pricing for the new 9800x3d must be through the roof later.

What cpu to upgrade to now?
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waiting for Bartlett Lake tongue.gif
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post Oct 26 2024, 06:37 AM

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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ Oct 25 2024, 09:10 AM)
it is just sad that intel did not provide a good cpu this generation to compete with AMD. the pricing for the new 9800x3d must be through the roof later.

What cpu to upgrade to now?
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7800X3D or Intel's 12th Gen icon_idea.gif
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post Oct 26 2024, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Oct 25 2024, 05:46 PM)
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285k min fps is 24fps in Guardians of the Galaxy.

That's slower than a PoS4 and xbone running the same game. I thought this was an error because this review from OC3D was leaked early, but turns out it's not.
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Looks like some kind of scheduling issues perhaps? The 9600X seems to exhibit something similar sweat.gif
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post Oct 26 2024, 06:49 AM

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QUOTE(solarmystic @ Oct 25 2024, 08:13 AM)
As previously alluded to in my post before this one, Arrow Lake is a disaster for gaming  rclxms.gif



And here's the money shot, absolutely bottom tier performance in Cyberpunk 2077 kekw  rclxm9.gif

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AMD has carte blanche to sell the 9800X3D for 500++ USD and get away with it now, heck the 7800X3Ds are already going for at least 450 to 480 USD if you can even find them. They are mostly out of stock already lol.
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Arrow Lake in a nutshell:

1. Poor gaming performance, even compared to the 5700/5800X3D (the latter is on a much cheaper platform)
2. Not very efficient
3. High prices, especially cost of entry to the platform
4. No or very little upgrade path for future CPUs
5. Requires very expensive RAM (DDR5 7200/8200) to perform adequately
6. Despite being made on a superior process node (TSMC N3) and is several nodes ahead of Intel's 10nm it has little improvements in performance and efficiency
7. Potential stability issues
8. Made using very expensive tech like Foveros, which renders price cuts very difficult

The only saving grace? Its iGPU, but that's a moot point if you are looking for iGPU performance sweat.gif

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post Oct 26 2024, 11:32 AM

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Just wait for next gen. This is like Zen 1. And last minute cancellation of 20A screws Intel over. Not enough testing on TSMC chips.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Oct 26 2024, 11:32 AM)
Just wait for next gen. This is like Zen 1. And last minute cancellation of 20A screws Intel over. Not enough testing on TSMC chips.
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Zen 1 or the new Rocket Lake? You decide icon_idea.gif

But yeah, it seems like Intel is in big trouble if 18A is a flop sweat.gif

It's also worth noting that Nova Lake isn't arriving any time soon for the next 2 years sweat.gif

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Oct 26 2024, 12:49 PM)
Zen 1 or the new Rocket Lake?  You decide icon_idea.gif

But yeah, it seems like Intel is in big trouble if 18A is a flop sweat.gif

It's also worth noting that Nova Lake isn't arriving any time soon for the next 2 years sweat.gif
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