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MUM
post Jul 27 2021, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(brando_w @ Jul 27 2021, 08:13 PM)
It has come to my knowledge recently that only AIA covers for hospitalization (medical card) due to ‘Pandemic’, thus any admission due to Covid-19 can be covered by their medical card.

Being a Prudential customer for close to 20 years, am a little disappointed that PMM or PVM does not offer the same benefit; especially when we need it the most.

I understand that one can opt to be treated in private hospitals at present if one is to be unfortunately infected with Covid-19. The cost cost of treatment can run into hundreds of thousands if you’re in the critical stage.

Am looking into taking up AIA’s medical card and eventually disposing off my PRU med cards for the entire family (Will maintain Life, TPD & CI with Pru).

Need some unbiased opinion on this matter.
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hmm.gif what does it actually covers?...the cost of the expenses or just provide some sort of "consolations expenses/benefits"?
and also does this "benefits" has any sort of "coverage effect expiry date" or until total targetted pool of money being used up?


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post Jul 27 2021, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(brando_w @ Jul 27 2021, 08:13 PM)
It has come to my knowledge recently that only AIA covers for hospitalization (medical card) due to ‘Pandemic’, thus any admission due to Covid-19 can be covered by their medical card.

Being a Prudential customer for close to 20 years, am a little disappointed that PMM or PVM does not offer the same benefit; especially when we need it the most.

I understand that one can opt to be treated in private hospitals at present if one is to be unfortunately infected with Covid-19. The cost cost of treatment can run into hundreds of thousands if you’re in the critical stage.

Am looking into taking up AIA’s medical card and eventually disposing off my PRU med cards for the entire family (Will maintain Life, TPD & CI with Pru).

Need some unbiased opinion on this matter.
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laugh.gif cannot simply say inside here, later other insurance agent will come hentam
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post Jul 27 2021, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 27 2021, 08:37 PM)
hmm.gif what does it actually covers?...the cost of the expenses or just provide some sort of "consolations expenses/benefits"?
and also does this "benefits" has any sort of "coverage effect expiry date" or until total targetted pool of money being used up?
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got his from the net,...

AIA MALAYSIA OFFERS TWO FREE COVID-19 COVERAGE TO HELP EASE MALAYSIANS’ CONCERNS
08 June 2021
https://www.aia.com.my/en/about-aia/media-c...s-concerns.html

from this A-Plus Health Medical Protection link
https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/medi...lus-health.html

mentioned,....

EXTENSIVE COVERAGE FOR COVID-19
Under this medical plan, you will receive extensive coverage for COVID-19. If you were to experience any side effects or complications from taking an approved COVID-19 vaccine that requires hospital admission, you will be covered for the cost of your medical treatments. Our COVID-19 coverage also includes hospitalisation in the event you contract COVID-19, whether it is an admission to a government or private hospital, as deemed necessary.

hmm.gif i noted this condition "If you were to experience any side effects or complications from taking an approved COVID-19 vaccine .........."
will it meant non side effect not covered?? biggrin.gif
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post Jul 27 2021, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 27 2021, 08:37 PM)
hmm.gif what does it actually covers?...the cost of the expenses or just provide some sort of "consolations expenses/benefits"?
and also does this "benefits" has any sort of "coverage effect expiry date" or until total targetted pool of money being used up?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 27 2021, 08:53 PM)
got his from the net,...

AIA MALAYSIA OFFERS TWO FREE COVID-19 COVERAGE TO HELP EASE MALAYSIANS’ CONCERNS
08 June 2021
https://www.aia.com.my/en/about-aia/media-c...s-concerns.html

from this A-Plus Health Medical Protection link
https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/medi...lus-health.html

mentioned,....

EXTENSIVE COVERAGE FOR COVID-19
Under this medical plan, you will receive extensive coverage for COVID-19. If you were to experience any side effects or complications from taking an approved COVID-19 vaccine that requires hospital admission, you will be covered for the cost of your medical treatments. Our COVID-19 coverage also includes hospitalisation in the event you contract COVID-19, whether it is an admission to a government or private hospital, as deemed necessary.

hmm.gif i noted this condition "If you were to experience any side effects or complications from taking an approved COVID-19 vaccine .........."
will it meant non side effect not covered??  biggrin.gif
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unfortunately, both explanation is salah
ping325
post Jul 27 2021, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(ckkean @ Jul 27 2021, 04:24 PM)
Hi. I am currently on PRULink Assurance Plan. My monthly payment is around RM 337. I would like to change to a cheaper plan. Is AXA Medical good? Any agent can recommend me?
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since your concern is budget and would like to get a cheaper plan ... which mean lower coverage ...
why not just downgrade your current prudential ? it is not wise to surrender a long committed plan then buy a new plan all over again.
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post Jul 28 2021, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(brando_w @ Jul 27 2021, 08:13 PM)
It has come to my knowledge recently that only AIA covers for hospitalization (medical card) due to ‘Pandemic’, thus any admission due to Covid-19 can be covered by their medical card.

Being a Prudential customer for close to 20 years, am a little disappointed that PMM or PVM does not offer the same benefit; especially when we need it the most.

I understand that one can opt to be treated in private hospitals at present if one is to be unfortunately infected with Covid-19. The cost cost of treatment can run into hundreds of thousands if you’re in the critical stage.

Am looking into taking up AIA’s medical card and eventually disposing off my PRU med cards for the entire family (Will maintain Life, TPD & CI with Pru).

Need some unbiased opinion on this matter.
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Below are some opinion i overheard in points form. Please do correct me.

-The more correct term is communicable disease. Side question - who decide that covid19 is a communicable disease?
-Covid19 patient are been treated at government hospital as they are the expert and also more experienced in handling such situation
-Private hospital has limited space for Pandemic. At the start of pandemic, they would push to government hospital.
-Government hospital fees for covid19 is free or minimal.
-Now that government hospital is overloaded, they start to push to private. And surprised that government will cover some as per link
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...te-hosp/1991546
-Most of insurance company did not cover covid19 is because they do not have enough data & statistics to come out with insurance.
-Logically thinking if a large crowd suddenly claim insurance for covid19, do you think that the insurance fund will drastically decrease and possible that insurance company will ask to increase premium? Insurance company is still a business.
-Insurance companies that did not cover for 'Pandemic' tried to help with very small fund which probably can cover only a handful patients.
-As a consumer, of course cover more, the better.



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post Jul 28 2021, 01:14 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 25 2021, 07:14 PM)
what you're experiencing is normal.

If you don't follow the advise to top up then you'll just have to bear in mind that your insurance policy will end earlier than the original term.
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In that case, what am I paying for every year?


QUOTE(ckdenion @ Jul 26 2021, 10:20 PM)
hi chiayi91, maybe you can elaborate more on "review"? as in is the plan good or not? is the plan suit your needs or not? what your needs are for plans like this?
if just for savings, there are many better ways compared to Great Flexi Wealth. refer to Holocene's options.
hi frankzane, you check is the notification regarding "Policy Sustainability"? if yes, then for investment-linked policies bought before 2020 will receive notification as such possibly to request top up to make sure the policy cover to certain years. wink.gif
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Thanks. Yes, it is the Policy Sustainability. Can I just ignore it and hope the market will improve and so does the insurance sustainability?
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post Jul 28 2021, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jul 28 2021, 01:14 AM)
In that case, what am I paying for every year?
Thanks. Yes, it is the Policy Sustainability. Can I just ignore it and hope the market will improve and so does the insurance sustainability?
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You are paying for coverage. In the event that you require the use of the medical card as the TnC of your policy.

You can ignore the sustainability and hope that the market improves however you should also take into account of the increase of costs (if any) that is current factored into the policy sustainability statement provided.


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post Jul 28 2021, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jul 28 2021, 01:14 AM)
In that case, what am I paying for every year?
Thanks. Yes, it is the Policy Sustainability. Can I just ignore it and hope the market will improve and so does the insurance sustainability?
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In that case, what am I paying for every year?

You're paying for the coverage & services rendered by the insurance company at the present?

Similar to any goods & services, they're subject to inflation overtime.

You can't expect your favorite chicken rice to cost the same over the next 20 years?

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Thanks. Yes, it is the Policy Sustainability. Can I just ignore it and hope the market will improve and so does the insurance sustainability?

Putting "hope" is one thing.

With the medical inflation @ 12% - 15% per annum. Your "hope" will quickly turn into a nightmare if you think the top-up is not necessary. Do you think the return of "2% - 5%" per annum can overcome that inflation?

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Then 10 years down the road, you would have looked back and said "Now I've wasted 10 years of that time, I have to pay even more for my premium to sustain the policy".

wink.gif up to you on what you want to do with your money.
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post Jul 28 2021, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 27 2021, 04:36 PM)
confused.gif too limited details, can't really advise you much

1. If you're paying 337 now, what is consider "cheaper" to you?
2. What sort of benefit are you looking to reduce/maintain from your existing?
3. What sort of benefits are you looking for?
4. Don't have any details of your existing coverage & your personal infos
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I am 40 years old this year this year and my policy rate keep on increasing every year. My policy cover 1 million and inclued savings too, But i am currently facing finacial cirsis as i have to pay for my wife and daughter poilicies too, thats why i am looking lower coverage cheaper alternative. I heard that AXA 3-in-1 policy is below RM200 per month. Is AXA policy easy to claim and reliable?
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post Jul 28 2021, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(ckkean @ Jul 28 2021, 10:59 AM)
I am 40 years old this year this year and my policy rate keep on increasing every year. My policy cover 1 million and inclued savings too, But i am currently facing finacial cirsis as i have to pay for my wife and daughter poilicies too, thats why i am looking lower coverage cheaper alternative. I heard that AXA 3-in-1 policy is below RM200 per month. Is AXA policy easy to claim and reliable?
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just asking,...is this RM200 per month AXA 3-in-1 policy providing the same coverage and same benefits as your current PRULink Assurance Plan that requires monthly payment of around RM 337?
(also how long will this AXA 3-in-1 policy premium gonna stays without increasing?....some may not increase yearly but increases few years once but the quantum of increase each time maybe more than the yearly one...just a thought)

This post has been edited by MUM: Jul 28 2021, 11:07 AM
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post Jul 28 2021, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(ckkean @ Jul 28 2021, 10:59 AM)
I am 40 years old this year this year and my policy rate keep on increasing every year. My policy cover 1 million and inclued savings too, But i am currently facing finacial cirsis as i have to pay for my wife and daughter poilicies too, thats why i am looking lower coverage cheaper alternative. I heard that AXA 3-in-1 policy is below RM200 per month. Is AXA policy easy to claim and reliable?
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indeed many people facing issue like yours during this pandemic.... there are few option instead of surrendering the policy.

1. apply for payment deferment for 3 months
2. apply for premium reduction by downgrading coverage , you can upgrade again in future [ if healthy ]
3. withdraw your investment account cash value for emergency use ; top up back later on when your financial status back to normal

This post has been edited by ping325: Jul 28 2021, 11:32 AM
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post Jul 28 2021, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(ping325 @ Jul 28 2021, 11:07 AM)
indeed many people facing as issue like yours during this pandemic.... there are few option instead of surrendering the policy.

1. apply for payment deferment for 3 months
2. apply for premium reduction by downgrading coverage , you can upgrade again in future [ if healthy ]
3. withdraw your investment account cash value for emergency use ; top up back later on when your financial status back to normal
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just asking for knowledge....on this item 3,.....will interest rate be charged for that withdrawal? if YES, what is the rate pa?
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post Jul 28 2021, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(ckkean @ Jul 28 2021, 10:59 AM)
I am 40 years old this year this year and my policy rate keep on increasing every year. My policy cover 1 million and inclued savings too, But i am currently facing finacial cirsis as i have to pay for my wife and daughter poilicies too, thats why i am looking lower coverage cheaper alternative. I heard that AXA 3-in-1 policy is below RM200 per month. Is AXA policy easy to claim and reliable?
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I see, do take note there is a RM1k deductible.

Coverage offered are on term basis so expect the premium to increase over the years.

But if it meets your "budget", I don't see why not if you've done your homework and explored all avenues. Alternatively if your situation is only temporary and not long term, you can make partial withdrawal from your insurance policy if that is your only "savings" that you have besides your personal savings and FD.

QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 28 2021, 11:11 AM)
just asking for knowledge....on this item 3,.....will interest rate be charged for that withdrawal? if YES, what is the rate pa?
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No interest will be charged when you make partial withdrawal.
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post Jul 28 2021, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 26 2021, 11:07 PM)
Oh ya, if you're focusing into just pure savings, depending on your volume of savings, there are guaranteed 4% fixed interest deposits (renewable every 2 years). If you're willing to put longer term, they could give up to 4.29% ~ 7.89%
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What are the fixed interest deposits you mentioned? so far I see FD highest also 2.5% only.
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post Jul 28 2021, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(chiayi91 @ Jul 28 2021, 12:13 PM)
What are the fixed interest deposits you mentioned? so far I see FD highest also 2.5% only.
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hi chiayi , maybe put it this way / in lay man terms

FD
you set an amount like RM5000 and FD term for 1 year
1.during this one year you can still withdraw 5000 out in case of emergency but all interest gone
2.keep this money for 1 year and you get the interest + your initial 5000 capital

Life insurance savings plan [ regardless of insurance company ]
1. you set an amount to save every month...for example RM50
2. you set a term that you need to commit .... normally 20-30 years [you need to decide duration terms at first ]
3. as long as you continue to save , you can get guaranteed / non guaranteed bonus or interest [whatever that insurance company written in black & white]
Difference here is :
1. if we are diagnose with CI / disabled , savings plan still go on and born by insurance company
*subject to different insurance company terms & condition on covered waiver
2. you can get bonus / interest in between where you can partially withdraw or just keep inside the saving account ,
normally principle money is locked until end of contract only can take out.
3. most of the cases , after you commit the savings plan and in between if you want to withdraw principle money is not allow,
if you fail to save / surrender halfway, your principle $$ / portion of it will gone depend on insurer T&C written.

Same goes with EPF , PRS , SSPN and so on ... all got their different function and terms ,
Most importantly is you understand each of it in details and choose those that suits you the most. thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by ping325: Jul 28 2021, 12:44 PM
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post Jul 28 2021, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 28 2021, 11:11 AM)
just asking for knowledge....on this item 3,.....will interest rate be charged for that withdrawal? if YES, what is the rate pa?
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hi MUM , this is my own policy , i did a partial withdrawal few years back due to emergency.
Same goes with current covid , many people are withdrawing their ILP cash for emergency use.

hope this answer your doubt.....

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This post has been edited by ping325: Jul 28 2021, 01:22 PM
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post Jul 28 2021, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(chiayi91 @ Jul 28 2021, 12:13 PM)
What are the fixed interest deposits you mentioned? so far I see FD highest also 2.5% only.
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it's not Fixed Deposit that I was referring to. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to promote it here.

QUOTE(ping325 @ Jul 28 2021, 12:38 PM)
hi chiayi , maybe put it this way / in lay man terms

FD
you set an amount like RM5000 and FD term for 1 year
1.during this one year you can still withdraw 5000 out in case of emergency but all interest gone
2.keep this money for 1 year and you get the interest + your initial 5000 capital

Life insurance savings plan [ regardless of insurance company ]
1. you set an amount to save every month...for example RM50
2. you set a term that you need to commit .... normally 20-30 years , you need to commit with the duration terms at first
3. as long as you continue to save , you can get guaranteed / non guaranteed bonus or interest [whatever that insurance company written in black & white]
Difference here is :
1. if we are diagnose with CI / disabled , savings plan still go on and born by insurance company
*subject to different insurance company terms & condition on covered waiver
2. you can get bonus / interest in between where you can partially withdraw or just keep inside the saving account ,
normally principle money is locked until end of contract only can take out.
3. most of the cases , after you commit the savings plan and in between if you want to withdraw principle money is not allow,
if you fail to save / surrender halfway, your principle $$ / portion of it will gone depend on insurer T&C written.

Same goes with EPF , PRS , SSPN and so on ... all got their different function and terms ,
Most importantly is you understand each of it in details and choose those that suits you the most. thumbup.gif
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innocent.gif why not paint the full picture on Pru's saving plan and not just the good part?

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1. if we are diagnose with CI / disabled , savings plan still go on and born by insurance company

- Would you rather have an insurance payout or continue to "save" money while you're in a condition that needs you to utilize money for treatment?

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2. you can get bonus / interest in between where you can partially withdraw or just keep inside the saving account ,
normally principle money is locked until end of contract only can take out.

- Sounds pretty nice by the description till you show them

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Same goes with EPF , PRS , SSPN and so on ... all got their different function and terms

All these above you've mentioned are retirement funds which are locked away till you're Age 50 - 55. It's not as accessible compared to a Saving Plan where you allow a person to make withdrawal / loan which defeats the purpose of saving for retirement. Moreover, a chunk of money is paid upfront to the agent's commission which affects the long term return of the policy holder.
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post Jul 28 2021, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 28 2021, 01:05 PM)
it's not Fixed Deposit that I was referring to. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to promote it here.
innocent.gif why not paint the full picture on Pru's saving plan and not just the good part?
- Would you rather have an insurance payout or continue to "save" money while you're in a condition that needs you to utilize money for treatment?
- Sounds pretty nice by the description till you show them

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All these above you've mentioned are retirement funds which are locked away till you're Age 50 - 55. It's not as accessible compared to a Saving Plan where you allow a person to make withdrawal / loan which defeats the purpose of saving for retirement. Moreover, a chunk of money is paid upfront to the agent's commission which affects the long term return of the policy holder.
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Thanks for highlighting.... yes indeed it is true
The Bad Part : cry.gif
1. [lumpsum insurance payout] vs [continue to save & beneficiary only can get the money until contract end]
2. the rates for guaranteed bonus / interest are still consider quite low compare to EPF
3. long commitment

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QUOTE(TaiGoh @ Jul 17 2021, 07:27 PM)
Thanks lifebalance for the quick reply!
Looks like Allianz more suitable for me although Prudential COI looks lower.

May I know for Allianz, if I receive medical treatment in Singapore, will it limited to charges that equivalent local treatment in Malaysia? And whether it is pay and reimburse or it will be cashless as well?

Also, can we choose to invest GLOBAL ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE FUND or ALL CHINA EQUITY FUND?
Thanks again!
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I also did a comparison of PRUmillionMed and Allianz Medisafe Infinite with deductible last month. In the end I chose Allianz because terms seem more favourable imo. Eg longer pre & post hospitalisation coverage, include genomic testing, etc. There is also a “no claims refund” to cash value which i find it useful if you are generally healthy. Especially when you are older next time, the cash refund (based on coi) will be greater if assume no claims. These were the plus points that made me decide AZ over Pru. Personally, i feel my agent is quite good. Can intro to you if you want. Hope it helps.

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