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post Sep 11 2023, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 11 2023, 03:34 PM)
But I read in the net, ....

They said investors should be wary of discussions in social media chatrooms that may trigger securities breaches such as the provisions on investment advice or stock recommendations without a licence.

Any person found guilty may be liable to a penalty of up to 10 million ringgit or imprisonment not exceeding ten years or both, they said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/malaysia-st...s-idUSL1N2K41CK
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With the rise of financial influencers, I believe regulators are coming out with a set of guidelines on this matter.

Let's wait and see.

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post Sep 11 2023, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 11 2023, 03:34 PM)
But I read in the net, ....

They said investors should be wary of discussions in social media chatrooms that may trigger securities breaches such as the provisions on investment advice or stock recommendations without a licence.

Any person found guilty may be liable to a penalty of up to 10 million ringgit or imprisonment not exceeding ten years or both, they said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/malaysia-st...s-idUSL1N2K41CK
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Nowadays, got a lot of wannabes experts who wish to claim they are experts or gurus without getting proper license. You can see it rampant over social media, YouTube and Forums like Lowyat.

Thereafter they put disclaimer saying they are not agents, they are not brokers, they are not doctors, they are not lawyers but still go ahead and gave advise or indirectly trying to sell their stuff.

Just be more aware and check if the person you're talking to is a qualified person before you get scammed like those Macau Scam / Love Scam

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post Sep 11 2023, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(zigot14 @ Sep 3 2023, 12:35 AM)
wow didn't know there is a waiting period 2-3 years. is this for medical insurance also or life insurance?

thanks for flagging gathercare. just looked it up and quite interesting alternative.
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it's called incontestable period or something. long story short, it's not a waiting period. if you buy something and claim within the 1st or 2nd year, it does seem suspicious from the perspective of the insurance company. they just want to make sure customer not being not honest.

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i would got for up to age 80 at least. minimum 70. after 70, the price is quite jaw dropping, but most likely i will still be alive, so i rather get the coverage.
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post Sep 11 2023, 11:21 PM

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AIA Flex PA does it cover death due to Covid?

I see the policy wording mentioned SARS and MERS-CoV but did not mention Covid.
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post Sep 11 2023, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Sep 11 2023, 11:21 PM)
AIA Flex PA does it cover death due to Covid?

I see the policy wording mentioned SARS and MERS-CoV but did not mention Covid.
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In the brochure, covid not in the list of 23 disease that they cover.

Keep in mind it's a PA policy. Means they cover accident only. Infectious disease is not an accident. It just that they happen to offer some benefits that cover some infectious disease.
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post Sep 12 2023, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 11 2023, 11:54 PM)
In the brochure, covid not in the list of 23 disease that they cover.

Keep in mind it's a PA policy. Means they cover accident only. Infectious disease is not an accident. It just that they happen to offer some benefits that cover some infectious disease.
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Yea im aware its accident only.

Just wonder for policies that covers Covid does it mention specifically CoV-19 in the covered list?

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post Sep 12 2023, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Sep 12 2023, 12:02 AM)
Yea im aware its accident only.

Just wonder for policies that covers Covid does it mention specifically CoV-19 in the covered list?
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Depends. No hard and fast rule.

The thing about covid is, it's infectious disease. The more technical term is communicable diseases.

If the medical related policies dont exclude, usually it means they cover. Other non medical related policies then no, because it already says it covers

It's like how i go through credit card t&c. If the bank didnt say certain things is excluded, then i should expect points or cashback to be given.

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Great Eastern Life Insurance.

Which is the best & convenient method to surrender?

I called their customer service line, keep listening to music.

Anyone has experience of surrendering GE pls help?
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Sep 13 2023, 05:49 PM)
Great Eastern Life Insurance.

Which is the best & convenient method to surrender?

I called their customer service line, keep listening to music.

Anyone has experience of surrendering GE pls help?
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Call your agent should be fastest way.

Or livechat/email
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post Sep 13 2023, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Sep 13 2023, 05:49 PM)
Great Eastern Life Insurance.

Which is the best & convenient method to surrender?

I called their customer service line, keep listening to music.

Anyone has experience of surrendering GE pls help?
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Walk in to their office
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post Sep 14 2023, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Sep 13 2023, 05:49 PM)
Great Eastern Life Insurance.

Which is the best & convenient method to surrender?

I called their customer service line, keep listening to music.

Anyone has experience of surrendering GE pls help?
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Hi chinkw1, there are 3 ways:
1. servicing agent to do it.
2. do it via e-partner (customer portal)
3. walk-in to Great Eastern customer service (not sure if they have this option to do virtual call customer servicing instead of walk-in)

don't forget to make appointment with their customer service here before you go.

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post Sep 14 2023, 11:39 PM

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Which insurance company is famous for medical card/insurance now?

Outpatient, hospitalisation, surgery...

Heard AIA, Manulife, Prudential quite good.

Comments pls.
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post Sep 15 2023, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Sep 14 2023, 11:39 PM)
Which insurance company is famous for medical card/insurance now?

Outpatient, hospitalisation, surgery...

Heard AIA, Manulife, Prudential quite good.

Comments pls.
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many bias here in forum. biggrin.gif

if u really want to know the real hard data, can call up the private hospital emergency department and ask. which one they always handle. tongue.gif
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post Sep 15 2023, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Sep 14 2023, 11:39 PM)
Which insurance company is famous for medical card/insurance now?

Outpatient, hospitalisation, surgery...

Heard AIA, Manulife, Prudential quite good.

Comments pls.
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Here's my post on it.
QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 4 2023, 06:46 PM)
All medical insurance will increase with age. Whether you get at 30 0r 35, you will pay higher premium. Eg. At if you get at age 30, you pay RM1000, 1200, 1300, 1400, 1500, 1600. If you get at 35, you pay RM1600 you don't pay the other premium cause you got them at 35.

There is no such thing as no need to pay premium unless it's some savings plan where you pay for 5-10 years and then no need to pay. Yes such plan exist. Don't get tempted by 6m coverage. Why? You pay for it in terms of higher premium. Choose the coverage you think is just nice.

Are you ready for the following from GE when you want to claim?
1. Saw in the news they denied someone with cancer stage 4 just because the person did not disclose anxiety
2. My friends in private hospitals tell me GE is one of insurance which ask lots of questions trying to delay your admission as much as possible. Don't get me wrong, they do payout and give GL but they try to ask lots of questions to have reason to decline your admission Vs other insurance company.

If yes by all means, go ahead. I was with GE. When I heard about the 2 stuff, I exercise my cooling period and get full refund from GE. I am not taking my chance with GE with that kind of reputation. I don't need agent sweet talk. I need real life experience.

If you do your research, people here complain GE increase premium every 2-3 years even though it's ILP.

Deartime is designed for B40. If you are ok with RM100K+ coverage by all means go ahead. If they up their coverage would be good. Otherwise, I will just avoid as I want min RM1m coverage. Gathercare is the cheapest of them all as there is no increase in premium and no agent. It's good as backup but not sure if it's suitable as main insurance. Medisavers is the cheapest standalone medical insurance (for coverage until 80 years old)

When you buy insurance you want to ask yourself the following questions
1. Do you want standalone or ILP?
2. What are the pros and cons of ILP and standalone?
3. What coverage do you want?
4. Do not listen to agents or friends who are agents as they are only after your money. Do your own research. Agents will always want you to buy the highest coverage cause they get higher commission from that. There's no free lunch insurance.
5. How long do you want to cover?
6. How much deductible you want? The higher the deductible, the cheaper the premium and vice versa.
7. Does the company have issue paying a claim or issue GL? Pay attention to insurance company reputation. that will be there to cover you when you need it and not aks tonnes of question to try denying you the GL or claim

If you are looking for standalone medical insurance ,there are 4 with RM1m+ coversg
1. Aia mediflex with rider
2. GE Great medic shield with rider
3. Generali smartcare optimum plus can be bough via fi.life
4. Medisavers the cheapest of them all if you want to take until 80 years old (in terms of total premium paid until 80 years old)

I am not an agent, just someone who did 6 months on research on medical insurance to buy for myself.
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Hope the above help. I wrote some more few pages back. I am not an ILP advocate hence if people ask me, I will always say go standalone. ILP have lots of unwanted baggage.

There's no standalone for prudential. I heard there is Islamic standalone for prudential BSN, but not so sure.

Keep in mind most insurance don't cover outpatient treatment. So if you want to use the insurance get yourself admitted devil.gif unless your company covers outpatient insurance. They do cover for outpatient followup from 60-180 days depending on plan (means get admitted and subsequent followup up to the limit of days are covered). After that not covered anymore.

There is only one outpatient insurance in Malaysia.
https://www.generali.com.my/medical-health/...medi-outpatient
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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Sep 14 2023, 11:39 PM)
Which insurance company is famous for medical card/insurance now?

Outpatient, hospitalisation, surgery...

Heard AIA, Manulife, Prudential quite good.

Comments pls.
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Each have their own unique benefits. Pick the ones that you think you need when it comes to claims.

Otherwise, they are all good. Otherwise, you won't see them in business for long.

The comparison is quite long. It'll also depend on what kind of protection you are looking at and how much you're willing to spend.
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post Sep 15 2023, 09:24 AM

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Quick illsutration :-

Age 65, planning to buy medical cards for whatsoever reason.

2 plans, same coverage RM 500k annual limit Unlimited lifetime except Plan A no life insurance portion, Plan B RM 100k life insurance, Sustainable duration is Age 80 (means the policy end on age 80 right?)

Premium RM 6xx per month for Plan A, RM 9xx for Plan B.

Can anyone analyse on :-

1) This is ILP or standalone?
2) is there any differences if taking ILP or standalone plan? I previously heard standalone life insurance covers untill age 70 or 80 only, but with ILP can cover longer untill example 90 yo.
3) differences RM 3xx per month premium worth it or not for additional RM 100k life insurance?

My own analysis :-

1) should be ILP, so maybe will ask standalone price
2) NOt sure
3)not worth it, due to 15 years policy only and the additional RM 300 per month x 12 x 15 = RM 54k already. Arguable that there will be cash value during end of tenure but not sure whether it'll worth RM 54k or not. Only benefit is if anything happened during the 15 years, then the RM100k serve it purposes.
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post Sep 15 2023, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Sep 15 2023, 09:24 AM)
Quick illsutration :-

Age 65, planning to buy medical cards for whatsoever reason.

2 plans, same coverage RM 500k annual limit Unlimited lifetime except Plan A no life insurance portion, Plan B RM 100k life insurance, Sustainable duration is Age 80 (means the policy end on age 80 right?)

Premium RM 6xx per month for Plan A, RM 9xx for Plan B.

Can anyone analyse on :-

1) This is ILP or standalone?
2) is there any differences if taking ILP or standalone plan? I previously heard standalone life insurance covers untill age 70 or 80 only, but with ILP can cover longer untill example 90 yo.
3) differences RM 3xx per month premium worth it or not for additional RM 100k life insurance?

My own analysis :-

1) should be ILP, so maybe will ask standalone price
2) NOt sure
3)not worth it, due to 15 years policy only and the additional RM 300 per month x 12 x 15 = RM 54k already. Arguable that there will be cash value during end of tenure but not sure whether it'll worth RM 54k or not. Only benefit is if anything happened during the 15 years, then the RM100k serve it purposes.
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The real question is,
1. Are you trying to give insurance advise to a 3rd party or by copy pasting our replies here to answer the 3rd party?

2. Are you an insurance agent?

It's not advisable to give out insurance advise if you are not an insurance agent. Instead, get this person to contact a licensed agent instead to get proper advice as your question above is speculative and general without proper context.

Whether it's "worth it" or not is always depending on the purpose of the insurance.
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post Sep 15 2023, 10:12 AM

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post Sep 15 2023, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Sep 15 2023, 09:43 AM)
The real question is,
1. Are you trying to give insurance advise to a 3rd party or by copy pasting our replies here to answer the 3rd party?

2. Are you an insurance agent?

It's not advisable to give out insurance advise if you are not an insurance agent. Instead, get this person to contact a licensed agent instead to get proper advice as your question above is speculative and general without proper context.

Whether it's "worth it" or not is always depending on the purpose of the insurance.
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1. Yes, that 3rd party is my parent.

2. no

its because i'm not insurance agent, thats why i try to get suggestion/advise from sifu here.

Like i always says, if i just contact the licensed agent and listen to his illustration & stories, then i wont come here to get suggestion.

My purpose is very simple. i just want to know normally, ppl will take plan A or plan B....because my parent doesnt have medical card now, so they've already decide to purchase, but asking whether want take Plan A or Plan B....my own suggestion like i mention in the post is take Plan A, and if the plans is ILP, is it possible to take standalone plan with cheaper premium (i'm aware the premium will increase gradually over the year). Because it doesnt make sense to take ILP at age 65, the funds dun have enough time to grow, sooner or later few years down the road the policy premium will increase for sure.

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Sep 15 2023, 09:24 AM)
Quick illsutration :-

Age 65, planning to buy medical cards for whatsoever reason.

2 plans, same coverage RM 500k annual limit Unlimited lifetime except Plan A no life insurance portion, Plan B RM 100k life insurance, Sustainable duration is Age 80 (means the policy end on age 80 right?)

Premium RM 6xx per month for Plan A, RM 9xx for Plan B.

Can anyone analyse on :-

1) This is ILP or standalone?
2) is there any differences if taking ILP or standalone plan? I previously heard standalone life insurance covers untill age 70 or 80 only, but with ILP can cover longer untill example 90 yo.
3) differences RM 3xx per month premium worth it or not for additional RM 100k life insurance?

My own analysis :-

1) should be ILP, so maybe will ask standalone price
2) NOt sure
3)not worth it, due to 15 years policy only and the additional RM 300 per month x 12 x 15 = RM 54k already. Arguable that there will be cash value during end of tenure but not sure whether it'll worth RM 54k or not. Only benefit is if anything happened during the 15 years, then the RM100k serve it purposes.
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1) This is ILP or standalone?
Bro... maybe this question is for the agent who sent the proposals to you?

2) is there any differences if taking ILP or standalone plan? I previously heard standalone life insurance covers untill age 70 or 80 only, but with ILP can cover longer untill example 90 yo.
I figured it would be easier for you to tell what you want, what your expectations are.

3) differences RM 3xx per month premium worth it or not for additional RM 100k life insurance?
At 65, the rates are about that level.
Worth it or not... it is so subjective.

RM 13 for mineral water... in many instances, I would rather stay thirsty.
But if I'm up on a mountain with my wife and my baby and all of us are thirsty, I'd get 2 of the same bottle for a start.
Back to your question: life insurance worth it or not... it's so subjective la bro.

And what other people usually buy... got anything to do with you or not?
What if I tell you other people usually buy without knowing anything about it, mau ikut?
If that's the case, why even check here? Just sign simply2 je lah

And your analysis...
Maybe just fork out more money for a higher sum assured, and a longer sustainability.
How high leh? Until it's worth it loh.
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