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onthefly
post Jul 29 2021, 02:11 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 28 2021, 10:06 AM)
With the medical inflation @ 12% - 15% per annum. Your "hope" will quickly turn into a nightmare if you think the top-up is not necessary. Do you think the return of "2% - 5%" per annum can overcome that inflation?

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medical inflation is in double digit and if you say return investment fund is only 2-5%, like this sure need to topup premium

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post Jul 29 2021, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(jayreekazin @ Jul 29 2021, 01:57 AM)
I also did a comparison of PRUmillionMed and Allianz Medisafe Infinite with deductible last month. In the end I chose Allianz because terms seem more favourable imo. Eg longer pre & post hospitalisation coverage, include genomic testing, etc. There is also a โ€œno claims refundโ€ to cash value which i find it useful if you are generally healthy. Especially when you are older next time, the cash refund (based on coi) will be greater if assume no claims. These were the plus points that made me decide AZ over Pru. Personally, i feel my agent is quite good. Can intro to you if you want. Hope it helps.
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Thanks for sharing, don't mind to ask if you're your agent's Friends of allianz trying to earn 50% commission? ๐Ÿ˜‰

QUOTE(onthefly @ Jul 29 2021, 02:11 AM)
medical inflation is in double digit and if you say return investment fund is only 2-5%, like this sure need to topup premium
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You can feel free to refer back to your policy on the projected return on the funds performances whether its between 2% - 5%
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post Jul 29 2021, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 29 2021, 09:13 AM)
Thanks for sharing, don't mind to ask if you're your agent's Friends of allianz trying to earn 50% commission? ๐Ÿ˜‰
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LOL. Opps?
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post Jul 29 2021, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 29 2021, 09:13 AM)
Thanks for sharing, don't mind to ask if you're your agent's Friends of allianz trying to earn 50% commission? ๐Ÿ˜‰
You can feel free to refer back to your policy on the projected return on the funds performances whether its between 2% - 5%
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Yes now allianz have a friend of allianz program to earn 50% of agents commission. But i also bought for my parents and child insurance from AZ before the FoA program was launched. Why i say my agent is good because she does not just try to push sales to me, and try to cater to my needs instead (i get annoyed with pushy people). The FoA is just a bonus income during this hard times ๐Ÿ˜‚
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post Jul 29 2021, 11:41 AM

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Hi sifu all, I need some advice. I plan to get a life insurance for 500k to cover for my housing loan MRTA. One AIA has quote me to pay around 492+ for an investment link life insurance for 20 years. It is worth it for me paying for 20 years? 500 per month for 20 years.. the agent told me that i can take out the money anytime if i need it.. not sure how true it is. Mind to advice. Serious yea thanks
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post Jul 29 2021, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(jayreekazin @ Jul 29 2021, 11:34 AM)
Yes now allianz have a friend of allianz program to earn 50% of agents commission. But i also bought for my parents and child insurance from AZ before the FoA program was launched. Why i say my agent is good because she does not just try to push sales to me, and try to cater to my needs instead (i get annoyed with pushy people). The FoA is just a bonus income during this hard times ๐Ÿ˜‚
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biggrin.gif guess I caught ya red-handed tongue.gif.

That being said, there is enough Allianz representative in here including myself.

QUOTE(blabla987 @ Jul 29 2021, 11:41 AM)
Hi sifu all, I need some advice. I plan to get a life insurance for 500k to cover for my housing loan MRTA. One AIA has quote me to pay around 492+ for an investment link life insurance for 20 years. It is worth it for me paying for 20 years? 500 per month for 20 years.. the agent told me that i can take out the money anytime if i need it.. not sure how true it is. Mind to advice. Serious yea thanks
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Do you want to pay off your insurance in 20 years time ?

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post Jul 29 2021, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 29 2021, 11:44 AM)
biggrin.gif guess I caught ya red-handed tongue.gif.

That being said, there is enough Allianz representative in here including myself.
Do you want to pay off your insurance in 20 years time ?
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thats why i not sure.. the agent gave me a chart 10 years 20 years and up to 70.. then 70 years she say returns is lower.. 10 years is the best.. but very expensive.. i never have any life insurance so i am not sure about this
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post Jul 29 2021, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(blabla987 @ Jul 29 2021, 11:45 AM)
thats why i not sure.. the agent gave me a chart 10 years 20 years and up to 70.. then 70 years she say returns is lower.. 10 years is the best.. but very expensive.. i never have any life insurance so i am not sure about this
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I can't advise you which to take without first understanding your personal finances background & how you could optimize your insurance planning (since I do not know what you have existing & what sort of other debts you're looking to cover).

If you want, you can always get a second opinion instead of just from one-source which is currently from your agent.
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post Jul 29 2021, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 29 2021, 11:44 AM)
biggrin.gif guess I caught ya red-handed tongue.gif.

That being said, there is enough Allianz representative in here including myself.
Do you want to pay off your insurance in 20 years time ?
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Haha but honestly i dont mind to dont earn that foa commission. It is too little. Say people normally buy insurance at Rm200-300, agent commission is 20% so rm60 a month. Then u share half, so rm30 a month for 12 months. Too much hassle for the small return. Rather let the poor agent earn, they need to earn a living also.

Insurance is a funny thing, most people dont want to spend money on it. But when u need it the most, u cant get it anymore. I was like that also, hesitant to commit myself to insurance, have to pay few hundred each month. If you go to the shop buy cake, u pay money, u bring back a cake. But if u buy insurance, every month u pay money, but u dont bring anything back home. Im still young, but i recently got to know i have early stage cancer. Didnt have any signs or family history. Luckily i have bought mine although it took me a few years to decide. So i would say i have experienced both side and i reiterate, insurance is really important because when u really need it that time, u cant get it anymore.
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post Jul 29 2021, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(jayreekazin @ Jul 29 2021, 12:24 PM)
Haha but honestly i dont mind to dont earn that foa commission.  It is too little. Say people normally buy insurance at Rm200-300, agent commission is 20% so rm60 a month. Then u share half, so rm30 a month for 12 months. Too much hassle for the small return. Rather let the poor agent earn, they need to earn a living also.

Insurance is a funny thing, most people dont want to spend money on it. But when u need it the most, u cant get it anymore. I was like that also, hesitant to commit myself to insurance, have to pay few hundred each month. If you go to the shop buy cake, u pay money, u bring back a cake. But if u buy insurance, every month u pay money, but u dont bring anything back home. Im still young, but i recently got to know i have early stage cancer. Didnt have any signs or family history. Luckily i have bought mine although it took me a few years to decide. So i would say i have experienced both side and i reiterate, insurance is really important because when u really need it that time, u cant get it anymore.
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๐Ÿ‘ Keep creating that awareness on the importance of insurance
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post Jul 29 2021, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(blabla987 @ Jul 29 2021, 11:41 AM)
Hi sifu all, I need some advice. I plan to get a life insurance for 500k to cover for my housing loan MRTA. One AIA has quote me to pay around 492+ for an investment link life insurance for 20 years. It is worth it for me paying for 20 years? 500 per month for 20 years.. the agent told me that i can take out the money anytime if i need it.. not sure how true it is. Mind to advice. Serious yea thanks
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yes...try to get second opinion...maybe from GE , Alianz , Prudential , do some comparison instead of just listen to one AIA agent advise
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post Jul 29 2021, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(blabla987 @ Jul 29 2021, 11:41 AM)
Hi sifu all, I need some advice. I plan to get a life insurance for 500k to cover for my housing loan MRTA. One AIA has quote me to pay around 492+ for an investment link life insurance for 20 years. It is worth it for me paying for 20 years? 500 per month for 20 years.. the agent told me that i can take out the money anytime if i need it.. not sure how true it is. Mind to advice. Serious yea thanks
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Typically, for life insurance I'd reduce the cash value to as low as possible. Indirectly meaning my premium will be lower.

Best,
Jianshesng
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post Jul 29 2021, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Jul 29 2021, 03:49 PM)
Typically, for life insurance I'd reduce the cash value to as low as possible. Indirectly meaning my premium will be lower.

Best,
Jianshesng
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Hi mind to explain more.. sorry i dont understand
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post Jul 29 2021, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(blabla987 @ Jul 29 2021, 03:51 PM)
Hi mind to explain more.. sorry i dont understand
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if it's an ILP then the premium will be split into 2 portion. 1 portion will be used to pay the cost of insurance and the second portion will be invested to ensure your policy is able to sustain for X number of years.

So for example: Let's say RM100/month you can cover RM500k for 20 years, but instead agent quote you RM200/month for the same coverage. In the second scenario, you will have more money in your cash value account. If I were you, I'd go for RM100/month for RM500k for 20 years.

So request for the Sales Illustration from the agent and understand actually where your money is going to. Then you can decide how to proceed from there.

Best,
Jiansheng

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post Jul 29 2021, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Jul 28 2021, 09:53 AM)
You are paying for coverage. In the event that you require the use of the medical card as the TnC of your policy.

You can ignore the sustainability and hope that the market improves however you should also take into account of the increase of costs (if any) that is current factored into the policy sustainability statement provided.
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Jiansheng
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Thanks.

QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 28 2021, 10:06 AM)
You're paying for the coverage & services rendered by the insurance company at the present?

Similar to any goods & services, they're subject to inflation overtime.

You can't expect your favorite chicken rice to cost the same over the next 20 years?
Putting "hope" is one thing.

With the medical inflation @ 12% - 15% per annum. Your "hope" will quickly turn into a nightmare if you think the top-up is not necessary. Do you think the return of "2% - 5%" per annum can overcome that inflation?

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Then 10 years down the road, you would have looked back and said "Now I've wasted 10 years of that time, I have to pay even more for my premium to sustain the policy".

wink.gif up to you on what you want to do with your money.
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Thanks for the advice.

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QUOTE(jayreekazin @ Jul 29 2021, 01:57 AM)
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hi jayreekazin, yes, different companies got its own strength. I believe the agent play an important role here. likely the Allianz agent is better than Pru agent in your case. wink.gif

QUOTE(blabla987 @ Jul 29 2021, 11:41 AM)
Hi sifu all, I need some advice. I plan to get a life insurance for 500k to cover for my housing loan MRTA. One AIA has quote me to pay around 492+ for an investment link life insurance for 20 years. It is worth it for me paying for 20 years? 500 per month for 20 years.. the agent told me that i can take out the money anytime if i need it.. not sure how true it is. Mind to advice. Serious yea thanks
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hi blabla987, btw how long is your housing loan tenure? also what is your occupation, gender, smoker/non smoker, current age? I believe if this insurance policy is only for loan cancellation purpose, you can still go lower premium.
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QUOTE(blabla987 @ Jul 29 2021, 11:41 AM)
Hi sifu all, I need some advice. I plan to get a life insurance for 500k to cover for my housing loan MRTA. One AIA has quote me to pay around 492+ for an investment link life insurance for 20 years. It is worth it for me paying for 20 years? 500 per month for 20 years.. the agent told me that i can take out the money anytime if i need it.. not sure how true it is. Mind to advice. Serious yea thanks
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1. the plan just valid for 20 years or until age 99?
2. do you plan to buy more than 1 house?
if no for 1. and yes for 2. you might want another plan that cover at least 80 years old

Typically a person that bought a house, in next 10 years that fella will buy another, at that time your policy has 10 years left, then you will need to buy another MLTA ( mind you that time you are 10 years older thus your premium will be more expensive)


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post Jul 30 2021, 05:20 PM

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Is tongue tie covered under prenatal insurance?
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post Jul 30 2021, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(prescott2006 @ Jul 30 2021, 05:20 PM)
Is tongue tie covered under prenatal insurance?
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if it is born with, it is not covered by medical card. And if it is not stated as a condition under infant congenital for pre birth, then it is also not covered.

From the 4 companies that offer Prenatal, none seem to have this covered.
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QUOTE(prescott2006 @ Jul 30 2021, 05:20 PM)
Is tongue tie covered under prenatal insurance?
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hi prescott2006, afaik it isn't covered. for the child's tongue tie case, did the doctor advise to do tongue-tie division procedure?

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