Very nice summary, imo points 3 to 5 are what seal its fate to me.

ARL-S being made on a cutting edge and expensive TSMC process meant that they couldn't even price the damn line up competitively versus AMD's current available line up and their own current products. There is no bang for buck to be had here in addition to the mediocre non production performance.

DDR5 7200++ is still very expensive and ARL needs that as a minimum which is a non-starter for most since AMD's AM5 products can make do with much cheaper DDR5 6000 sweetspot RAM for best performance.

Alsp, what's the point of going all in on an expensive new platform when you don't even have the firm prospect of more than one generation on it?

AMD has already promised its clients that AM5 will be supported until 2027-2028 at the very least, so should get one more generation after Zen 5, and given that AM4 is STILL getting new products to this day, SEVEN years after Zen 1 came out, I believe them.

This post has been edited by solarmystic: Oct 26 2024, 01:45 PM

Seems like Intel is going all in for 18A

I hope no more screwups. I feel like they are rushing too fast. Should not have cancelled 20A because I think Arrow Lake is tuned for it.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Oct 26 2024, 02:32 PM

Yup yup.

It's unfortunate because Lunar Lake is performing very well and is very efficient, much more than AMD's mobile offerings. Too bad the same can't be said for ARL-S.

Btw AM5 being supported until 27/28 does not mean that Zen 6 will be released on it. AMD is doing a major redesign for Zen 6, fixing many of the major flaws (namely the IO die) released Zens so far. They might actually need an entirely new socket for that.


Not seems like, they were already all-in on 18A since the beginning of the year:
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/intel...its-18a-process
https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-rele...er-to-employees

ARL-S is a product he probably didn't want to release but couldn't back out of due to revenue issues. They HAVE to sell it, even if it sucks. This was a similar situation AMD had with their infamous Bulldozer, Piledriver, Excavator - FX gen CPUs, of course AMD was in a much worse shape than Intel currently is in now as they were damn near bankrupt.

Right now they have to make sure their foundry for 18A does not fuck up in the next 6 months. Panther Lake next year is a very huge deal for them.

Howdy, been away for quite some time. It's not that bad lar. Raptors are brute force performance at a cost. This time Gen, the focus of arrows are different. So ppl might not used to it yet. seen a lot bashing elsewhere.that kind of stuff when ppl see Ryzen 9xxx Vs 7xxx performance.
Gotten one Arrow myself to see how good (bad) it is. Haven't play with it yet.

Like in any other major changes, always go for 2nd gen evolution. ARL like Ryzen 1xxx can be quite poor as Intel works out the weaknesses in chiplet tech.

ETAPrime tested the iGPU of the 285k and it's pretty impressive even with XeCore gen 1.

The nice thing is the i5 245k have almost the exact iGPU configuration with 1.9Ghz vs 2Ghz on 285k.

So if the base locked i5 also have around the same iGPU config, it would be a great CPU for GPUless mini rig when it's price fell to rm500-600 in the future.

why so slow





This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Oct 28 2024, 09:13 PM

maybe after some update down the road will get better performance?

Probably, but don't expect any miracles from it

A somewhat more positive review of the 285K:

Well looks like LNL is an one off it seems:
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-panther-l...future-products

For me, the whole Arrow Lake launch looks like they're attempting at a complete reset of performance expectations; it's quite obvious they have pushed ADL too much to the point it practically breaks the silicon itself
Let just hope they can compete from an architectural standpoint instead of pushing clocks and powers to unsustainable heights

That 1% lows though

I think Arrow Lake originally designed for 20A. 20A cancelled on September screwed them over. Not enough time to adapt and test on TSMC chips.

Yes, signs of Broadwell - which could've made Intel the leader in 3D-vcache tech today ironically instead of AMD.

Removing on memory package just means that "hey OEMs, you go deal with the memory it ain't our problem". Technically this is less cost and theoretically less problems, but it doesn't shine a nice light on Intel to be frank.

...and Optane too
I don't know why Intel likes to kill off their best products? They have a lot of products that could really put Intel (and x86 in general) to new heights, and yet Intel tends to kill them simply because 'it doesn't make us money'

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Nov 3 2024, 06:53 AM

The IMC location is also one of the reasons why it also has poor gaming performance too

Don't think Intel can price it that cheap when you consider TSMC wafer prices

Then up till now ,which one should get ? gen 13/14 got issue even with micro code.gen 12 outdated with 1700 socket.
New core ultra all expensive , need new motherboard and ddr5.

Which to choose ? will 1851 socket only 1 generation and get discard ?

Any info on Bartlett Lake P-cores ?

If your just gaming, 9800X3D is coming to Msia within this or next mth.