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Ramjade
post Nov 30 2022, 11:14 AM

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I am looking for medical card only without any ILP.. Requirements
1. Unlimited lifetime limit
2. Annual limit of RM500k-RM1m
3. Able to cover cost of single room i.e RM250-300
4. Able to buy online without any agent

I am open to AIA, Allianz, AXA, etiqa.
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post Nov 30 2022, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Nov 30 2022, 01:44 PM)
Why specifically item 4?

Got agent to help with things, no good meh?
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Cause I don't need agent for hospitalisation as everything is fill up by hospital. Also why should I fatten insurance agent pocket and give them free holiday?
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post Nov 30 2022, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(denion @ Nov 30 2022, 05:26 PM)
hi Ramjade, so far online products don't offer ILP. im not sure about AIA Allianz and Etiqa, but you can easily get AXA online medical card from their website wink.gif
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Thank you for the reply. Finally a good reply. Thanks.
Ramjade
post Nov 30 2022, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Nov 30 2022, 09:50 PM)
Hmm... I believe there are some rather unfortunate prior experience you had.

Yes, you're not the first person who thinks like that, and you won't be the last.
But then right, banyak banyak people that thinks this way, yet so many insurance agents like myself are making a good career out of it. How come?
So many people in the world so gullible meh? Cannot be mah, right?

Yes, it is true, the hospital staff fills up all the forms, which is not what I am paid to do, and neither should you expect that from insurance agents like myself and many of my colleagues here.

To put in perspective, the products available via direct access are very stripped down, very basic products.
More sophisticated products like ILP and many other traditional policies are only made available through distribution channels like myself is with good reason.
So we won't have young adults buying savings plans to pay for their wedding within the next 10 years.

The element of time is paramount in all of our plans.
No matter what plan you buy, and how you pay, you will be paying either way.
Even if you don't buy, you will have bought too.
Either we opt to have a low upfront fee, or to save money in the long term, people like me can only show you what the long term commitments look like.
And if we can get you want you want in the way you want it, why would any of us do anything other than exactly that?

The whole economy is already pushing for sustainability.
That is making sure our customers do well, hence we do well.
Yea, totally not expecting to change your perspective with this long winded post la.  biggrin.gif
But whoever gets it, gets it loh.  :thumbsup:
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Cause
1. People too lazy
2. Not everyone knows what insurance to buy
Hence good job for you guys until someone come in and disrupt say 10 years later. Not in the near future.

Tell that to all insurance agent. All only want to fatten their own pockets by selling nvestment plan/savings plan. Sorry I rather go online than be scam by insurance agent.

I don't need an agent as I can do everything myself online. I don't intend to give free money to middleman. You want my money, you have to work for it. No free lunch from me.

Tell me why would I want an agent when all I need is just a medical card that I once I sign and pay, likely the agent will vanish and I will never hear from him or her again.

I only trust people who are paid fixed salary and does not get commission for each product they sell.

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post Nov 30 2022, 11:23 PM

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That's why I ask in this forum. A forum is for people to share info. I DIY and I help people to DIY without getting anything in return. It's call helping someone genuinely without any expectations/return. For those agent who don't want to help me for free be my guest and don't bother. I can just walk into banks/insurance office and buy from any of them. I rather give those people my money than those who don't want to help.

For those who want to help me for free, I may or may not consider buying from you depending on how much work you put in. Remember like I said I don't give free lunch. If I am impress, likely I will buy from you.

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post Dec 1 2022, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 1 2022, 12:01 AM)
hmm.gif  i thought you already mentioned in the beginning....

4. Able to buy online without any agent

Cause I don't need agent for hospitalisation as everything is fill up by hospital. Also why should I fatten insurance agent pocket and give them free holiday?

then why the sudden change of heart even if impressed?
what are the criteria target to be classified as having "impressed" you?
btw,...how hard should the potential agent "Impress" you so you can "Likely" will buy (not confirmed will buy)?

previously there was an article about this "Impressed"....

Sex and party for potential insurance clients
SOME insurance companies in Johor are recruiting female agents to have sex with potential customers, Guang Ming Daily re-ported.
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2010...surance-clients
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Cause not all insurance can buy online.
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post Dec 1 2022, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 1 2022, 12:40 AM)
So you did not realised that " not all insurance can buy online" before you posted this?

4. Able to buy online without any agent

Cause I don't need agent for hospitalisation as everything is fill up by hospital. Also why should I fatten insurance agent pocket and give them free holiday?
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Don't worry. I found my answer already. There are some insurance that you can buy yourself without agent. Just go to branch and fill up the form. No need to go thought agent.

Just need some Google and reading. I already found the insurance I am looking for thanks to blog of an IFP. Will go to their office and seek more answer.
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post Dec 1 2022, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(denion @ Nov 30 2022, 05:26 PM)
hi Ramjade, so far online products don't offer ILP. im not sure about AIA Allianz and Etiqa, but you can easily get AXA online medical card from their website wink.gif
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QUOTE(ThooWeiKit @ Nov 30 2022, 08:47 PM)
Fi.Life (can google it)

- insured by AXA General Insurance and Tokio Marine
- up to 2.1 million annual limit
- up to 100 years old
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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 1 2022, 12:57 AM)
If you do that, (highlighted in blue) ...premium same price?

Like I read posting abt buying pm ut online, ..put on agent code or no put in agent code ...same price...
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This might be helpful for you guys
https://howtofinancemoney.com/best-medical-card-malaysia
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post Dec 1 2022, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Dec 1 2022, 07:07 AM)
When you decided to buy medical insurance, private hospitals and doctors are happy because they will go for their paid holiday soon.

The poor will also be happy because have one less Q in govt hospitals.

Either way, is a losing payment.
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End buyer is the losing person. sad.gif

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post Dec 1 2022, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Dec 1 2022, 12:01 PM)
I don't think anybody "loses." 

We're just in an integrated economy that complements one another.  thumbup.gif

It is just that it is human nature that we project ourselves onto others, hence we act accordingly to how we perceive we would act in the other person's shoes.

No harm no foul, I'm glad you engaged an IFP too.  :thumbsup:

*hint hint*
Some of us here are certified planners too.
Like you said, this is a forum to share ideas, maybe we keep it that way?
We are also doing what we can to contribute to this forum as best we can.  icon_idea.gif
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I don't need a financial planner to plan my financial journey. Been though 2 trial financial planner and come out not impress as I do a better job than them.
Ramjade
post Dec 1 2022, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 1 2022, 12:07 PM)
I doubted that could happens. He believes he knows more than IFP and thus why should he fatten IFP pocket and give them free holiday?
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TBH I rather go via IFP route than via agents that are incentivise to sell me stuff. That way there is no bias as they are not incentivise to sell me things.

But then again the 2 trial financial planner I went through couldn't impressed me cause what they tell me I already know and I am already doing more than what they know or suggested. Can you imagine at this day and age asking people to buy unit trust when etf exist? Can you imagine not asking people to do simple stuff like keeping your money overseas? Nothing. They never mentioned about keeping your money overseas as hedge against RM.

Not to mentioned they try to make financial planning so complicated when in reality it's super easy, simple and straight to the point. I wasn't impress at all. I gave them the chance, kept quiet and listen to see what they have to offer and pretend I didn't know anything.

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post Dec 1 2022, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Dec 1 2022, 05:50 PM)
I believe that was the most suitable advise they could give to you, with the limited information that you chose to disclose to them.
The advise given also takes into account your risk profile vs your objectives with consideration for the feasibility and resources available.
Maybe the ideas you have in mind is not a good fit for your current situation, at least not yet.

I could ask you the same things,
can you believe at this day and age unit trusts still exist when etfs are around?
Can you believe someone asking people to buy foreign currencies with MYR when MYR is at its historical low?
In a way, they shielded you from potential risks (perhaps much more than what they think you can stomach) but yet, you're not impressed because they didn't say what you already have in mind.

Why didn't you execute what you had in mind then?
Needing to borrow some friction from a stranger?
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I didn't disclose anything. It was a company talk where all these financial planners were showing us why you need a financial planner in your life. I just listen to see how are they going to convince me to use a financial planning service.

Yes. I cannot believe it as so many lousy unit trust still exist in Malaysia which is a waste of money.
Yes I will buy continue buying foreign currency even if MYR is at its low. Why? Long term 10 years my future self will thank me for what I did even buying foreign currency when RM is at its low.
Keep in mind this was when USD1.00 was around 4.2 ish.

QUOTE(lifebalance @ Dec 1 2022, 06:14 PM)
Funny, you over complicated a simple thing 1 day ago, contradicting whatever you've said thus far, now turns back that going to a financial planner is better. Make up your mind.
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Like I said, I support IFP > insurance agent who are incentivise to sell things whose views are/maybe bias

I still don't believe in using an agent. Especially an agent who eat free lunch. For now no one have given me argument about why you need a agent to buy insurance.
What support can they give to justify me giving them the sales?

At least he as an IFP have the generousity to share his research out openly which I appreciate and make my life easier.

And no to this date I don't use any financial planner, or any agent and I am able to cover all my monthly expenses with no issue even if I have no job. All from DIY and not dependent on unit trust at all.

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post Dec 11 2022, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(Aghi @ Dec 11 2022, 04:09 PM)
1. Gathercare, cost sharing platform. Annual limit 1 million and renewable until 100yo.
    Can save alot for long term, can share your opinion on this

2. Critical illness - AXA cover 50 critical illness. I think the most comprehensive for online product.

3. Life - FWD or any other. Just google n compare

4. ILP insurance but pay less to agent - Buy through FSMONE Insurance. Got HLB, manulife, tokio, prudential and so on.
                                                          Last i check you also get back 30% of agent commission.

Can know the insurance that you found, might be helpful for me too since for sure you had done your research before choosing it.
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I think I will go for allianz, AIA, or AXA. See which offer the cheapest premium.
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post Dec 15 2022, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(johnc3 @ Dec 14 2022, 10:04 PM)
16 years ago buy greatlife education insurance for my son for yearly premium of RM2150 and this month mutual get back only RM36218. Total contribution for this 16 years RM34400. The return is less  then 0.6%, is it normal?
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Want to know why? Around 40% of what you pay them goes to commission for I think 3 years. How is the fund going to make money if you already lose 40% upfront?

Second reason, money is invested into unti trust and majority of unit trust in Malaysia sucks big time in terms of return on investment. biggrin.gif (worse than FD). There are only few funds which are good (countable with fingers). And if they invest in bond funds even worse.

That's why I do all my investment on my own. Never depend on agent or any BS financial planner. Never ask a barber if you need a haircut.

Now you know. Painful lesson but yeah still a lesson.
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post Dec 26 2022, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(monocat @ Dec 26 2022, 11:27 AM)
Hi Sifus

i need some advice.
Thinking to upgrade my insurance coverage, especially death, TPD and CI
here is my existing plan
>Medical
>>Annual Limit: RM 3,000,000
>>Lifetime Limit: No Limits
>death 400k,
>TPD 400k,
>CI 500K
pay about RM1k monthly , combination of PRU and GE

39 years old, non smoker, single

My question is
>total 500K for CI is enough next 30 years?
>when im in CI, medical card is still working?
>when i'm in critical illness , TPD is claimable due other reason?
>is there any plan mainly for CI and TPD? expensive? single payout or multiple payout better?
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There medical card that once diagnose with critical illness, it's still functioning and you dont need to pay for it. AIA and allianz have it for additional like RM10/month? Ask your agent.
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post Jan 3 2023, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jan 3 2023, 09:19 PM)
hi, any GE professional planner here?

my gf mom help her buy 2 policy but dont know what for. yes you rea it rite and now seems unable to trace.

any way to rectify this? only know the policy is under my gf name. what i need is the policy coverage oni. the rest will come later
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Call GE customer service and talk to the customer service. Same thing happen to my mother. Bought donkey years ago, don't know buy and pay for what. Call customer service and ask and got the answer.
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post Jan 5 2023, 01:25 AM

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I am surveying between allianz and AIA for medical insurance.

My AIA agent came up with the cheapest ILP Medical plan she can do for me at RM225/month with RM1.5m annual coverage. I remove a-plus saver rider from the plan.

My question is is it worth adding the a-plus saver rider or better to just do without it?

TQ.
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post Jan 5 2023, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Jan 5 2023, 06:52 AM)
Answer: It depends. Personally and professionally, I’ve never added that rider or it’s equivalent into any of my policies.

If you are a competent and discipline with your own finances, remove it. Top up the cash value in the future as and when required. Do note that the A-Plus Saver Rider and its equivalent for other life insurance company comes with a 5% sales charge. You can see in the sales illustration that the allocation is only 95%.

Personally I always present 3 options for a client so I’d recommend that you add in Prudential to your comparison, as it is quite similar to AIA in terms of the medical coverage but perhaps you’d see an interesting contrast in premium.

With the recent episode with Covid-19, do note that Allianz medical card has an exclusion for “Any communicable diseases requiring quarantine by law”

Best,
Jiansheng
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She remove the a-plus saver rider. The premium is cheaper for prudential?
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post Jan 5 2023, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jan 5 2023, 12:09 PM)
A-Plus Saver as mentioned is an investment portion top-up within the policy in order to sustain the policy.

Certain policies include this rider if your premium is not sustainable over the suggested period.

Is it worth it? Yes & No.

The investment portion is only 95% while you'll be deducted 5% every year as expenses and commission.

However, I do know how it will be in certain policies which I can see a huge advantage (You can say 95% of the insurance agent in the market will hilang kerja if I exploit it).

None the less, you can try to compare with other insurance company quotes to see the difference, don't just bang on your agent's word on "cheapest" "best" "affordable". As an advisor, I am required by my regulator to provide minimum 3 company quotation as a comparison so that my client can choose which is best for themself. Not me forcing them to pick which one that give me the highest commission smile.gif
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Hialng kerja if majority don't opt for a-plus saver?
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post Jan 5 2023, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Jan 5 2023, 06:52 AM)
Answer: It depends. Personally and professionally, I’ve never added that rider or it’s equivalent into any of my policies.

If you are a competent and discipline with your own finances, remove it. Top up the cash value in the future as and when required. Do note that the A-Plus Saver Rider and its equivalent for other life insurance company comes with a 5% sales charge. You can see in the sales illustration that the allocation is only 95%.

Personally I always present 3 options for a client so I’d recommend that you add in Prudential to your comparison, as it is quite similar to AIA in terms of the medical coverage but perhaps you’d see an interesting contrast in premium.

With the recent episode with Covid-19, do note that Allianz medical card has an exclusion for “Any communicable diseases requiring quarantine by law”

Best,
Jiansheng
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I don't need it as my savings rate are 70-80%. I just want to know what it brings to the insurance. How will it affect my medical plan with and without it.

QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jan 5 2023, 12:25 PM)
Haha, you got the wrong idea, doesn't work that way. But good luck trying to figure it out.

When I saw the report first time, I myself got shocked looking at such crazy good numbers.
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When is it worth it to apply and when is it not worth t to apply?

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