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Ramjade
post Sep 16 2023, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Sep 16 2023, 06:20 PM)
Bro... based off of hearsay and guessing...
Then even go to the extent of recommending someone else something that you yourself don't and won't buy...

It's a very weak endorsement at best.

It's akin to saying "eh, this place kari mee damn good man. But I haven't try"...
People can't help but to scratch head.
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I walk the talk. I have GE. After hearing so many bad things about GE, I straight exercise my cooling period. I trust my friends opinion Vs what agents tell me. Also I almost sign up with medisavers. What stop me was outpatient dialysis and chemo pay and claim. No GL for that. Very short outpatient follow up.

I am giving people options. Like I said some people just want the cheapest premium with high coverage. Up to them if they think medisavers is suitable for them or not. Up to them to do homework. I did my homework already. That's why I said you can ask me anything about standalone insurance, I have went though I think almost all companies in Malaysia selling medical insurance. Fwd, deartime, mcis, AIA, GE, Prudential Generali, medisavers, lonpac, Hong Leong, Manulife, allianz, Zurich, tokio marina, msig.

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post Sep 16 2023, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 16 2023, 06:51 PM)
I walk the talk. I have GE. After hearing so many bad things about GE, I straight exercise my cooling period. I trust my friends opinion Vs what agents tell me. Also I almost sign up with medisavers. What stop me was outpatient dialysis and chemo pay and claim. No GL for that. Very short outpatient follow up.

I am giving people options. Like I said some people just want the cheapest premium with high coverage. Up to them if they think medisavers is suitable for them or not. Up to them to do homework. I did my homework already. That's why I said you can ask me anything about standalone insurance, I have went though I think almost all companies in Malaysia selling standalone medical insurance. Fwd, deertime, mcis
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AIA...
razerS
post Sep 18 2023, 12:52 PM

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Hi All,

Me looking for Family Insurance.
Me , Wife, kid. Spouse foreign.

Is it better to take group or single insurance for all.

No idea about which policy and all.

If premium total under 400/mth, better.

Used AIA before and company Medicare.

So all suggestions, very helpful smile.gif
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post Sep 18 2023, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(razerS @ Sep 18 2023, 12:52 PM)
Hi All,

Me looking for Family Insurance.
Me , Wife, kid. Spouse foreign.

Is it better to take group or single insurance for all.

No idea about which policy and all.

If premium total under 400/mth, better.

Used AIA before and company Medicare.

So all suggestions, very helpful smile.gif
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You can take under a family plan or as individual policies that can suit your budget.

What is your wife's nationality?

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razerS
post Sep 18 2023, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Sep 18 2023, 01:03 PM)
You can take under a family plan or as individual policies that can suit your budget.

What is your wife's nationality?
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lifebalance
post Sep 18 2023, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(razerS @ Sep 18 2023, 01:06 PM)
India
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No issue with your wife's application in this case. I'd suggest you talk to financial advisors or insurance agents who can help you to suggest some plans that is within your specification and budget.
Ramjade
post Sep 18 2023, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(razerS @ Sep 18 2023, 12:52 PM)
Hi All,

Me looking for Family Insurance.
Me , Wife, kid. Spouse foreign.

Is it better to take group or single insurance for all.

No idea about which policy and all.

If premium total under 400/mth, better.

Used AIA before and company Medicare.

So all suggestions, very helpful smile.gif
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Ask your agent. Sometimes family plan have discount Vs individual. Also sometimes if you pay yearly you can have discount Vs paying monthly.

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JIUHWEI
post Sep 20 2023, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(razerS @ Sep 18 2023, 12:52 PM)
Hi All,

Me looking for Family Insurance.
Me , Wife, kid. Spouse foreign.

Is it better to take group or single insurance for all.

No idea about which policy and all.

If premium total under 400/mth, better.

Used AIA before and company Medicare.

So all suggestions, very helpful smile.gif
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How was your experience with AIA?

QuekZai
post Sep 20 2023, 09:31 PM

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Hi all,

I am looking for a personal medical insurance. Currently, my GE insurance is advising me to increase my premium again. Even though it is an ILP insurance, IIRC, this is the second times they increase the premium since I bought it 6 years ago. I am currently 30. The premium is RM430 per month.

I would like to shortlist some decent companies that I should look at. Can you help me on this?

Thank you in advance.
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post Sep 20 2023, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(QuekZai @ Sep 20 2023, 09:31 PM)
Hi all,

I am looking for a personal medical insurance. Currently, my GE insurance is advising me to increase my premium again. Even though it is an ILP insurance, IIRC, this is the second times they increase the premium since I bought it 6 years ago. I am currently 30. The premium is RM430 per month.

I would like to shortlist some decent companies that I should look at. Can you help me on this?

Thank you in advance.
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May I kay poh abit....
What is your priority in that short list?
No premium increases in the ILP of the medical insurance?

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post Sep 20 2023, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 20 2023, 09:38 PM)
May I kay poh abit....
What is your priority in that short list?
No premium increases in the ILP of the medical insurance?
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I prefer the medical insurance to be no fuss and just be there when I need the claim.

To be honest, the hike of RM50-60 monthly every time I get notified is quite hefty for me.

They mentioned about the inflation of medical cost. I can understand that, but I do not have a good baseline to compare, so I would like to explore outside whether it is the same elsewhere.
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QUOTE(QuekZai @ Sep 20 2023, 09:31 PM)
Hi all,

I am looking for a personal medical insurance. Currently, my GE insurance is advising me to increase my premium again. Even though it is an ILP insurance, IIRC, this is the second times they increase the premium since I bought it 6 years ago. I am currently 30. The premium is RM430 per month.

I would like to shortlist some decent companies that I should look at. Can you help me on this?

Thank you in advance.
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There are other companies such as AIA, Prudential, Allianz, HLA & etc.
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post Sep 21 2023, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(QuekZai @ Sep 20 2023, 09:31 PM)
Hi all,

I am looking for a personal medical insurance. Currently, my GE insurance is advising me to increase my premium again. Even though it is an ILP insurance, IIRC, this is the second times they increase the premium since I bought it 6 years ago. I am currently 30. The premium is RM430 per month.

I would like to shortlist some decent companies that I should look at. Can you help me on this?

Thank you in advance.
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Hi, I wrote about ILP vs standalone in a few pages ago. If you are rajin can go and search what I wrote. Few things you need to take note about going for new standalone insurance:
1. Everytime you buy new insurance there is a waiting period of at least 2 years on the new insurance where you won't be covered for certain illness such as (stones, high blood pressure, diabetes, heart attack, slipped disc). Keep in mind you will be stilled covered for accident, dengue, viral fever
2. If you have current illness like (stones, high blood pressure, diabetes, heart attack, slipped disc) your new insurance won't cover your illness or the complications. If you are still healthy, by all means go ahead
3. If you surrender your ILP, don't expect to get back 100% of your premium yo.
4. When you buy new insurance, your new agent or old agent (depending on who you get it from) get paid for at least 7 years.
5. If you are going standalone, keep in mind you are losing the following benefits premium holiday, waiver flexibility to change plan as and when desire
6. Premium increase yearly according to table usually but there are exceptions (spoken to 2-3 agent from AIA and GE) unlike ILP. But not necessarily won't have shocked increase unlike ILP. So basically you know how much you will be paying. It will come a time when premium can go as high as RM15k-20k/year (when you are 70-100 years old)

Most important to note are 1. and 2.

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Additional info
the insurance mentioned above all have RM1m+ coverage (enough to last you until you are 80+ years old, no loading of extra cost if diagnosed with xyz disease, guaranteed renewal)
If you want the cheapest insurance for RM1m+ coverage: Gathercare
It is a crowd sharing platform, not exactly a pure insurance where the premium is around RM400+/year without yearly increase. Yes you read correctly. RM400+/year, How safe are them? I will say pretty safe based off the published claim. They published their claims monthly.

If you are looking for looking for say coverage of around RM100-150k, can consider the following
FWD, Deartime, Generali emedic, Manulife, Allianz, AIA, GE,

I believed FWD, Deartime and Generali emedic are cheap vs the others (maybe wrong though, kindly do your own calculations)

Hope my post helps you.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Sep 21 2023, 05:10 PM
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post Sep 21 2023, 08:30 AM

 
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QUOTE(QuekZai @ Sep 20 2023, 09:31 PM)
Hi all,

I am looking for a personal medical insurance. Currently, my GE insurance is advising me to increase my premium again. Even though it is an ILP insurance, IIRC, this is the second times they increase the premium since I bought it 6 years ago. I am currently 30. The premium is RM430 per month.

I would like to shortlist some decent companies that I should look at. Can you help me on this?

Thank you in advance.
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Wow 30 y/o but premium rm430? Perhaps you could consider to review and reduce your coverage.
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post Sep 21 2023, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Sep 21 2023, 08:30 AM)
Wow 30 y/o but premium rm430? Perhaps you could consider to review and reduce your coverage.
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Normal for ILP. The ILP I designed all medical only to sustain me until 80 years old cost me RM3000-3600/year. He must have included in extra or unintentionally included extra cause agent said oh this is good. Add.

My ILP was fully medical and nothing else. I minimise everything and still that premium. I was forget it. Let's go the standalone route.

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I also realised that, medical insurance/card usually DOES NOT cover outpatient specialist visits ?

Its normal correct?
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post Sep 21 2023, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Sep 21 2023, 02:43 PM)
I also realised that, medical insurance/card usually DOES NOT cover outpatient specialist visits ?

Its normal correct?
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Yes. Sadly that is the normal. That is why to "use" your insurance, usually need admission even though actually no need admission. So just admit since the insurance company doesnt want to pay for cheaper outpatient, and they want to pay more for admission let the insurance company pay more for admission. Follow their rules biggrin.gif They only cover outpatient for accident cases or dengue. Usually. Outpatient dialysis and chemo will also be covered.
Now AIA mediflex start covering for outpatient influenza too which is nice. But old policy still dengue and accident only.

However if you got company insurance, some company insurance cover outpatient.

There is only one insurance company in Malaysia that offer outpatient coverage. That is by Generali.
Generali SmartMedi Outpatient

For me personally if I were the insurance company, I would offer outpatient coverage to reduced paying more for inpatient coverage. Lol.

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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Sep 21 2023, 02:43 PM)
I also realised that, medical insurance/card usually DOES NOT cover outpatient specialist visits ?

Its normal correct?
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If you are visiting the specialist without any hospitalization required then no unless it's specified tlthat you can claim within your benefit.

The other option is to get outpatient plan which is a separate plan that you have to pay such as Generali outpatient plan.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 21 2023, 02:51 PM)
Yes. Sadly that is the normal. That is why to "use" your insurance, usually need admission even though actually no need admission. So just admit since the insurance company doesnt want to pay for cheaper outpatient, and they want to pay more for admission let the insurance company pay more for admission. Follow their rules biggrin.gif They only cover outpatient for accident cases or dengue. Usually. Outpatient dialysis and chemo will also be covered.
Now AIA mediflex start covering for outpatient influenza too which is nice. But old policy still dengue and accident only.

However if you got company insurance, some company insurance cover outpatient.

There is only one insurance company in Malaysia that offer outpatient coverage. That is by Generali.
Generali SmartMedi Outpatient

For me personally if I were the insurance company, I would offer outpatient coverage to reduced paying more for inpatient coverage. Lol.
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OIC, thats why, if need to do expensive tests such as MRI, ppl just admit 1 day (in actual fact it does not need admission) .??smile.gif


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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Sep 21 2023, 03:33 PM)
OIC, thats why, if need to do expensive tests such as MRI, ppl just admit 1 day (in actual fact it does not need admission) .??smile.gif
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Yeah. Play by their rules. If insurance only cover you if you admit, then just admit lo. That's how people abuse insurance actually and then everyone cost goes up all because they don't want to cover outpatient treatment.

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